10 minutes ago, mojo said:

I guess - that's life

48 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Maybe. We don't know at this point. Could be Kai.

Oh and here is what Webb has told the Times:

"The PGMOL hasn't formally commented on why VAR also ignored Chelsea's calls for a late penalty at West Ham when Tomas Soucek handled the ball. But according to The Times, that decision is being described as 'subjective' whereas the acknowledged errors that hurt Arsenal and Brighton have been attributed to 'human error'."

So yeah they are fine with how the ref and VAR saw it, no error.

What is subjective about a defender staging a fall under no duress at all in order to handle the ball to stop a shot on target ? 

Webb needs to sort this out, we literally have 11 goalkeepers on each team now, all you need to do is fall in the path of the ball and use your hand/arm to stop the ball.

1 hour ago, coco said:

What is subjective about a defender staging a fall under no duress at all in order to handle the ball to stop a shot on target ? 

Webb needs to sort this out, we literally have 11 goalkeepers on each team now, all you need to do is fall in the path of the ball and use your hand/arm to stop the ball.

Is subjective based on the bias of the ref, and VaR, of that particular game. At Bridge in no way, shape or forum should the ref or VaR award a foul on Mendy and disallow west hams late equalizer. That time the bias of the refs favoured us, this time not.

10 hours ago, Droyman said:

I can't believe some of what I'm reading on here! He has had TWENTY ONE games FFS!  Give him at least a bloody season!!! What is it with (some) Chelsea supporters (and I use the term supporters lightly here!).  He hasn't even ONCE had the ability to pick his best team let alone the time to create something!!

 

Klopps first 18 games:

W 7

D 5

L 6

 

Arteta's first 18 games:-

W 8

D 6

L 4

 

Potter's first 17 games:-

W 7

D 4

L 6

 

You can bet your life both Liverpool and Arsenal supporters are now bloody glad their boards weren't as 'trigger happy' as (some) Chelsea supporters (and I use that term lightly) are!

21 games is quite a lot in my view. Managers get sacked faster than that. If we were really in danger of being relegated he probably would be sacked. And of course there are excuses and reasons. Winners just point to the scoreboard, losers explain why. Klopp had a track record in Germany, fergie in Scotland. The process was poor, the results so far are poor. The performances mostly suck. Other than h1 on Saturday the entertainment value sucks. Yet I will give him more time, mainly because there is a chance it’s better than it looks. Bad results against Dortmund will leave a bad taste. 

On 11/02/2023 at 13:29, Frankie8Lampard said:

Cucurella and Murdyk will never work imo, we need Chilwell back.

I could not believe how many times Cucurella literally "refused" or ignored the pass to Mudryk. He chose the sideways or backwards pass every time, perhaps he had been talking to Jorginho ??

1 hour ago, coombsie said:

I could not believe how many times Cucurella literally "refused" or ignored the pass to Mudryk. He chose the sideways or backwards pass every time, perhaps he had been talking to Jorginho ??

Jorginho is still in our own top 3 when it comes down to progressive passes, despite not even being our player anymore. Can't blame him forever for things that he didn't do.

2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Jorginho is still in our own top 3 when it comes down to progressive passes, despite not even being our player anymore. Can't blame him forever for things that he didn't do.

Out of interest who are the top two? Is progressive taking penalties and adding 5 assists in five years? I wish him well after his service for our club. 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Out of interest who are the top two? Is progressive taking penalties and adding 5 assists in five years? I wish him well after his service for our club. 

 

 

 

Thiago Silva and Mount. 

 

2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Thiago Silva and Mount. 

 

I would simply say, therein lies CFC's problems... Its an issue that also predates Potter... But you have to say the players are squarely to blame for our current situation... 

8 hours ago, coombsie said:

I could not believe how many times Cucurella literally "refused" or ignored the pass to Mudryk. He chose the sideways or backwards pass every time

He seemed really risk averse, like he knows he's not in good form and so wanted the ball as far away from him as possible so he was less likely to make a mistake.
I might be way off the mark of course, but I also felt like he was really tucked in close to Badiashile for their goal, almost like he didn't want to go out and close Coufal down for fear of being beaten.


Maybe I'm reading too much into that though

8 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Jorginho is still in our own top 3 when it comes down to progressive passes, despite not even being our player anymore. Can't blame him forever for things that he didn't do.

Sorry but I watched too many games at the Bridge where Jorginho passed back or sideways, rather than take a chance with a forward ball. I liked him as a player, but he just was never creative enough

1 hour ago, cfr95 said:

He seemed really risk averse, like he knows he's not in good form and so wanted the ball as far away from him as possible so he was less likely to make a mistake.
I might be way off the mark of course, but I also felt like he was really tucked in close to Badiashile for their goal, almost like he didn't want to go out and close Coufal down for fear of being beaten.


Maybe I'm reading too much into that though

You're absolutely right! It's why I said in another thread that he was playing like CB. Even our centre-backs were more progressive in their passing. He might be feeling the pressure from Chilwell returning so he his playing risk averse as you said which IMO isn't going to help him, he's more likely to be dropped.

Just seen the video of Chelsea fan getting decked on Saturday. I bet he’s regretting now!

15 hours ago, Richard P said:

Just seen the video of Chelsea fan getting decked on Saturday. I bet he’s regretting now!

It just came out that he is actually Wimbledon fan! Probably wanted 5 minutes of fame the way he went into that scrap!

On 13/02/2023 at 15:39, cfr95 said:

He seemed really risk averse, like he knows he's not in good form and so wanted the ball as far away from him as possible so he was less likely to make a mistake.
I might be way off the mark of course, but I also felt like he was really tucked in close to Badiashile for their goal, almost like he didn't want to go out and close Coufal down for fear of being beaten.


Maybe I'm reading too much into that though

He doesn't even jump to try and get a head on it. Even if he fails to make contact he probably still blocks off Bowens view for the Flick on.

On 12/02/2023 at 14:35, True Blue23 said:

Also neither Arsenal nor Pool were top 4 teams when they arrived. Our squad is significantly better than the ones Klopp amd Arteta had at their disposal, yet Potter is still doing worse.

We were NOT in the top 4 when he took over, and even IF we had a 'top 4' squad he has still yet to get it on the pitch.

2 hours ago, Droyman said:

We were NOT in the top 4 when he took over, and even IF we had a 'top 4' squad he has still yet to get it on the pitch.

We were 6 games in... and we had made the top 4 every year since the second Conte season.

And yes he had bad luck with injuries but his record so far is just abysmal. 

On 12/02/2023 at 21:43, Droyman said:

You need a season, Guardiola needed a season, Klopp needed a season, Arteta needed a season, the greatest manager of all time Alex Ferguson needed a season!  Ferguson was one game away from the sack in 1990:-

https://www.planetfootball.com/nostalgia/how-alex-ferguson-saved-himself-from-the-brink-of-the-sack-at-man-utd/

I remember people United supporters screaming for his head at the time!  I wonder how they felt about him 27 years later?

Alex Ferguson won the Champions League with Aberdeen beating then Real Madrid before joining United. 

We on the other hand sack a CL winning manager to get someone who coaches Brighton to midtable and Ostersunds to Europa League. 

Potter doesn't even belong in the same conversation as Alex Ferguson achievement-wise

I really don't understand this insistence with Arteta as if he's a good manager. The man is basically on the same level as Potter, he just lucked out in 1 transfer window and 1 cup win. Give me a break. 

I can also give you a different example, Conte won the league in his first season, so did Carlo and so did Jose. Why is it that you used other team's managers when our teams have had managers that didn't need preseasons or an 11 entirely suited to them to win the league or other titles?

Edited February 15, 20233 yr by Deino

7 minutes ago, Deino said:

Alex Ferguson won the Champions League with Aberdeen beating then Real Madrid before joining United. 

We on the other hand sack a CL winning manager to get someone who coaches Brighton to midtable and Ostersunds to Europa League. 

Potter doesn't even belong in the same conversation as Alex Ferguson achievement-wise

It was actually the Cup Winners Cup that they won, not ol' Big Ears, but they did back that up by winning the UEFA Super Cup the next season, beating the European Cup winners Hamburg 2-0.

Terrific achievement all the same - Doug Rougvie, who subsequently moved to us (1984-87), played in both matches.

 

4 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

It was actually the Cup Winners Cup that they won, not ol' Big Ears, but they did back that up by winning the UEFA Super Cup the next season, beating the European Cup winners Hamburg 2-0.

Terrific achievement all the same - Doug Rougvie, who subsequently moved to us (1984-87), played in both matches.

 

Iirc wasn't the Cup Winners Cup the equivalent of the CL at that time? 

1 hour ago, Deino said:

Iirc wasn't the Cup Winners Cup the equivalent of the CL at that time? 

No CWC was the second tear competition compared to the Champions league/European cup. Its where the domestic cup competitions winners went to, hence the name. The league winners went into the CL/European cup.

Edited February 15, 20233 yr by dkw

On 13/02/2023 at 08:09, Gol15 said:

Jorginho is still in our own top 3 when it comes down to progressive passes, despite not even being our player anymore. Can't blame him forever for things that he didn't do.

Anyone seen his stats since he joined the Arse ??? 😉

On 16/02/2023 at 07:16, coombsie said:

Anyone seen his stats since he joined the Arse ??? 😉

He had 15 progressive passes against Aston villa, not sure how many in total since he joined but this is higher than Enzo's 7 for us against the lowest team in the league.

https://fbref.com/en/matches/e50bfcf8/Aston-Villa-Arsenal-February-18-2023-Premier-League

 

12 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

He had 15 progressive passes against Aston villa, not sure how many in total since he joined but this is higher than Enzo's 7 for us against the lowest team in the league.

https://fbref.com/en/matches/e50bfcf8/Aston-Villa-Arsenal-February-18-2023-Premier-League

 

Enzo just arrived in the league, he's not the finished article yet, but early signs are good.

45 minutes ago, coco said:

Enzo just arrived in the league, he's not the finished article yet, but early signs are good.

Enzo is already a better player than Jorginho, I have no worries about him at all.