8 minutes ago, just said:

This is the man for the job. Let Sterling and the boys have some of this.

 

 

Wouldn't work here ... he only flagged up two "c**ts" in that team ... we've got a few more than that dialling it in LOL

Funny all the same.

His pressers annoy the f**k out of me, so non-chalant about everything going on. It looked like we were turning a corner a couple of games ago and now we've taken about five steps back. Halfway through the season and the team is back to where we were before Christmas. I still don't thin firing him now will make much of a difference, however, I'm reconsidering my stance on him seeing out his contract. Most annoying thing is that he doesn't know how to use our midfield three amongst his other tactical errors. If we are in the same position we are in at the end of the season or in a worse position, the board need to consider other options for next season. At this rate, however, I dont even think many would want the Chelsea job. Like United, it seeming like we are impossible to manage.

Edited February 4, 20242 yr by Frankie8Lampard

9 minutes ago, just said:

This is the man for the job. Let Sterling and the boys have some of this.

Proper pissed myself at the end there, what a legend!

So. 

sigh.

who have we got as possible managerial successors for Poch?

Jose is available. But he is a disaster managing younger players. Firm NO there.

Conte?

Frank Lampard again?

John Terry?

i am leaning to giving Poch until the end of the season - and that is mainly because of the lack of good managerial prospects out there.

Edited February 4, 20242 yr by TheCeleryKing

22 minutes ago, Andy2461 said:

Just watched his interview 

he’s mentally gone an absolutely empty vessel 

Feel a bit sorry for him really ... he said before the end of pre-season that he needed experienced players. The board didn't give him any. 

He then said he needed 3 for January, and they ignored him again.

Dead man walking ...  

I think people are forgetting alot of the sh*tshow last season both with Potter and when Lampard came in, was the boards doing by having 35 players in the squad, and from February 15-20 were told they were being sold in the summer, or had already asked to leave. This was confirmed by Lampard on the overlap podcast.

Pochettino does not have that excuse, he has a relatively small squad, he has been very unlucky with injuries, but he has still had the opportunity to coach a talented group of players, but the returns have been terrible. 

Defence needs work, as it cant play out, can't soak up pressure, can't dominate aerielly, doesnt offer anything from set pieces, just a real mish mash of players that dont compliment each other. 

Midfield I think we will be okay once the defence is in place.

Attack badly needs some experience and quality, we need a top striker, and we need another quality attacker to support Palmer, Nkunku, and said striker. 

Poch needs to go, really not good enough. 

Then they need to get the appointment right. I want someone with energy, preferably coming off the back of some actual success. 

I think we have 1 more chance left to get this right, or midtable and maybe even lower is on the horizon for the next 4/5 years.

 

Like I’ve been saying for the past few weeks, sack him.

He’s clueless. No way we are this sh*te. Looking at our squad I would say we are a top 8 team pushing for an European spot. We are nowhere near that at the moment.

He’s had long enough to show us a glimpse of what could come in the future. 

23 minutes ago, just said:

This is the man for the job. Let Sterling and the boys have some of this.

 

 

The problem is the players need to care to react to a coach like that. I can't remember the last time I saw a Chelsea team come out for the second half like they had just been given the hairdryer treatment. Players today are laughing and smiling on the pitch and training ground after getting stuffed by Wolves. That's the kind of mentality we have at the club now.

4 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Like I’ve been saying for the past few weeks, sack him.

He’s clueless. No way we are this sh*te. Looking at our squad I would say we are a top 8 team pushing for an European spot. We are nowhere near that at the moment.

He’s had long enough to show us a glimpse of what could come in the future. 

Not sure i agree.  I'd say looking at our squad Palmer, Nkunku, Petrovic and, only if fully fit, Chilwell and James are top 8, pushing for Europe calibre. Dine might say Enzo too but I'd take some convincing.

So a large handful out of the entire squad.

If we put the whole squad on the list bar those named above I don't see many European challenging teams putting in many bids

Okay so...all season people have been questioning Pochettino. Fine. Before Christmas that intensified. Then we went on to win some. People were quiet. Quietly positive about Chelsea turning the corner (it seems) and we look a side that could actually reach European places and so on. Then comes Liverpool and Wolves who (are flying high) wipe the floor with us and there's never been more wrong manager than Pochettino and he should be sacked.

To me this is all massive kneejerk. 

This young inexperienced side will be made fool of 20 times before we have the tools to succeed. I don't mind Pochettino steering the ship. Getting in a De Zerbi or Xabi Alonso and you don't appreciate the timing. This is not the time to think about the table but improving. Ups and downs are part of this journey.

I'd be giving him until the end of the season, f**k it. I just don't see the point of paying him off and bringing in an interim who wont add any value. 

And then I'd be looking at Arne Slot. 

Seems like he'd slot in here in terms of style of football and the players at his disposal and he is on the way up up https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/arne-slot-feyenoord-az-alkmaar-tactics/

Edited February 4, 20242 yr by bisright1

On reflection getting in a new manager won’t fix it 

a team full of young players will have ups and downs 

there is no one to calm them down on the pitch which I’m surprised at as Thiago  should be this man 

we need an experienced midfielder to just calm things and stop Connor running around like a lunatic we cannot have midfield balance when they don’t know where he is 

6 minutes ago, loz said:

Not sure i agree.  I'd say looking at our squad Palmer, Nkunku, Petrovic and, only if fully fit, Chilwell and James are top 8, pushing for Europe calibre. Dine might say Enzo too but I'd take some convincing.

So a large handful out of the entire squad.

If we put the whole squad on the list bar those named above I don't see many European challenging teams putting in many bids

Agreed. The rest of the season will likely be average at best no matter who is in charge. Overall we have very few players who are worthy of a regular start in a top 4 side, which is appalling when you consider the outlay.

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

Agreed. The rest of the season will likely be average at best no matter who is in charge. Overall we have very few players who are worthy of a regular start in a top 4 side, which is appalling when you consider the outlay.

I was talking about top 8! Top four...oof, no chance 

7 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I'd be giving him until the end of the season, f**k it. I just don't see the point of paying him off and bringing in an interim who wont add any value. 

And then I'd be looking at Arne Slot. 

Seems like he'd slot in here in terms of style of football and the players at his disposal and he is on the way up up https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/arne-slot-feyenoord-az-alkmaar-tactics/

I'd also think Thiago Motta at Bologna is someone we should have an eye on. 

We need someone on the way up - like Potter - but unlike Potter need to ensure they have the personality to deal with being a top tier manager. These two have it. 

Edited February 4, 20242 yr by bisright1

10 minutes ago, loz said:

Not sure i agree.  I'd say looking at our squad Palmer, Nkunku, Petrovic and, only if fully fit, Chilwell and James are top 8, pushing for Europe calibre. Dine might say Enzo too but I'd take some convincing.

So a large handful out of the entire squad.

If we put the whole squad on the list bar those named above I don't see many European challenging teams putting in many bids

TBF I don't think you need a team full of world beaters to make top 8. That's for title challengers like City and Liverpool. You look at most of the teams above us by a few spots and they only have about 2 to 3 key players and everyone else is average. The players you mentioned should be enough to take us to top 8 maybe even top 6, otherwise the manager needs to be questioned.

7 minutes ago, evissy said:

Okay so...all season people have been questioning Pochettino. Fine. Before Christmas that intensified. Then we went on to win some. People were quiet. Quietly positive about Chelsea turning the corner (it seems) and we look a side that could actually reach European places and so on. Then comes Liverpool and Wolves who (are flying high) wipe the floor with us and there's never been more wrong manager than Pochettino and he should be sacked.

To me this is all massive kneejerk. 

This young inexperienced side will be made fool of 20 times before we have the tools to succeed. I don't mind Pochettino steering the ship. Getting in a De Zerbi or Xabi Alonso and you don't appreciate the timing. This is not the time to think about the table but improving. Ups and downs are part of this journey.

I think people were quiet because we were winning, not necessarily because we turned a corner. The games we have won have all come against teams below us in the league or from the championship. 

The signs have been there months and so have the complaints. It isnt knee jerk, it's just other people's opinions about what they are watching and what deem acceptable given the clubs resources.

If you are happy to go along with Poch, that's great for you. I wish I had your hope and patience because for me he is one of many problems we have at the club, most if which is self inflicted.

3 minutes ago, loz said:

I was talking about top 8! Top four...oof, no chance 

LOL. I am obviously not referring to this season, and looking more long term. I think most of our squad isn't good enough if we ultimately have ambitions to make Champions League.

Getting rid of all those experience players no matter what you thought of them was a big mistake because players like Jorginho have so much experience and can calm things down.

Kova and Kante too, a half fit Kante will give you a tone more than what we are getting now as would Kova. 
Also all the players i just mentioned would not let standard drop you would hope especially Jorginho. 

Just so dumb getting rid of all the experience in the team.

 

Edited February 4, 20242 yr by El regreso

16 minutes ago, evissy said:

Okay so...all season people have been questioning Pochettino. Fine. Before Christmas that intensified. Then we went on to win some. People were quiet. Quietly positive about Chelsea turning the corner (it seems) and we look a side that could actually reach European places and so on. Then comes Liverpool and Wolves who (are flying high) wipe the floor with us and there's never been more wrong manager than Pochettino and he should be sacked.

To me this is all massive kneejerk. 

This young inexperienced side will be made fool of 20 times before we have the tools to succeed. I don't mind Pochettino steering the ship. Getting in a De Zerbi or Xabi Alonso and you don't appreciate the timing. This is not the time to think about the table but improving. Ups and downs are part of this journey.

While I'm not among the people who want Poch sacked (I think he should stay until the end of the season) I dont think the emotions from fans are knee jerk. The victories we had over the holidays were unconvincing (like almost losing a 3-0 lead) and then we drew in the FA cup and lost in the carabao cup. The signs were there for these two successive losses if you look closely. Our only convincing win in the last few months have been the second leg tie against Middlesbrough

Edited February 4, 20242 yr by Frankie8Lampard

11 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I'd be giving him until the end of the season, f**k it. I just don't see the point of paying him off and bringing in an interim who wont add any value. 

And then I'd be looking at Arne Slot. 

Seems like he'd slot in here in terms of style of football and the players at his disposal and he is on the way up up https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/arne-slot-feyenoord-az-alkmaar-tactics/

So, you say Arne Slot would "slot" in here .?

I see what you did there!

We should make Silva the manager until the end of the season.

Just now, CaitlinCFC said:

We should make Silva the manager until the end of the season.

As long in his contract it say he is not allowed to play in back 4, this is the best idea. 

“I think we are all not [good enough]. At the moment, that is the reality. Myself, also, to be the first responsible for this situation. What we were showing today, that we are not good enough. I agree with you 100 per cent. We didn’t manage the situation properly and no one can be safe. I don’t want to come here and say I am the best. We are all responsible.

“Even the players. The players need to take some responsibility like I am taking the responsibility, also. I agree with you, at the moment, we are not matching the history of the club. That is true, we have to accept and we need to be critical and not give up. We need to keep working to try and change, maybe take a decision, try to find things in a different way.”

-Mauricio Pochettino; source: Football.London

 

Maybe take a decision? Is he asking for the sack?

5 minutes ago, evissy said:

Okay so...all season people have been questioning Pochettino. Fine. Before Christmas that intensified. Then we went on to win some. People were quiet. Quietly positive about Chelsea turning the corner (it seems) and we look a side that could actually reach European places and so on. Then comes Liverpool and Wolves who (are flying high) wipe the floor with us and there's never been more wrong manager than Pochettino and he should be sacked.

Not me. I was saying the football was still sh*t and there was no improvement in how we played. We were getting by on a bit of Palmer magic and bringing on the likes of Gilchrist to see out the likes of Luton. The only talk of European football was of possibilities, not something I ever truly believed we could pull off.

15 minutes ago, evissy said:

To me this is all massive kneejerk. 

Some of us never rated the guy from the start, so I don't see how it's kneejerk.

15 minutes ago, evissy said:

This young inexperienced side will be made fool of 20 times before we have the tools to succeed. I don't mind Pochettino steering the ship. Getting in a De Zerbi or Xabi Alonso and you don't appreciate the timing. This is not the time to think about the table but improving. Ups and downs are part of this journey.

The more this lot get made a fool of, the worse they get. They don't learn, they don't improve. If anything they laugh and joke and make twats of themselves on social media like we have seen from Mudryk and Jackson. What ship is Pochettino steering exactly? It's like he hasn't had his hands on the wheel since day 1. He's changed NOTHING.....well, that's not technically true, he has made us more ill disciplined than I have ever seen, so there is that.

I don't know what kind of ups you're seeing because all I see are downs. As for it being a part of a journey, what kind of journey do you think we are on right now? We have an investigation still looming over our heads and we will need to sell 4 or 5 of our homegrown players by June just to escape FFP sanctions at the end of year. Another season of this and it's bye bye Palmer and Nkunku before you know it. Hell of journey this is, a few bumps in the road before falling off a cliff.