23 hours ago, Shug said:

We would have been playing someone else, not with 10 men, so who knows?

I hate these types of analogies "where would Chelsea be without Cole Palmer" 

Where would Arsenal be without Saka? Where would City be without Foden? 

Go even further, where would Barca be without Messi? Madrid without Ronaldo? 

It's easy to take away the best player and subtract all their goals/assists, but that's not how football works. 

No doubt Palmer has been instrumental this season and I really doubt we would be 6th without him, but you could make this argument with every other team. 

4 hours ago, JM7 said:

I think it’s pretty clear that the decision to remove Poch was made some time ago. Poch knew it. They didn’t just decide on Monday. It explains Poch’S outburst. 
 

If we return to 9/10th in the table again, it will be an embarrassment for the club. 

The board made the decision to start again with a new manager so realistically any progress made last season will be lost in the short term, unless a like for like manager was hired to continue the same path. But looks like the board are going to start again if they go with a more inexperienced manager so patience will be needed (from both players and fans). There is a good chance we will initially go backwards (at least in terms of league position) before any progress is made. I'd say midtable is likely next season.

5 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Go even further, where would Barca be without Messi? Madrid without Ronaldo? 
 

Where would Barcelona be without the support of Uefa and the referees unconditional support?

16 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I hate these types of analogies "where would Chelsea be without Cole Palmer" 

Where would Arsenal be without Saka? Where would City be without Foden? 

Go even further, where would Barca be without Messi? Madrid without Ronaldo? 

It's easy to take away the best player and subtract all their goals/assists, but that's not how football works. 

No doubt Palmer has been instrumental this season and I really doubt we would be 6th without him, but you could make this argument with every other team. 

Agreed. Where would we have been without Hazard when he was at his best? Still very good no doubt but he probably made the difference when it came to winning some trophies at the time.

But good players like Cole don't usually last long at mediocre/underachieving teams. So we will need to continue progressing towards champs league and competing for the major trophies, or we will risk losing him in the next few years. The lates reboot makes that task much harder.

7 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Agreed. Where would we have been without Hazard when he was at his best? Still very good no doubt but he probably made the difference when it came to winning some trophies at the time.

But good players like Cole don't usually last long at mediocre/underachieving teams. So we will need to continue progressing towards champs league and competing for the major trophies, or we will risk losing him in the next few years. The lates reboot makes that task much harder.

Tottenham as Champions, god forbid

21 minutes ago, forbzy said:

 So we will need to continue progressing towards champs league and competing for the major trophies, or we will risk losing him in the next few years. The latest reboot makes that task much harder.

It is yet another irksome reboot for US, the fans, but for the current squad of players it is just a reboot.  The vast majority of players under the Potter era have long been gone. Potter had to deal with a lot of sh*t - a lot of overpaid players and a huge bloated squad, most of whom did not want to be there. Potter would do better now with this current young squad.  That said, Potter still lacked a killer instinct to his possession football game. I really hope we get the young manager from County Fermanagh.  He has something on a personal level - a resolve and a determination - getting injured young has made him tough. He also has new and innovative tactics that add a new perspective to the possession game that all the top sides are now committed too.

There will be a step backwards, but not as big as some fear. There has been improvement in the players cohesion and team building, the one thing that Poch took far too long to get going. So whoever takes over, doesn't have that problem that all the recent managers had. Fingers crossed whoever it is, may hit the ground running, provided the players buy into his philosophy, and tactics.

23 hours ago, JM7 said:

𝐏𝐞𝐫 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐀𝐭𝐡𝐥𝐞𝐭𝐢𝐜’𝐬 𝐞𝐱𝐜𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐫𝐞𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭: 

- Training sessions were ‘tactically primitive’. 

- Poch refused to accept that his training methods contributed to injuries. 

- Jesus Perez overworked players with excessive amounts of high-intensity running. 

- Poch had a tendency to bring recovering players back into full training rather than adapted training too quickly resulted in re-injuries. 

- Poch disliked using Enzo and Caicedo together and saw Gallagher as their superior. 

- He selected Levi Colwill at LB to ‘bolster the defence’. 

- Club’s recruitment team brought Cole Palmer and Poch wasn’t too convinced. 

- Tried to sign ex-Spurs players to join the club for ‘experience’. 

- Dismissed the need for hiring the best set-piece coach in England despite Chelsea’s lackluster record.

Removing Poch was the RIGHT decision. 

Question is if the club will make the RIGHT decision on his replacement. 
 

The above doesn’t paint Poch in a good Light. 

Damning stuff and evidence supports all of it.

Fans have short memories, as proven by the ridiculous reaction by some on here. Recency-bias after scraping 6th, thanks to a ‘fluke’ tactical switch due to circumstances. This season was torture 75% of the time, it was just vibes, nothing to believe in. Poch is a dinosaur with good PR, Saudi is the best place for him now. He had never and will never touch silverware on these shores, after a near 10 year stint. What a legacy. 🤦‍♂️

On 22/05/2024 at 15:36, TheCeleryKing said:

This could be true, but do we have any evidence of this other than a lot of media speculation?

True mate, I actually made that up ( speculating ) none of us on here know what's happening. Neither does the media.

Or anyone at the club !

 

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25 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Damning stuff and evidence supports all of it.

Fans have short memories, as proven by the ridiculous reaction by some on here. Recency-bias after scraping 6th, thanks to a ‘fluke’ tactical switch due to circumstances. This season was torture 75% of the time, it was just vibes, nothing to believe in. Poch is a dinosaur with good PR, Saudi is the best place for him now. He had never and will never touch silverware on these shores, after a near 10 year stint. What a legacy. 🤦‍♂️

For me I am not upset at all Poch got sacked as I never wanted him in the first place.

Bigger issue is Winstanley, Stewart and Egbahli took MONTHS of interviews to decide on Poch and this was the result. How is that no incompetence of the highest order?

On 22/05/2024 at 15:43, Sconnie Blue said:

None. 

Media are grasping on one narrative when in reality there is probably a whole list of issues they brought up with Poch, likely starting with the Chilwell at LW/Colwill LB nonsense. 

Hey Sconnie, stop speculating that it might be about Chilly LW etc.!! 🤣😜

Wait until a reliable source tells us something. Does anyone know a reliable source ?

 

 

6 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

For me I am not upset at all Poch got sacked as I never wanted him in the first place.

Bigger issue is Winstanley, Stewart and Egbahli took MONTHS of interviews to decide on Poch and this was the result. How is that no incompetence of the highest order?

Oh they decided to sack him months ago.

Then  started just a few days ago to look for a replacement.

BREAKING: Chelsea have narrowed down their search for Mauricio Pochettino’s successor to 4 candidates: 

🔷 Kieran McKenna 
🔷 Enzo Maresca
🔷 Thomas Frank
🔷 Unknown 

Chelsea have dropped interest in Stuttgart’s Sebastian Hoeness and Girona’s Michel.

(via @Matt_Law_DT)

7 minutes ago, JM7 said:

BREAKING: Chelsea have narrowed down their search for Mauricio Pochettino’s successor to 4 candidates: 

🔷 Kieran McKenna 
🔷 Enzo Maresca
🔷 Thomas Frank
🔷 Unknown 

Chelsea have dropped interest in Stuttgart’s Sebastian Hoeness and Girona’s Michel.

(via @Matt_Law_DT)

Talk sport just said we've asked for permission from Leicester to talk to Maresca. The Pep connection elevates managers to elite status !

 

1 hour ago, Term_X said:

Damning stuff and evidence supports all of it.

Fans have short memories, as proven by the ridiculous reaction by some on here. Recency-bias after scraping 6th, thanks to a ‘fluke’ tactical switch due to circumstances. This season was torture 75% of the time, it was just vibes, nothing to believe in. Poch is a dinosaur with good PR, Saudi is the best place for him now. He had never and will never touch silverware on these shores, after a near 10 year stint. What a legacy. 🤦‍♂️

It is damning stuff, but I don't know what evidence supports it ?

How does this reporter know Poch tried to sign ex Spurs players , when the actual evidence is that he had no influence on transfers?  

The Athletic is one of the more reliable media, but it still needs to generate clicks , and articles with no reference to any reliable sources are just the same as reading stuff written on here .

You would think our long interview process with Poch would have asked about training and how injured players are dealt with, especially as we were in the middle of an injury crisis at the time ?

Man u fans want him..

We need to move quick 

It’s going to be Maresca. 

11 hours ago, forbzy said:

The board made the decision to start again with a new manager so realistically any progress made last season will be lost in the short term, unless a like for like manager was hired to continue the same path. But looks like the board are going to start again if they go with a more inexperienced manager so patience will be needed (from both players and fans). There is a good chance we will initially go backwards (at least in terms of league position) before any progress is made. I'd say midtable is likely next season.

Clearly mid table is unacceptable, though. If 6th place and Europe isn't acceptable, why appointment the likelihood of regression? 

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

BREAKING: Chelsea have narrowed down their search for Mauricio Pochettino’s successor to 4 candidates: 

🔷 Kieran McKenna 
🔷 Enzo Maresca
🔷 Thomas Frank
🔷 Unknown 

Chelsea have dropped interest in Stuttgart’s Sebastian Hoeness and Girona’s Michel.

(via @Matt_Law_DT)

Narrowed cause the other two are not interested most likely.

56 minutes ago, 19seventyone said:

It’s going to be Maresca. 

13 hours ago, forbzy said:

Agreed. Where would we have been without Hazard when he was at his best? Still very good no doubt but he probably made the difference when it came to winning some trophies at the time.

But good players like Cole don't usually last long at mediocre/underachieving teams. So we will need to continue progressing towards champs league and competing for the major trophies, or we will risk losing him in the next few years. The lates reboot makes that task much harder.

If Cole want to leave, that is fine 100m and we just sign another wonderkid.

15 hours ago, terraloon said:

Sorry but your posting  is based on the negative press speculation from the likes of the DM yet you seem so keen to dismiss press stories that paint a somewhat different picture 

Of course there will be two sides to the story and the reality is we just don’t know what is fact or conjecture.

I once worked for a manager who told me that having x number of years experience is ok in one way but the reality is that the only period that is relevant is the most recent year. Experience can be a good thing but it can also in a changing environment be one of the biggest blockers .

The more I read people’s opinions it’s abundantly clear that far too many just want to see the negatives. It’s always a yea but type of response. 

As I have posted earlier in the thread I know what I witnessed and that was a coach who didn’t get close to the potential from the squad. It’s easy to dismiss the Athletic article but for me there are several things within that ring true from the lack of match prep to the fact that so many players returning from injury immediately were out again  and likewise playing the likes of Colwill in a position he had never occupied even in his academy days.

There was a reason Spurs didn’t look to bring him back last summer and that goes back to a relationship a HC  has to have with the owners. It’s nonsense to suggest that in the modern era that these multi billionaire owners rely on one man to make strategic decisions it’s downright denial and arrogance if a HC believes that they will be given total power. 

Yesterday’s managers would not get close to succeeding in the modern era even the likes of Mourino is yesterdays man . I for one welcome the idea of a young , dynamic and modern coach being appointed and the whole point about putting into place a collaborative approach is to draw on skills that others possess not simply to dismiss the value that they bring. Was it fact or conjecture the MP fought against the appointment of a set piece coach?

We have seen what happens when the  club appointed experienced managers as replacements. From the BFW to Scholari they came with impressive CVs but really were past their sell by date.

Then we can talk about AVB, Potter and Frank. AVB stood no chance because quite simply the dressing room was too strong, too experienced and had the ear of the owner. Potter as we probably now can see was the front but it was the skill set behind the scene of the data anyalists the sporting directors and yes the owner that was key . Frank ironically had had one decent ( not great ) season at Derby when he got the gig but he clearly after season one when the decisions were forced on him ( transfer ban) had a good first season but we quickly both in season two and his last  temporary period saw his lack of ability.

My point is that so many harp back to RAs version of Chelsea they almost it seems to me want the new ownership group to fail. That may be harsh and of course there needs to be signs of moving forward but Poch wasn’t anywhere close to the right fit we all now that and yes we can rightly question why he was ever appointed but come on why are so many shedding Crocodile tears now that they have righted that wrong ?

Let's start with poch. 

I don't care if we fire poch, as long as we don't hire crazy manager, we should be fine. 

Colwill as lb. Thank God we don't have pep/Arteta as our manager. City played 5 cb, Arteta played with 5 cb at the back. 

2nd, I don't care if you are young progressive or old dinosaur manager. Every single manager will be unhappy if you sell their key player and replace them with kids. 

Like I said, it is quit clear that this is the plan for this board. Low wages, long contract, get to top 4. It is similar to Brighton, in the end of the day it is the board right to do what they want. 

 

 

Edited May 24, 20242 yr by Bob stark

15 hours ago, terraloon said:

 

I once worked for a manager who told me that having x number of years experience is ok in one way but the reality is that the only period that is relevant is the most recent year. Experience can be a good thing but it can also in a changing environment be one of the biggest blockers .

 

In business that is completely true. At some point experience becomes a negative because you are not open to or in fact just become a me too follower of a new way of doing things. Happened to Mourinho, Wenger just for instance. Retrenching  the older generation and brining in fresh blood is a time honoured practice in business and relevant football management as well as to the players. Equally if experience is useful its usefulness will have been demonstrated in performance over the past 12 months. Otherwise you are better off down at the pub talking about the good old days.

Edited May 24, 20242 yr by ozboy

Not read whole thread so not aiming at anyone in particular on here but been very amused by level of outrage of Chelsea fans, many of whom as a collective never got behind Pochettino and wanted him sacked/gone some time ago. Wish has been granted and still moaning 😂

Edited May 24, 20242 yr by The Brit

27 minutes ago, The Brit said:

Not read whole thread so not aiming at anyone in particular on here but been very amused by level of outrage of Chelsea fans, many of whom as a collective never got behind Pochettino and wanted him sacked/gone some time ago. Wish has been granted and still moaning 😂

Last five games wiped a lot of fans' memories 

I'm a fan and my opinion of the manager changes every game. Even though I know better