4 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

As if you need any further proof. He is a one trick donkey - and a boring and unimaginative one at that

Jim, Jackson wasn't playing last night mate..

2 hours ago, terraloon said:

Shows the impatience of supporters in general.

Last night Utd were vastly more experienced than we were and despite all we got over the line.

Was it pretty ? Certainly not but defensively we are vastly improved and had we had a decent keeper we would be close to the top of the overall indeed I think we have the third best defensive record (joint) and I think the 5th best record in terms of goals scored.

Of course we has lost some guaranteed three points but build team takes time and along the way there will be problems but for me the progress is evident as are the areas that still need improvement

We are nowhere near the team that our owners bought They haven't improved the team they bought..

The team they ended up destroying with their arrogant and ignorant decisions is still nowhere near the team they bought.

23 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Jim, Jackson wasn't playing last night mate..

He was more effective off the pitch than on it....

We’re going to scrape CL wing the Conference League and have to put up with this drivel for another season before the inevitable stagnation and sacking.

Have we improved from last season? In a season where 2 of the teams we’re competing directly with have dropped generational stinkers and the rest of the league hasn’t exactly stepped up, once again the 3 promoted teams go straight back down etc. I think we’ve missed a golden opportunity, we might have a few more points and be a few positions higher but there is 0 improvement.

The football we’re playing is absolutely soul destroying. We make all these attacking signings and then trot out the absolute worst version of Peps football killing philosophy.

If we aren’t going to win trophies (meaningful trophies not the European Milk Cup) then we at least want to be entertaining and we’re so far from that.

32 minutes ago, Sunspear_88 said:

I mean he isn't wrong, and it's not his fault for this regression. It's a mix of the current and previous ownership. Before the new ownership we were still 19/20 or more points off of the top of the PL. When was the last time we were serious title challengers? Since Conte left in the second season we have been very poor and nowhere near competing. The league has gotten more competitive as well, better managers and players going to the so called "mid table" clubs, and the top 8 sides better than they've ever been, such as Bournemouth, Forest, Villa, Brentford, Brighton, etc, even Palace are creeping up there. I think our expectations need to be seriously tempered. Times have changed, teams have improved, and we need to expect that things won't improve immediately.

You are misunderstanding the frustration of many. It IS NOT about league position of challenging for titles for most of us. When we talk about a lack of progress it is nothing to do with the players we have, or the place in the league table.

What we want to see is progression on the field in the style and system that we play. If we only have players that are good enough for midtable - then so be it - but at least try to get those midtable players playing in a team with a genuine chelsea identity - not the slow, boring, stagnant and unimaginative sh*t that maresca has us playing.

Personally i dont think these players are mid table - but i would be happy to accept a couple of years of mid table finishes, if it sets us up with a long term identity and way of playing - knowing that those players can grow into it.

The problem is that Maresca has not shown AT ALL that he can get this team progressing in this objective. All he has is the predictable and easy to play against - pep lite - possession at all costs approach.

Maresca is a fraud. He has not shown at any point he wants to change.

2 hours ago, evissy said:

I just think it is the reality of the situation. Seems like fans are the only group not seeing that.

We live in different realities then. This is not coming from our own fans.

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

What do you mean. The comment from Maresca that seems to have prompted your latest drivel openly states that it is directed at the press.

This makes a lot more sense than the picture Evissy is trying to paint.

We should be a better version of what came before for the amount of money "invested" ... £1.2 billion spent on players ... 3years into it ... and this is what we get ?

2 hours ago, evissy said:

I just think it is the reality of the situation. Seems like fans are the only group not seeing that.

You’re right it is the reality of the situation, but we don’t need to hear “this isn’t the same Chelsea” every single week.

It just smacks of someone getting in their excuses in early if we don’t win at Forest and get pipped for a top 5 spot.

Then he’ll say we have improved on the last 2 seasons etc…

We are literally in a Champions League spot with one game to go in the season, this is not the time to pat yourself on the back and compare to past seasons.

All focus and talk should be on giving it everything we’ve got next in the last match, even in press conferences.

Better than Ponch apparently 🫢

it took Poch about 6 months to sort out the total clusterf**k of a squad.

Maresca had that work done for him, so should have had a much bigger

point tally. instead of inducing a clusterf**k after christmas.

1 hour ago, Scott said:

Better than Ponch apparently 🫢

Depends on how you define or measure better. Yes - he got more points and league position, in a weaker league - where only Liverpool showed up. But the team is equally as bad as we were under poch. No balance. Boring. Stagnant. Stale.

Poch was not the answer - and I didnt like him - but at least Poch had his own ideas. Maresca comes across as a guy who has zero original ideas of his own and instead copies Peps possession at all costs model.

4 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

What do you mean. The comment from Maresca that seems to have prompted your latest drivel openly states that it is directed at the press.

And who does the press talk to?

And if it sells more papers the message is much more sensational than the actual matter is. Chelsea misery sells papers.

Easiest point naturally is money. Like with us the billion dollar bottlejobs jibe. I feel absolutely embarrassed when our own fans go into it.

A lot of money for sure but when you watch a bit deeper we have made investments for the future with many of our player buys. Not for today or tomorrow but for many seasons on. Many of these lads peak in 3-5 years.

Under Roman we mostly bought players for the here and now.

1 hour ago, Scott said:

Better than Ponch apparently 🫢

I think it is more impressive City have 65 points from just 3 games, while it took United 8 games to get to 60 points last year and Newcastle just 3 games. Rest of us are slacking.

3 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

You are misunderstanding the frustration of many. It IS NOT about league position of challenging for titles for most of us. When we talk about a lack of progress it is nothing to do with the players we have, or the place in the league table.

What we want to see is progression on the field in the style and system that we play. If we only have players that are good enough for midtable - then so be it - but at least try to get those midtable players playing in a team with a genuine chelsea identity - not the slow, boring, stagnant and unimaginative sh*t that maresca has us playing.

Personally i dont think these players are mid table - but i would be happy to accept a couple of years of mid table finishes, if it sets us up with a long term identity and way of playing - knowing that those players can grow into it.

The problem is that Maresca has not shown AT ALL that he can get this team progressing in this objective. All he has is the predictable and easy to play against - pep lite - possession at all costs approach.

Maresca is a fraud. He has not shown at any point he wants to change.

I can't really say Maresca is fraud as he's kept us competing for a CL place without a competent striker and our best CB injured all season, not to mention Lavia out most of the season, no Mudryk, etc. He wasn't behind most of the signings we've seen, which have been poor. I mean last night we had a guy who left free from Fulham as our main choice CB because we have limited options. Caicedo, Palmer, Cucurella are the standouts, but the rest are either overrated or moderately rated, or just poor. None of those signings were here when Maresca came to the club. Maresca is also a young coach, so he is also learning too. Regardless, I'm all for playing more exciting football, but if it means we aren't in control of games, I wouldn't like it. I'd rather us have more control in games and win. I'm sure he will find a mix of both eventually. If we fire Maresca, we go back to square one again and may end up worse off.

3 hours ago, 2211 said:

You’re right it is the reality of the situation, but we don’t need to hear “this isn’t the same Chelsea” every single week.

It just smacks of someone getting in their excuses in early if we don’t win at Forest and get pipped for a top 5 spot.

Then he’ll say we have improved on the last 2 seasons etc…

We are literally in a Champions League spot with one game to go in the season, this is not the time to pat yourself on the back and compare to past seasons.

All focus and talk should be on giving it everything we’ve got next in the last match, even in press conferences.

I think we absolutely need to hear that. We need to hear it every day. Would be much easier for everyone if we backed the team in line where the squad is going.

For some weird reason our fans just decided they don't like Enzo. Just like that.

No Mudryk made me chuckle.

10 minutes ago, Sunspear_88 said:

I can't really say Maresca is fraud as he's kept us competing for a CL place without a competent striker and our best CB injured all season, not to mention Lavia out most of the season, no Mudryk, etc. He wasn't behind most of the signings we've seen, which have been poor. I mean last night we had a guy who left free from Fulham as our main choice CB because we have limited options. Caicedo, Palmer, Cucurella are the standouts, but the rest are either overrated or moderately rated, or just poor. None of those signings were here when Maresca came to the club. Maresca is also a young coach, so he is also learning too. Regardless, I'm all for playing more exciting football, but if it means we aren't in control of games, I wouldn't like it. I'd rather us have more control in games and win. I'm sure he will find a mix of both eventually. If we fire Maresca, we go back to square one again and may end up worse off.

I dont care about competing in the short term. I dont care about getting the best out of what we have.

1) Rip up the current system and style guide. Throw it away

2) Best players in best position (Palmer wide right, caicedo middle, reece RWB - i would have said nkunku 2nd striker - but he is off)

3) an immediete end to the slow and boring , unprogressive football we see that is a rip off of Citeh. Instead, bring implement our own identity and system that suits the young players we have - let them learn and grow into the system.

4) stop playing players who have no future here. Move on from medicority, and focus on the future - but do it wholeheartedly.

45 minutes ago, evissy said:

For some weird reason our fans just decided they don't like Enzo. Just like that.

You're just trolling at this point. I think it's crystal clear why people don't like him, it's been said over and over again.

10 minutes ago, Zeta said:

You're just trolling at this point. I think it's crystal clear why people don't like him, it's been said over and over again.

Well if he was someone as a person people were drawn into he'd get a lot less slack. So it is not objective nor 100% football related.

33 minutes ago, evissy said:

Well if he was someone as a person people were drawn into he'd get a lot less slack. So it is not objective nor 100% football related.

If he were a manager who tried - even just a little - to have us playing progressive football, he'd get a lot less stick.

(ps - I think you meant get more stick, and not slack?)

Just now, nonotnowjim said:

If he were a manager who tried - even just a little - to have us playing progressive football, he'd get a lot less stick.

(ps - I think you meant get more stick, and not slack?)

We are 2nd in chances created and first in big chances missed.

Say what you want about Maresca but his football does encourage players to attack the goal. Were just really sh*t at converting.

8 hours ago, Remodez said:

Getting real tired of this "people still think we are Chelsea under Roman" trope, it's just gaslighting to hide his inadequacies.

Spot on. Honestly, it's infuriating. They've spend a sh*t ton of money, Tyrique George being our only option after Jackson is a combination of our directors making dogsh*t decisions in the transfer market (wasting money on the likes of Washington, Dewsbury-Hall, Felix, DD Fofana, 50 goalkeepers) and Maresca not having another plan in the event that Jackson gets injured or misses games through suspension.

These f**kers spend more recklessly than Abramovich ever did.

1 hour ago, evissy said:

I think we absolutely need to hear that. We need to hear it every day. Would be much easier for everyone if we backed the team in line where the squad is going.

For some weird reason our fans just decided they don't like Enzo. Just like that.

Maresca has been nothing but a bullsh*t artist all season.

10 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We are 2nd in chances created and first in big chances missed.

Say what you want about Maresca but his football does encourage players to attack the goal. Were just really sh*t at converting.

Think how many we would create if we stopped f**king around with it at the back. Never settle