54 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

He is going to become the England’s greatest coach ever. Super Tommy Tuchel!

He can outcoach anyone on his day, with the immense talent of England squad, Tommy really can revolutionise the nation.

He’s going to make us a team that absolutely nobody wants to face. Nobody.

Until Clearlake buy the FA and sack him again.

I wish him all the very best.🍺

1 hour ago, dansubrosa said:

He is going to become the England’s greatest coach ever. Super Tommy Tuchel!

He can outcoach anyone on his day, with the immense talent of England squad, Tommy really can revolutionise the nation.

He’s going to make us a team that absolutely nobody wants to face. Nobody.

Awww, that's adorable.

Can see him picking a team like this...

Pickford

Stones Dier Guehi

TAA      Rice Gallagher    Trippier

Bellingham   Gordon

Kane

 

Listen to a few clips on talksport one guy called said he’s done with England😂😂

He said he’s loves the make up of the country “but” this is where he draws the line. A foreigner leading England men’s team that’s a line too far.😂😂😂

21 hours ago, Term_X said:

Great news for Reece James.

Unfortunately, good news for Mason Mount.. just hope Tommy has less sentiments there 😅

Haha, neither seem to be able to play 4 back to back matches.

Will be interesting to see if he can give the team the belief to win a trophy and then eff it up again shortly later.

He will be a national hero despite being a German if he wins a major trophy.

 

40 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Listen to a few clips on talksport one guy called said he’s done with England😂😂

He said he’s loves the make up of the country “but” this is where he draws the line. A foreigner leading England men’s team that’s a line too far.😂😂😂

I wouldn't worry, we heard the same tedious bloviating from the usual suspects when we hired Sven twenty-three years ago.

Great news for England TT might just be independent enough to play your best 11 and not bend to the massive pressure to play the Big Names. There has to be an English born keeper better than Pickford.

All my life I have wondered how do the FA manage to f**k up every single appointment and ruin generation after generation of great players. 

Finally they seem to have made the right choice. Took them decades. 

Tuchel's record in tournament like competitions is brilliant. This is what a national team needs. 

Going to be an interesting couple of months for Chilwell and James. Both were important in Tuchel's winning UCL team. I guess Chilwell will be instructed by Tuchel to find a club if he wants to be considered a part of England NT and James will be extra motivated now that Tuchel took over, which is a good thing for Chelsea. Hopefully he can stay fit, too 💀💀💀

Not a fan of foreign coaches to be honest, I feel that the manager should have to abide by the same qualifying rules as the players do but that's just me. I just hope the British press don't hound our beloved Tuchel into the ground like they try to do with every other England manager.

Apparently every manager who is English has been a useless England manager.

But we don't want anyone from another nation to manage England . Oh no

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, El regreso said:

Listen to a few clips on talksport one guy called said he’s done with England😂😂

He said he’s loves the make up of the country “but” this is where he draws the line. A foreigner leading England men’s team that’s a line too far.😂😂😂

😂😂Load of tosh isn't it 

Our English club players don't know what it's like to be coached by anyone other than foreign coaches!

14 hours ago, Valerie said:

Not that hiring a national team coach who doesn't own a passport of the country of employment is a big issue (not to me anyway), but it amazes me that England, that has such great football competitions at all levels, can"t produce an English national team coach - or apparently doesn't have enough quality coaches on club level to climb the ladder.

Or produce an England team that actually wins a trophy. Or even reach a World Cup final for that matter

On 15/10/2024 at 20:06, Term_X said:

Great news for Reece James.

Unfortunately, good news for Mason Mount.. just hope Tommy has less sentiments there 😅

If Tuchel is gonna start picking injured players , we're f**ked!

4 hours ago, El regreso said:

Listen to a few clips on talksport one guy called said he’s done with England😂😂

He said he’s loves the make up of the country “but” this is where he draws the line. A foreigner leading England men’s team that’s a line too far.😂😂😂

It's funny really, because in the past 24 hours, the ones that have been very pro foreigner over the years are suddenly very anti foreigner when it comes to being the manager of the English football team, Gary Lineker for example 😆

Another funny thing is that the women's England manager is Dutch, and nobody is saying anything about that.

15 hours ago, Valerie said:

That wasn't my point 

I think I did not explain my point correctly. 

My point is that, it is not coaching quality issue. Imo, that is overblown. Are Fuentes and scaloni top coach? 

In term of England coaching ladder, it does not exist because PL is super competitive and have tons of money. 

 

8 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I think I did not explain my point correctly. 

My point is that, it is not coaching quality issue. Imo, that is overblown. Are Fuentes and scaloni top coach? 

In term of England coaching ladder, it does not exist because PL is super competitive and have tons of money. 

 

Then there's the option of going abroad.

Neville, Lampard and Gerrard all had big/biggish jobs where if successful they'd have "broken in" to the matrix of being attractive for top jobs. Roy had a chance at Liverpool, Allardyce was given a shot at Newcastle, Howe now has a job and quality of players that gives him a chance to dine at the top level for the rest of his career, Potter had a big chance here, Sherwood had time at Spurs to either gain the permanent job or put himself in the shop window.

The opportunities have been there for English managers, they just haven't been taken.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Then there's the option of going abroad.

Neville, Lampard and Gerrard all had big/biggish jobs where if successful they'd have "broken in" to the matrix of being attractive for top jobs. Roy had a chance at Liverpool, Allardyce was given a shot at Newcastle, Howe now has a job and quality of players that gives him a chance to dine at the top level for the rest of his career, Potter had a big chance here, Sherwood had time at Spurs to either gain the permanent job or put himself in the shop window.

The opportunities have been there for English managers, they just haven't been taken.

This. This is it in a nutshell. Lampard [for instance] was an exceptional player and as a manager he was [is] "above average".  Same for Gerrard. And because we want a top English coach, doesn't mean that we shall get one. Has there been one since Brian Clough? Bearing in mind that David Moyes is Scottish and is also 'sh1t'.

So after studying the English manager of the year since 1993 and realising that we want the best English bloke for the job, then it really is a battle between Alan Pardew and Harry Redknapp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_Manager_of_the_Season

Apologies for the rant but ive spent my lunch reading and watching the mainstream outcry to Tuchels appointment and need to let off some steam. Particularly around the usual duo of Carragher and Neville. I enjoyed their match analysis when they first started in punditry, but since they've expanded into providing wider commentary on sporting and global issues, they've gone back to being unbearable pricks. 

Lets start with Neville, who thinks that hiring Tuchel is just the worst thing that could have ever happened to English football. He proclaims that English coaching is in a crisis but goes on to state the the FA have ignored some outstanding English candidates. He also poses the question as to why would we have established St Georges Park if we are going to just hire a German. 

Well Gary, heres why mate. The concept of establishing a centre of excellence for English coaches is a solid one. Its a good start point for improving standards. However, it cannot be the only place in which knowledge and experience is passed upon these staff. In fact, it actually serves as a perfect representation of the arrogance and ignorance of our current attitude towards coaching in England. Rather than encouraging take up of coaching badges through lowering fees, incentivising and potentially even subsiding coaches to go abroad and learn about different football leagues and cultures, playing styles, attitudes and approaches, we instead believe that creating a centre of coaches, surrounded by other average coaches is the way forward. 

Other than a few exceptions, most top managers have had to do the hard graft to get there. They have had to start out in the lower divisions of other leagues, travel away from home and look to gain chances where they can. They've had to take work breaks where they visit and learn from other top coaches, spend time as assistants and craft their trade. They aren't simply 'given a chance' at a top premier league club because they used to play for United. Gary and his pals seem to be experts in the world of football management and how to fix it, yet none have achieved anything close to sucess in management. Their answers are quick fixes: "Trust Carsley with the England Job", "Give an English Man a chance at the Top" as if by some divine intervertion, simply being given an important role suddenly qualifies one to do it. 

There is one thing he is right on though. Hiring Tuchel is a damning commentary on English coaching.

But not because he should have been English but rather that it should inspire and motivate a change in approach towards bringing these coaches through. 12 years or so St Georges Park has been going and yet we have had to turn to Germany to help us try and squeeze a trophy out of yet another golden generation. But, most importantly, the FA are 100% correct in doing so. This needs to stand as a turning point so that in 10 years time, we have invested the correct time and money into supporting the development of English coaching across Europe, not in a hut in the south of England. 

Less annoyingly, Carragher takes the stance that international football should be nationality vs nationality and that it is unfair to be allowed to turn to a different nation so that the competitions are kept to "Our Best vs Yours". Its a narrative that I understand, but the reality of which becomes complex in how it would work, given the desire to want to promote football in less traditional/economically powerful nations. But this is also not something that we as a national football side should be concerned with. It is up to FIFA to decide on this and, the last time I checked, they couldn't care less what nationality the manager was. Therefore, it would be stupid of us to not exploit this given the void of talent currently available in our own pool.

My overbearing feeling towards this is that the media constantly refer to the England job as the hardest job in football yet are constantly pushing and screaming for underqualified and inexperienced English managers to enter into. I would also love for there to be an English manager that will be good enough to take the hot seat and lead us to a trophy, but obtaining this position should be the end goal of years of hard work and graft for managers that have learned their trade and earnt the position, rather than being gifted it based on their passport and industry connections. 

I really hope Tuchel does well, if only because any percieved failure will only be used as fuel for the fire these media idiots have lit, to prove that they were right all along. When the reality is, English coaches need to pull their finger out their ass so that we aren't having this conversation in 10 years time. 

Good post, I came away with similar feeling  The Xenophobia and hypocrisy from these two is quite astounding. they have chosen not to go down the management route themselves (one tried and he was awful)  - they should put their money and influence where their mouth instead of some cushy pundits job.

I stopped listening to Carragher ages ago, partly because can't understand a word he is saying  🙃

Spot on with the grass roots coaching, I have now moved upstairs I am chairman !  but have coached junior football now for 20 years. The FA training is good and now the level 1 (or introduction to coaching or what ever they call it these days) is pretty good and all online now so fairly accessible. However you are spot on regarding incentivising grass roots coaches to take it forward, subsidies and everything else, its really challenging for grass roots clubs.   We have always been a bit backward thinking as a nation in these areas.

(Don't get me on Refs coaching either, subject for another day!) 

 

 

 

 

 

Last time people managed to channel it into something funny as well (and these are two guys who more recently wrote a song about Nigel Farage):

 

On 17/10/2024 at 09:11, TheCeleryKing said:

So after studying the English manager of the year since 1993 and realising that we want the best English bloke for the job, then it really is a battle between Alan Pardew and Harry Redknapp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_Manager_of_the_Season

On further consideration, there is actually one English manager who surpasses both Pardew and Redknapp and that is our very own Emma Hayes.

The England football manager should be English 

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On 17/10/2024 at 15:03, Niall1905 said:

Apologies for the rant but ive spent my lunch reading and watching the mainstream outcry to Tuchels appointment and need to let off some steam. Particularly around the usual duo of Carragher and Neville. I enjoyed their match analysis when they first started in punditry, but since they've expanded into providing wider commentary on sporting and global issues, they've gone back to being unbearable pricks. 

Lets start with Neville, who thinks that hiring Tuchel is just the worst thing that could have ever happened to English football. He proclaims that English coaching is in a crisis but goes on to state the the FA have ignored some outstanding English candidates. He also poses the question as to why would we have established St Georges Park if we are going to just hire a German. 

Well Gary, heres why mate. The concept of establishing a centre of excellence for English coaches is a solid one. Its a good start point for improving standards. However, it cannot be the only place in which knowledge and experience is passed upon these staff. In fact, it actually serves as a perfect representation of the arrogance and ignorance of our current attitude towards coaching in England. Rather than encouraging take up of coaching badges through lowering fees, incentivising and potentially even subsiding coaches to go abroad and learn about different football leagues and cultures, playing styles, attitudes and approaches, we instead believe that creating a centre of coaches, surrounded by other average coaches is the way forward. 

Other than a few exceptions, most top managers have had to do the hard graft to get there. They have had to start out in the lower divisions of other leagues, travel away from home and look to gain chances where they can. They've had to take work breaks where they visit and learn from other top coaches, spend time as assistants and craft their trade. They aren't simply 'given a chance' at a top premier league club because they used to play for United. Gary and his pals seem to be experts in the world of football management and how to fix it, yet none have achieved anything close to sucess in management. Their answers are quick fixes: "Trust Carsley with the England Job", "Give an English Man a chance at the Top" as if by some divine intervertion, simply being given an important role suddenly qualifies one to do it. 

There is one thing he is right on though. Hiring Tuchel is a damning commentary on English coaching.

But not because he should have been English but rather that it should inspire and motivate a change in approach towards bringing these coaches through. 12 years or so St Georges Park has been going and yet we have had to turn to Germany to help us try and squeeze a trophy out of yet another golden generation. But, most importantly, the FA are 100% correct in doing so. This needs to stand as a turning point so that in 10 years time, we have invested the correct time and money into supporting the development of English coaching across Europe, not in a hut in the south of England. 

Less annoyingly, Carragher takes the stance that international football should be nationality vs nationality and that it is unfair to be allowed to turn to a different nation so that the competitions are kept to "Our Best vs Yours". Its a narrative that I understand, but the reality of which becomes complex in how it would work, given the desire to want to promote football in less traditional/economically powerful nations. But this is also not something that we as a national football side should be concerned with. It is up to FIFA to decide on this and, the last time I checked, they couldn't care less what nationality the manager was. Therefore, it would be stupid of us to not exploit this given the void of talent currently available in our own pool.

My overbearing feeling towards this is that the media constantly refer to the England job as the hardest job in football yet are constantly pushing and screaming for underqualified and inexperienced English managers to enter into. I would also love for there to be an English manager that will be good enough to take the hot seat and lead us to a trophy, but obtaining this position should be the end goal of years of hard work and graft for managers that have learned their trade and earnt the position, rather than being gifted it based on their passport and industry connections. 

I really hope Tuchel does well, if only because any percieved failure will only be used as fuel for the fire these media idiots have lit, to prove that they were right all along. When the reality is, English coaches need to pull their finger out their ass so that we aren't having this conversation in 10 years time. 

Outstanding post Niall. Bang on, on all points.