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Ake qualifies for HG or something like that (I always get all the different designations confused) by staying at Chelsea this season, which is why we chose not to send hm on loan.  Hopefully he'll get a couple cameos this season.

 

Wouldn't he still be considered HG if he went out on loan to a different team in England? Surely he could fit in at a Championship side, probably a few Prem teams that would be happy to have him as well.

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Wouldn't he still be considered HG if he went out on loan to a different team in England? Surely he could fit in at a Championship side, probably a few Prem teams that would be happy to have him as well.

 

I think players have to have spent 3 years in your academy set up before the age of 21 to qualify as homegrown.

 

I could be wrong but the likes of Piazon would not qualify under the HG rule because of loan spells away from the club. 

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I think players have to have spent 3 years in your academy set up before the age of 21 to qualify as homegrown.

 

I could be wrong but the likes of Piazon would not qualify under the HG rule because of loan spells away from the club. 

They just have to spend 3 full seasons playing in england before their 21st birthday. For example if an english club were to sign fabregas he's be home grown. it doesnt have to be in any particular club or academy

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I'll copy and paste for those who don't want to clink on a Daily Mail link:

 

Chelsea are doing things differently at academy level and they don’t need Greg Dyke’s FA commission to advise them.
They have changed their philosophy, altering their recruitment process to bring through a wave of potential England players.
The same can be said at Southampton, where the head of football development Les Reed promotes English talent at their Staplewood training ground.
 
Three of the graduates – James Ward-Prowse, Luke Shaw and Calum Chambers – are in the first team squad. More are on the way.
At Chelsea, no-one is getting carried away at their Cobham training centre, but the selection process for next year’s Under-10 intake is already well underway.
Jim Fraser, who works under academy director Neil Bath, has been quietly working in the background on the next generation of potential Chelsea players.
They are under a bit of pressure to bring one through, particularly as John Terry is the last player to successfully make the transition from youth team to the first XI.
Terry’s first professional contract was in 1997 and Chelsea’s record since isn’t great. They have decided to do something about it.
The make-up of most teams at Under 10 level, or thereabouts, is full of players born between September and Christmas.
Often they are bigger, stronger and more powerful than those born after Christmas. They crush the opposition and post eye-catching results, but it’s fool's gold.
The big lads can pulverise teams in friendlies through sheer size. Many of them are athletes first and footballers second.
Chelsea have changed the emphasis, targeting technical players who can work at high speed in small areas.
The get-out-of-jail card in tight situations is a sweet touch and Chelsea are on the look out for players possessing those attributes. The physical development will naturally take care of itself over time.
As they progress through Chelsea’s academy, they will work one-on-one with coaches and will be given video and DVD analysis of their game.
They will play in different positions other than their favoured role in the team to give them a greater appreciation of the game, an idea borrowed from Ajax’s Toekomst academy on the outskirts of Amsterdam.
 
Some of the biggest challenges for the top clubs is the shift in preferred positions for young players. Every young kid in England these days wants to be a No 10.
That is the influence of Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney in the modern game.
They are seduced at an early age by the images of the world’s top players slicing through defences on PlayStations and Xboxes. When it comes to the real thing, that’s where they want to play, too.
Chelsea’s academy is regarded as the best in the world because of its state-of-the-art facility and its development programme.
To get a player ‘across the road’ – which is how training ground staff describe taking a player from the academy building to the first team – has always been the biggest challenge.
There are high hopes that Kasey Palmer, who was signed from Charlton midway through last season, can make the transition.
He is another No 10, starring for England’s Under 19 team in their 4-0 victory over Hungary on Monday. He is, by all accounts, top drawer.
 
Chelsea’s approach is subtle, well ahead of the FA commission and Dyke’s honourable intentions to save the national team from oblivion.
The game-changer is at the lowest and youngest age level, where young talent needs to be nurtured and encouraged to blossom under expert coaching.
Chelsea have that and so do Southampton, who are well advanced with their own development programme.
It’s no accident that they often boast six English players in their starting line-up for a Barclays Premier League match.
This is something chairman Nicola Cortese and the rest of Southampton’s staff feel passionately about.
 
They are spending some big money at their training ground in Hampshire to make further improvements and to ensure they remain a big draw for young talent.
Reed was a former FA man, someone who will be well aware of the frustrations of working for a traditionally conservative body.
Dyke’s commission is unlikely to report its finding until the new year, by which time there will only be eight years until England are expected to win the World Cup in Qatar.
That was his target when he set up the body to save the national team and secure its future.
If he had taken time scratch beneath the surface, he would have discovered that top clubs have already made a start.
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Really  good article and proof that at last youth football is and more importantly can move away from being results based.  Nice to see Chelsea at the forefront of an improvement in youth coaching.

 

One interesting point though; Ward-Prowse is considered a success at Southampton for "regularly being around the first team squad", yet Ryan Bertrand isn't considered a success at Chelsea???

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All well and good being praised for having a good academy, but we need to start trusting some of these players in the first team. Players like Josh, Chalobah, Bertrand, etc... could be playing a much bigger part for us than they currently are/have been, if only a manager would trust them enough.

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Ake and Baker are consistently the best players on the pitch for the U21s. If one of them can't make the transition, we are doing something badly wrong.

 

A few apps from Ake and a bench for Baker so far, hopefully they will get a few appearances at some point this season. The U21's in my opinion is full of tremendous talent with the goalkeeper (Beeney) and left back (Wright) sticking out like sore thumbs (unless Blackman is playing, or Ake is at LB). 

 

Feruz seems to have gone off the boil a bit, but John Swift is in amazing form, and Izzy Brown has made a great start. Surely one of this crop can be the long awaited post-Terry graduate from the academy? I seriously hope so..

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Piazon is an amazing talent, he really stood out in the pre-season too when I saw him live.  However, I can't help but feel he'll move on.  I don't think he's on the same level as any of Hazard, Mata, Oscar or Schurrle.  I'd rate him in the same league as KDB and we all see how hard it is for him to get into the side.

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Piazon is an amazing talent, he really stood out in the pre-season too when I saw him live.  However, I can't help but feel he'll move on.  I don't think he's on the same level as any of Hazard, Mata, Oscar or Schurrle.  I'd rate him in the same league as KDB and we all see how hard it is for him to get into the side.

Haven't really seen enough of him to make any judgement, however he is still only 19 and I think he has a contract to 2017 so he has a few years yet to step up.

Would really love to see him make it; he looks like a footballer.

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Haven't really seen enough of him to make any judgement, however he is still only 19 and I think he has a contract to 2017 so he has a few years yet to step up.

Would really love to see him make it; he looks like a footballer.

Didn't know he had that long a contract with us. Good to know

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According yo the forest site he's had 4 starts.

 

From 15. Not really good. Was he injured? If he's simply not getting playing time then we have to recall him in January, it's not like he's not good enough for the Championship, he was excellent for Watford last season.

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From 15. Not really good. Was he injured? If he's simply not getting playing time then we have to recall him in January, it's not like he's not good enough for the Championship, he was excellent for Watford last season.

missed a few with injury, and had a suspension but he's fallen out of favour after a poor performance against yeovil, and its looking likely he'l be recalled early.

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