Get a grip you muppet! Only showing up in big games. Jesus H Christ, what a twonk. THAT'S WHAT BIG PLAYERS DO!!!!!!!! THAT'S WHAT WINS TROPHIES!!!!

The day Torres has a game like Drogba did last season against Napoli, come back and bore us all a bit more.

F*ck me I don't think I have been so wound up as I have been reading your posts on Torres today. What planet are you on talking about Drogba like that? You deserve to have Torres up front for the next ten years.

Don't be so god damn sensitive. We all love Drogs. I'm not slagging him.

You don't get the point then. I said in a readable size fonts I'm not comparing wheter who is better of the two I'm just so pissed of to people here who give no credit Torres who tries his best every game. Can't you see it?!? I know it is not going to win you titles probably the same way Drogs did for us but you are f**king depressing. You just bash him, he's already down. I know he gets compensated and he can only blame himself but he can't do right. We are talking about a current Chelsea player.

He doesn't fit the team and he should go but give him credit when its due.

Are you all so wound up because of Rafa you can't read these post anymore? Can't wait for the day he's gone...

The thing is, we have such a calendar ahead that there will be plenty of time for both him and Ba to play.

 

If he wants another chance this is it.

I think Torres does deserve some credit for last night. He actually looked like a footballer in the last 30mins.

 

However, comparing him and Drogba in any sense is beyond the pale.

Don't be so god damn sensitive. We all love Drogs. I'm not slagging him.

You don't get the point then. I said in a readable size fonts I'm not comparing wheter who is better of the two I'm just so pissed of to people here who give no credit Torres who tries his best every game. Can't you see it?!? I know it is not going to win you titles probably the same way Drogs did for us but you are f**king depressing. You just bash him, he's already down. I know he gets compensated and he can only blame himself but he can't do right. We are talking about a current Chelsea player.

He doesn't fit the team and he should go but give him credit when its due.

Are you all so wound up because of Rafa you can't read these post anymore? Can't wait for the day he's gone...

this is a torres thread

torres has been beyond atrocious for us since he arrived

therefore bad things get posted about torres in the torres thread

cant handle it, then get out.

Does anyone think he's got time to redeem himself?

What if he scores the winner against Tottenham or United?

 

No, not a chance he can redeem himself. What he can do is be productive enough to a) shed the label of "worst transfer in football history" and b) convince some other club to take him off of our hands. 

Don't be so god damn sensitive. We all love Drogs. I'm not slagging him.

You don't get the point then. I said in a readable size fonts I'm not comparing wheter who is better of the two I'm just so pissed of to people here who give no credit Torres who tries his best every game. Can't you see it?!? I know it is not going to win you titles probably the same way Drogs did for us but you are f**king depressing. You just bash him, he's already down. I know he gets compensated and he can only blame himself but he can't do right. We are talking about a current Chelsea player.

He doesn't fit the team and he should go but give him credit when its due.

Are you all so wound up because of Rafa you can't read these post anymore? Can't wait for the day he's gone...

 

Torres should god damned well try his best when he's earning £170,000 per week. That's over £24,000 per day to play a game. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who complain about athletes making too much money, but I don't think "trying hard" should ever be a valid defense of someone making that much. Trying hard is the absolute least you expect from any player, let alone a "star".

 

Torres doesn't fit the team because he's bad. He doesn't fit the team because his legs, as well as his confidence, are gone. This isn't the case of a quality player let down by the system he plays in. Torres has played in various lineups, under various managers, with various teammates and the one constant is that he's been bad. Not a big game player by any stretch of the imagination, let alone comparable to Drogba. As for giving him the credit he's due, I will right now:

 

Fernando,

 

Hi. That goal against Newcastle was really something. Thanks for winning the corner that Drogba scored on in the Champions League. Alright, now that I've given you credit, please leave. Thanks.

 

Sincerely,

Brandinho

Edited March 15, 201313 yr by That Boy Brandinho

Don't be so god damn sensitive. We all love Drogs. I'm not slagging him.

You don't get the point then. I said in a readable size fonts I'm not comparing wheter who is better of the two I'm just so pissed of to people here who give no credit Torres who tries his best every game. Can't you see it?!? I know it is not going to win you titles probably the same way Drogs did for us but you are f**king depressing. You just bash him, he's already down. I know he gets compensated and he can only blame himself but he can't do right. We are talking about a current Chelsea player.

He doesn't fit the team and he should go but give him credit when its due.

Are you all so wound up because of Rafa you can't read these post anymore? Can't wait for the day he's gone...

 

 

No, I don't get the point, because you don't have one. And just to add there is no probably about it. I'm sure every single one of us is extremely grateful that Torres is, (apparently), trying his best every game. That's a relief. But wonderful as that is, it most definately isn't going to win us titles and trophies like Drogba's regular big match performances did. Reason; the huge gulf in ability and mental and physical strength between the two players.

 

Despite the obvious "victimisation" spin you are trying to inject Torres has, as far as I can see reading most people's posts, been given credit for his performance against Steau the other night.

 

My own opinion is he was his usual self, practically anonymous with no telling influence on the game, until he scored in the 72nd minute. To his credit it was a well taken goal and an important one too, getting us to the Qtr final. From there on, especially after he got kicked in the face, he had his angry head on and ran around like his arse was on fire and played well. It wasn't a brilliant performance. It definately wasn't a MOTM performance to rank above Hazard, Mata, Cole or Ramires' contributions. But it was a 20 minute cameo that was better than anything we have seen from him for a very, very, very long time.

Edited March 16, 201313 yr by just

Again you separate the odd minutes from the end of the game like Drogba always gave 110% for the full 90mins.

Torres was completely anonymous and sh*t even most of the game(wait for the point...wait...wait) BUT he scored the winner like Drogba did so many times. Difference with our view is we never crucified Drogs like we do with Torres. There was bashing(for Drogba) and rightly so but not this dickless kick him when he's down type of shameful bashing.

We all agree on most points but as we all know we judge scorers by the goals. He scored one. Congratulate and wish him best for the next game.

Difference with our view is we never crucified Drogs like we do with Torres.

 

That's because Drogba always showed up when it mattered most. Torres hardly ever does. It really is as simple as that. Drogba would've got just as much stick as Torres does had he only decided to turn up for twenty minutes every couple of months. Oh and by the way, I don't buy that "Torres is trying his best". To me he is doing anything but that. He just doesn't look interested at all for the most part and his body language proves it.

 

That doesn't mean we don't wish him well. I'm sure the majority of us would love to see him perform well consistently but I think the point 'just' made earlier was that comparing Torres to Drogba is ridiculous in every sense of the word.

Edited March 16, 201313 yr by Amputechture

I give up. Torres bad, Drogba good. That's it I agree. Don't ever again mention those two in a same sentence, clear. Thanks for mentioning the forum rules.

I give up. Torres bad, Drogba good. That's it I agree. Don't ever again mention those two in a same sentence, clear. Thanks for mentioning the forum rules.

 

I was just stating my opinion, you're entitled one too.

I wish I had the time/energy/patience to look back though the threads from three or four years ago.  I do remember a time when there was a lot of moaning about Drogba's diving. Posters snarling "Get up, you w**ker!" and things to that effect.

 

Memories are short!

Funnily enough I was watching the season review dvd of 2005/6 the other night (Jose, Joe Cole, ah happy days - and Frank slamming in goal after goal, well some things don't change, but I digress...) and there were a couple of comments about fans getting on Drog's back over diving and handballing to score.  He did get some stick and I do remember occasional frustration in smaller games when he was fairly anonymous.  But Torres is completely different - we gave him two years of non-stop support before losing patience FFS.  Credit where credit's due, we won on Thursday because of him but as others have said, he's a striker, that's what he should be doing week in week out with only the occasional hiccup.

Edited March 16, 201313 yr by Beerqueen

I don't have patience for him either. He doesn't fit Chelsea Football Club for a number of reasons. But as long as he is here we need to support him because we need everything he has to offer and lot more.

I also think Rafa is a big reason for people reacting even harder on anything Torres fails at. We need the w**ker out and I hope we find a team we can offload Torres to after this horrible season of football.

I certainly don't agree with booing him - and of course when he plays I want him to do well, but I'd rather he didn't play of course.  And I agree about Benitez being the turning point for people turning against Torres.  It was for me.  Illogical but I did blame him for RDM going and the interim coming.

I can't believe people actually think Torres tries hard every game. I couldn't imagine anything further from the truth.

I can't believe people actually think Torres tries hard every game. I couldn't imagine anything further from the truth.

It looks that way from what I've seen. He just concentrates to wrong things on the pitch imo.

He started his career being crap but at least he tried hard, this season he's been crap and not even tried most of the time. and this is coming from somebody who actually likes Torres.

Drogba definitely had a lot of games where he clearly didn't give a sh*t, he made up for it with countless moments of brilliance only he could pull off, but to say there weren't times he was lazy and/or arrogant is clearly looking through blue tinted specs.

 

And for people saying every player goes through that, I don't recall Lampard having many games like that over the years, and I don't think Mata has ever had a game where it didn't look like he was trying.

 

I love him all the same though and rightly so.

Drogba definitely had a lot of games where he clearly didn't give a sh*t, he made up for it with countless moments of brilliance only he could pull off, but to say there weren't times he was lazy and/or arrogant is clearly looking through blue tinted specs.

 

And for people saying every player goes through that, I don't recall Lampard having many games like that over the years, and I don't think Mata has ever had a game where it didn't look like he was trying.

 

I love him all the same though and rightly so.

 

 

If you had levelled that accusation at Drogba's predecessor JFH I would have fully concured. But aiming it at Drogba is complete and utter rubbish IMO.

 

The fact that Drogba is widely recognized as one of the the most defensively valuable centre-forwards to have ever played the game blows that fabrication clean out of the water. How many times did he get back and pop with up with vital headers, tackles or clearances in and around our own penalty box? If, as you say, he had "lots of games where he clearly didn't give a sh*t", why did he bother working so hard defensively in practically every game he ever played for us?

 

Yep, there were games he didn't play well, but that happens to every player who has ever kicked a ball. Even Frank. There were times his touch let him down. There were often occaisions he went over too easily. But there were rarely, (if any), games where Drogba strolled around like he clearly didn't give a sh*t. I challenge you to list six such games. Shouldn't be hard considering he played 341 times for us.

 

And let me tell you, at the start of his Chelsea career, Drogba was treated very poorly by many of the Chelsea fans at Stamford Bridge who either didn't know enough  about football to see what he was contributing to the team, or because of his theatrical on-field personnae, took an instant dislike to him and therefore chose to ignore how hard he was working for the cause. To their shame he never received even a fraction of the patience and support Torres has had. And still he came through and delievered. Right from that first season. Tells you all you need to know about the difference between the two players IMO.

Edited March 16, 201313 yr by just

Just. I get it you are big Drogba fan. You know what, me too. Most of us here are for obvious reasons. You don't have to list what he did for us but he had times where he clearly wasn't too interested. There is no need defending Drogba. The man is a legend. You some of that energy to see the positives in Torres.

I think inside, many of us really would like to see Torres turn it around. Not all of us I'm sure, but many of us. Imagine a Torres at his most lethal, Ba, and Lukaku. I would take that in a heartbeat.

 

Unfortunately, after more than two years, Nando is just a shell of what he once was. He had a great 30 minutes and I'll take it. Matter of fact, I'd enjoy seeing much more of it. However, if it's really more "1 goal in 16 matches" lapses after this good 30 minutes, then I'll pass and maybe it's time for him to go in the summer.

 

I know this will sound harsh, but maybe he does need a jolt more often. He's got an outstanding club, that wins trophies, to succeed at. Why he would want to sulk, leave, mope, whine, complain, or really anything negative is beyond me.

 

A few months and a couple of trophies still in play. Leaving or not, hopefully he can give us a good end to the season.

If you had levelled that accusation at Drogba's predecessor JFH I would have fully concured. But aiming it at Drogba is complete and utter rubbish IMO.

The fact that Drogba is widely recognized as one of the the most defensively valuable centre-forwards to have ever played the game blows that fabrication clean out of the water. How many times did he get back and pop with up with vital headers, tackles or clearances in and around our own penalty box? If, as you say, he had "lots of games where he clearly didn't give a sh*t", why did he bother working so hard defensively in practically every game he ever played for us?

Yep, there were games he didn't play well, but that happens to every player who has ever kicked a ball. Even Frank. There were times his touch let him down. There were often occaisions he went over too easily. But there were rarely, (if any), games where Drogba strolled around like he clearly didn't give a sh*t. I challenge you to list six such games. Shouldn't be hard considering he played 341 times for us.

And let me tell you, at the start of his Chelsea career, Drogba was treated very poorly by many of the Chelsea fans at Stamford Bridge who either didn't know enough about football to see what he was contributing to the team, or because of his theatrical on-field personnae, took an instant dislike to him and therefore chose to ignore how hard he was working for the cause. To their shame he never received even a fraction of the patience and support Torres has had. And still he came through and delievered. Right from that first season. Tells you all you need to know about the difference between the two players IMO.

The fans got on drogba's back more for diving then he's performance.

If you had levelled that accusation at Drogba's predecessor JFH I would have fully concured. But aiming it at Drogba is complete and utter rubbish IMO.

 

The fact that Drogba is widely recognized as one of the the most defensively valuable centre-forwards to have ever played the game blows that fabrication clean out of the water. How many times did he get back and pop with up with vital headers, tackles or clearances in and around our own penalty box? If, as you say, he had "lots of games where he clearly didn't give a sh*t", why did he bother working so hard defensively in practically every game he ever played for us?

 

Yep, there were games he didn't play well, but that happens to every player who has ever kicked a ball. Even Frank. There were times his touch let him down. There were often occaisions he went over too easily. But there were rarely, (if any), games where Drogba strolled around like he clearly didn't give a sh*t. I challenge you to list six such games. Shouldn't be hard considering he played 341 times for us.

 

And let me tell you, at the start of his Chelsea career, Drogba was treated very poorly by many of the Chelsea fans at Stamford Bridge who either didn't know enough  about football to see what he was contributing to the team, or because of his theatrical on-field personnae, took an instant dislike to him and therefore chose to ignore how hard he was working for the cause. To their shame he never received even a fraction of the patience and support Torres has had. And still he came through and delievered. Right from that first season. Tells you all you need to know about the difference between the two players IMO.

 

f**king good post 

The fans got on drogba's back more for diving then he's performance.

 

 

Graham, there is some truth in that. But then Drogba had a huge physical presence and normally never gave defenders a moments piece. Opposition defenders were rightly scared of him and as a result he got some truly awful kickings that refs, probably because of his size and the way he complained to them, often didn't give him adequate protection from. Also Arjen Robben regularly went down quicker than Linda Lovelace and was about as brave as the Lion in the Wizard of Oz and yet..............unlike Drogba..............the fans at Stamford Bridge loved him to bits right from the off.

 

Evissy, yes I have been a Chelsea fan for over 40 years and was a massive Drogba fan. Right from the first game I saw him play I saw what he could be for us and never wavered in my support for him. IMO it will probably be a very long time before we get another centre-forward as good at leading the line and probably longer to find another centre-forward with his all-round game.

 

By contrast, for two and a bit years now I have, like most other people, kept looking for similar positives in Torres. Unfortunately, he is very good at hiding them. So much so that I have come to the conclusion that, like the Emporer's new clothes, they aren't actually there at all. And people saying he was "brilliant" or he was "MOTM" after one well taken goal and a brief 20 minute cameo that was his only worthwhile contribution in nearly three months of football, is not gonna convince me otherwise. So I'm gonna have to rely on people like you to keep pointing them out until I am fortunate enough to see them myself on a fairly regular basis.