14 hours ago, Stim said:

That is two time CL champion Alvaro Morata, ready to tear up the Scottish league

Ross Turnbull has won the Champions league, doesn't mean he's any good. 

Scored again for Belgium with a penalty. 

He's been in good scoring form coming into this season... Hopefully it continues! 

I have the feeling this will be his best scoring season, he just looked keen to shoot, in the past he was way too much of a team player when in good position.

That Martinz is such a c*, 3:0 up and he still played Hazard for almost 90 minutes, really fear Hazard will get an injury in one of those meaningless International game this season.

On 12/09/2018 at 19:19, RIP Mourinho said:

Ross Turnbull has won the Champions league, doesn't mean he's any good. 

How many goals has Ross Turnbull scored in Champions league finals?

 

 

 

Or knocking out Real in the semi finals

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, kiwi1691 said:

How many goals has Ross Turnbull scored in Champions league finals?

 

 

 

Or knocking out Real in the semi finals

 

 

 

Neither goal showcases any talent. Give that chance to Torres and he'd finish it too. 

A few more 'not very good players scoring big goals' videos for you:

 

6 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Neither goal showcases any talent. Give that chance to Torres and he'd finish it too. 

A few more 'not very good players scoring big goals' videos for you:

 

"Neither of the goals showcase any talent"

Oh mate behave yourself, I guess being in the right place at the right time counts for nothing these days eh

3 hours ago, Slojo said:

"Neither of the goals showcase any talent"

Oh mate behave yourself, I guess being in the right place at the right time counts for nothing these days eh

Batshuayi's main talent was being in the right place at the right time and everyone came to the conclusion that he wasn't Chelsea standard. If being in the right place at the right time was all a striker needed Bats would have a Balon D'or by now.

Both goals shown are literally just tap ins with no defenders closing him down once the ball has bounced around the box a bit. Could have ended up anywhere, not like Morata thought 'i better move here to make space for myself.' The first one he's stood waiting and only has space once the defender makes a move to the ball, Morata doesn't even look ready for it. The second one, if you follow him in the build up he's not actively looking for space, he's just walking around. Once again the ball lands for him, like it will for any striker at some point. 

Be honest with yourself now, are you honestly trying to say they're skillful goals and the sign of a top striker or just trying to disagree with anything i put again. It's a bit pathetic pal, think you need to grow up and move on now.

23 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Batshuayi's main talent was being in the right place at the right time and everyone came to the conclusion that he wasn't Chelsea standard. If being in the right place at the right time was all a striker needed Bats would have a Balon D'or by now.

Both goals shown are literally just tap ins with no defenders closing him down once the ball has bounced around the box a bit. Could have ended up anywhere, not like Morata thought 'i better move here to make space for myself.' The first one he's stood waiting and only has space once the defender makes a move to the ball, Morata doesn't even look ready for it. The second one, if you follow him in the build up he's not actively looking for space, he's just walking around. Once again the ball lands for him, like it will for any striker at some point. 

Be honest with yourself now, are you honestly trying to say they're skillful goals and the sign of a top striker or just trying to disagree with anything i put again. It's a bit pathetic pal, think you need to grow up and move on now.

Nobody has ever said Batsuayi's goal-scoring ability was not Chelsea standard, they said his overall play wasn't, and I've never really been on that train anyway I like batman but I don't think he's a much better alternative to Morata.

Stop being a baby, the world doesn't revolve around you, every time I make a post you think anything I say is about you or I'm having a diss, you're the one who needs to grow up. What did you say in the other thread? "@ me next time" who even says things like that? You need to get a grip.  

24 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Nobody has ever said Batsuayi's goal-scoring ability was not Chelsea standard, they said his overall play wasn't, and I've never really been on that train anyway I like batman but I don't think he's a much better alternative to Morata.

Stop being a baby, the world doesn't revolve around you, every time I make a post you think anything I say is about you or I'm having a diss, you're the one who needs to grow up. What did you say in the other thread? "@ me next time" who even says things like that? You need to get a grip.  

Are you even going to try and argue that those finishes by Morata were high standard or have you gave up on that bit and just agreed you were disagreeing for the sake of it?

Everything you say is about me, and yes you should have just @'d me instead of indirecting. The world doesn't revolve around me but your life clearly does. I'm flattered, truly. I never realised someones personal opinions could affect someones life so much that every post they make on a forum is a snide remark about another poster. Anyway, take it to PM if you're gonna be a little girl about it and start crying, we don't need to air our dirty laundry in public. If not, we'll leave it here.

10 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Are you even going to try and argue that those finishes by Morata were high standard or have you gave up on that bit and just agreed you were disagreeing for the sake of it?

Everything you say is about me, and yes you should have just @'d me instead of indirecting. The world doesn't revolve around me but your life clearly does. I'm flattered, truly. I never realised someones personal opinions could affect someones life so much that every post they make on a forum is a snide remark about another poster. Anyway, take it to PM if you're gonna be a little girl about it and start crying, we don't need to air our dirty laundry in public. If not, we'll leave it here.

You're on this forum a lot more than I am fella, but sure make it out like you've got stalkers, first it was Yorkley, then DKW now it's me who's harassing you, I wonder who it'll be next. As for the PM you literally asked me to speak to you directly so I did to settle the dispute. You need to calm yourself down. 

And no, I'm saying you being hyperbolic and continuously unfair in your arguments as you usually are isn't a valid argument. You said "Neither of the goals showcase any talent" when that's simply not true, and your rebuttal for that when called out on it "But.. But.. people on here said Michy..." whatever, it's not an argument. You're like a child when you don't rate a player with the typical black/white perspective, they're either amazingly good and can do no wrong, or absolutely sh*t and can do no good. I'll just wait for you to bring up Bakayoko in order to derail the discussion again. 

Edited September 14, 20187 yr by Slojo

7 minutes ago, Slojo said:

You're on this forum a lot more than I am fella, but sure make it out like you've got stalkers, first it was Yorkley, then DKW now it's me who's harassing you, I wonder who it'll be next. As for the PM you literally asked me to speak to you directly so I did to settle the dispute. You need to calm yourself down. 

And no, I'm saying you being hyperbolic and continuously unfair in your arguments as you usually are isn't a valid argument. You said "Neither of the goals showcase any talent" when that's simply not true, and your rebuttal for that when called out on it "But.. But.. people on here said Michy..." whatever, it's not an argument. You're like a child when you don't rate a player like it's black/white, they're either amazingly good and can do no wrong, or absolutely sh*t and can do no good. I'll just wait for you to bring up Bakayoko in order to derail the discussion again. 

I said take it to PM if you wanted to get upset yet here we still are..

YB and DKW did publicly disagree with me often on here, not so much anymore and i actually respect YB quite a lot now. Its just you and that Australian bloke that seem to take personal offence at my posts now and go out their way to indirect me and disagree with posts for no reason. Take the above post for example, there was no skill in that finish whatsoever yet you decide to wade in and tell me to behave myself and disagree. Tell me what skill?

As for me using Bats as an example, that's exactly what you do with Alonso. Someone calls him out on something and you give it the old 'oh but no one calls out Jorginho etc. on the same things' or 'oh Jorginho did more errors against Arsenal, don't call my precious Alonso'. Bit hypocritical. 

Anyway, do you actually want to talk about Morata or keep taking digs at me? Kind of proving my point that you're just here to disagree with me. 

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I said take it to PM if you wanted to get upset yet here we still are..

YB and DKW did publicly disagree with me often on here, not so much anymore and i actually respect YB quite a lot now. Its just you and that Australian bloke that seem to take personal offence at my posts now and go out their way to indirect me and disagree with posts for no reason. Take the above post for example, there was no skill in that finish whatsoever yet you decide to wade in and tell me to behave myself and disagree. Tell me what skill?

As for me using Bats as an example, that's exactly what you do with Alonso. Someone calls him out on something and you give it the old 'oh but no one calls out Jorginho etc. on the same things' or 'oh Jorginho did more errors against Arsenal, don't call my precious Alonso'. Bit hypocritical. 

Anyway, do you actually want to talk about Morata or keep taking digs at me? Kind of proving my point that you're just here to disagree with me. 

Positioning & reactions. Being in the right place at the right time, in football you might have noticed a lot of strikers work on a shooters angle for deflections. If Hazard is going for a shot on the right side, particularly across goal, Giroud or Morata will get close to the keeper and stay on the left in hopes of a deflection which will more than likely go on the left-hand side. 

Not sure why I have to state this but here you go. Most of Harry Kane's goals are actually pretty ugly goals, but he gets them more than anyone because he loves to be in the right place at the right time. I guess that's just luck in your case and not a talent/skill. 

Nope, that's not what I do with Alonso at all, what I said was relevant and uhm guess what? It was in the Alonso thread. People were criticising Alonso for Arsenals chances because many of the squared balls were coming from the right side, when in reality if you go over the highlights, you'll see it actually wasn't Alonso, Alonso was in position, Jorginho failed to track Mikhitaryan and Iwobi on two separate occasions which lead to one goal and one huge chance. There were 3 errors by Jorginho off the top of my head, I'll happily go over it for you in the Marcos Alonso thread if you wish, I have the full match saved on my hard drive. 

And finally me disagreeing with you is not synonymous with "taking digs" at you, that sounds pretty pathetic. I'm very critical of Morata lately, particularly after that Bournemouth game but I give credit where credit is due, you should do the same. If you're going to criticise Morata do it correctly, not undermine the goals he's scored from being in the right place at the right time. Pretty stupid if you ask me, considering all the ammunition he's supplied in his Chelsea career for criticism and you take that angle, one might think you have an agenda. 

2 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Positioning & reactions. Being in the right place at the right time, in football you might have noticed a lot of strikers work on a shooters angle for deflections. If Hazard is going for a shot on the right side, particularly across goal, Giroud or Morata will get close to the keeper and stay on the left in hopes of a deflection which will more than likely go on the left-hand side. 

Not sure why I have to state this but here you go. Most of Harry Kane's goals are actually pretty ugly goals, but he gets them more than anyone because he loves to be in the right place at the right time. I guess that's just luck in your case and not a talent/skill. 

Nope, that's not what I do with Alonso at all, what I said was relevant and uhm guess what? It was in the Alonso thread. People were criticising Alonso for Arsenals chances because many of the squared balls were coming from the right side, when in reality if you go over the highlights, you'll see it actually wasn't Alonso, Alonso was in position, Jorginho failed to track Mikhitaryan and Iwobi on two separate occasions which lead to one goal and one huge chance. There were 3 errors by Jorginho off the top of my head, I'll happily go over it for you in the Marcos Alonso thread if you wish, I have the full match saved on my hard drive. 

And finally me disagreeing with you is not synonymous with "taking digs" at you, that sounds pretty pathetic. I'm very critical of Morata lately, particularly after that Bournemouth game but I give credit where credit is due, you should do the same. If you're going to criticise Morata do it correctly, not undermine the goals he's scored from being in the right place at the right time. Pretty stupid if you ask me, considering all the ammunition he's supplied in his Chelsea career for criticism and you take that angle, one might think you have an agenda. 

Proper clutching at straws now. I've already given my explanations on his positioning and reactions is laughable. Its not like the ball is fired at him.

Ah yes, an actual world class striker that does it almost every game. Not sure what this has to do with Morata though? If Morata had a fraction of Kane's skill in these areas we might be alright. Doing it a couple of times = luck. Doing it consistently = skill. Got it?

And i can think of a squared ball from Bellerin that, thankfully, Auba smashed over an open goal when Alonso failed to track his man that owuld have made it 1-1. You deflected from Alonso's mistakes by trying to point out someone else was wrong too. Why is it okay for one person to make a mistake and not another? Also, it should have been Barkley tracking the runs down the side, not Jorginho. Its like Alonso making a mistake or people discussing it physically hurts you or something. 

I will give credit where credit is due, much like with Alonso i've stated he's started the season well with us having the majority of possession and have included him in all my preferred starting 11's. I will not give credit to Morata just for the sake of it because he's been of absolutely no use to the team this year. Those goals are absolutely nothing special, other than the fact they were in big games. 

18 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Proper clutching at straws now. I've already given my explanations on his positioning and reactions is laughable. Its not like the ball is fired at him.

Ah yes, an actual world class striker that does it almost every game. Not sure what this has to do with Morata though? If Morata had a fraction of Kane's skill in these areas we might be alright. Doing it a couple of times = luck. Doing it consistently = skill. Got it?

And i can think of a squared ball from Bellerin that, thankfully, Auba smashed over an open goal when Alonso failed to track his man that owuld have made it 1-1. You deflected from Alonso's mistakes by trying to point out someone else was wrong too. Why is it okay for one person to make a mistake and not another? Also, it should have been Barkley tracking the runs down the side, not Jorginho. Its like Alonso making a mistake or people discussing it physically hurts you or something. 

I will give credit where credit is due, much like with Alonso i've stated he's started the season well with us having the majority of possession and have included him in all my preferred starting 11's. I will not give credit to Morata just for the sake of it because he's been of absolutely no use to the team this year. Those goals are absolutely nothing special, other than the fact they were in big games. 

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Jesus christ, "Its not like the ball is fired at him." that's why it's called positioning, getting yourself into the right position so no matter the speed of the ball you aren't too close or far away or near defenders from putting it in the back of the net... 

And Bellerin was offside, as you can see, Alonso was in the same position as Azpilicueta, David Luiz is actually the furthest man ahead but even so the linesman should have done his job correctly that's a very easy offside. 

 

Am I deflecting again for stating the facts? Or are you going to make more false equivalencies to label me a hypocrite because you and only you yourself are guilty of deflecting and whataboutery. What I said was very relevant and still is, Alonso was not at fault for the Arsenal chances, other players were and that's a fact, that's not a deflection. I'll happily show you the times when Jorginho left Mikhitaryan free on the byline when he was the only player not marking & falling asleep on the edge of the box. 

"I will give credit where credit is due" is probably the funniest thing you've ever said. 

 

6 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Jesus christ, "Its not like the ball is fired at him." that's why it's called positioning, getting yourself into the right position so no matter the speed of the ball you aren't too close or far away or near defenders from putting it in the back of the net... 

And Bellerin was offside, as you can see, Alonso was in the same position as Azpilicueta, David Luiz is actually the furthest man ahead but even so the linesman should have done his job correctly that's a very easy offside. 

 

Am I deflecting again for stating the facts? Or are you going to make more false equivalencies to label me a hypocrite because you and only you yourself are guilty of deflecting and whataboutery. What I said was very relevant and still is, Alonso was not at fault for the Arsenal chances, other players were and that's a fact, that's not a deflection. I'll happily show you the times when Jorginho left Mikhitaryan free on the byline when he was the only player not marking & falling asleep on the edge of the box. 

"I will give credit where credit is due" is probably the funniest thing you've ever said. 

 

I'm clearly talking about reactions when i speak about the ball not being fired at him. You mentioned it took good reactions, it quite clearly doesn't. 

Better yet, Alonso can play narrower like Sarri likes and the pass never gets through in the first place. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as we're still early into Sarriball but its still a mistake on his behalf. He'll learn in time.

Was i not too stating facts when i mentioned Batshuayi? Or does it only work for you? You used facts to detract from other facts. Alonso WAS at fault, as were many other players. Alonso was also at fault for Newcastle's goal for walking to close down the man, but Luiz got all the blame. Both were at fault for not playing to the whistle. I can show you plenty of videos of players walking past Alonso too. 

Just ignoring the fact i've gave credit to Alonso all season for his attacking play when, according to you, i have some kind of agenda against him? You're boring me now.

5 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I'm clearly talking about reactions when i speak about the ball not being fired at him. You mentioned it took good reactions, it quite clearly doesn't. 

Better yet, Alonso can play narrower like Sarri likes and the pass never gets through in the first place. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as we're still early into Sarriball but its still a mistake on his behalf. He'll learn in time.

Was i not too stating facts when i mentioned Batshuayi? Or does it only work for you? You used facts to detract from other facts. Alonso WAS at fault, as were many other players. Alonso was also at fault for Newcastle's goal for walking to close down the man, but Luiz got all the blame. Both were at fault for not playing to the whistle. I can show you plenty of videos of players walking past Alonso too. 

Just ignoring the fact i've gave credit to Alonso all season for his attacking play when, according to you, i have some kind of agenda against him? You're boring me now.

Let's not forget that this all started from you thinking that Morata couldn't cut it in the Scottish Premier League, I mean how much more do you want to exaggerate? I can't even give you the benefit of the doubt on this one because you've said some utterly ridiculous things regarding Morata. 

And yes it does take good reactions... If somebody shoots at goal and you're not looking and expecting it to go in you can easily not be in that position Morata was in. If you watch Morata isn't even hesitating or ball watching, he's doing his job as any striker would, you downplaying it is just pretty sad. If you did truly give credit where credit it is due you would give him even a tiny bit of credit for scoring that goal in a Champions League final of all places, an equaliser at that. He kept his head, strikers can quite clearly get carried away and get frustrated if somebody doesn't square the ball, we've seen it happen with Adebayor in his Arsenal games and then miss a clear tap in for a deflection because he was too busy whinging. 

And no you weren't stating facts on Batshuayi because I've never known anyone to discredit Michy for his goal-scoring abilities. Michy gets a lot of criticism on this forum, more than he should that I agree with, but never on his goal scoring, and I've never saw somebody say "all he does is score tap ins". What was Alonso at fault for? Not the Arsenal chance I've just shown you that clearly wasn't his fault, if anyone is out of position it's David Luiz, but primarily that is the linesman's fault because that's a very easy offside call. But when you play the highline and offside trap you risk that. 

Do you want me to give you a medal every time you say something obvious about Alonso? We all know he has very good attacking, my concern is whenever he does something wrong and this is the same with Morata you're the fastest one to criticise them and go overboard with your hyperbolic statements. Defensively he is not as bad as you say he is and it's obvious you want to point out his woes because you prefer Palmieri (who also is an awesome player who I want to see more of when he gets back into shape). But when I said you have an agenda I was clearly referring to Morata on this point, so you've got the two mixed up, bravo! Morata scored a goal and you still have an issue with it while claiming it took no skill whatsoever then when called out on that you derailed it with whataboutery that some muppet on the forum who I've never seen allegedly claimed the same you are. Again it's a crap argument, just give credit where credit is due, Morata's movement isn't actually that bad, it's one of his best attributes, it's just a shame his finishing can't share the same compliment. 

14 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Let's not forget that this all started from you thinking that Morata couldn't cut it in the Scottish Premier League, I mean how much more do you want to exaggerate? I can't even give you the benefit of the doubt on this one because you've said some utterly ridiculous things regarding Morata. 

And yes it does take good reactions... If somebody shoots at goal and you're not looking and expecting it to go in you can easily not be in that position Morata was in. If you watch Morata isn't even hesitating or ball watching, he's doing his job as any striker would, you downplaying it is just pretty sad. If you did truly give credit where credit it is due you would give him even a tiny bit of credit for scoring that goal in a Champions League final of all places, an equaliser at that. He kept his head, strikers can quite clearly get carried away and get frustrated if somebody doesn't square the ball, we've seen it happen with Adebayor in his Arsenal games and then miss a clear tap in for a deflection because he was too busy whinging. 

And no you weren't stating facts on Batshuayi because I've never known anyone to discredit Michy for his goal-scoring abilities. Michy gets a lot of criticism on this forum, more than he should that I agree with, but never on his goal scoring, and I've never saw somebody say "all he does is score tap ins". What was Alonso at fault for? Not the Arsenal chance I've just shown you that clearly wasn't his fault, if anyone is out of position it's David Luiz, but primarily that is the linesman's fault because that's a very easy offside call. But when you play the highline and offside trap you risk that. 

Do you want me to give you a medal every time you say something obvious about Alonso? We all know he has very good attacking, my concern is whenever he does something wrong and this is the same with Morata you're the fastest one to criticise them and go overboard with your hyperbolic statements. Defensively he is not as bad as you say he is and it's obvious you want to point out his woes because you prefer Palmieri (who also is an awesome player who I want to see more of when he gets back into shape). But when I said you have an agenda I was clearly referring to Morata on this point, so you've got the two mixed up, bravo! Morata scored a goal and you still have an issue with it while claiming it took no skill whatsoever then when called out on that you derailed it with whataboutery that some muppet on the forum who I've never seen allegedly claimed the same you are. Again it's a crap argument, just give credit where credit is due, Morata's movement isn't actually that bad, it's one of his best attributes, it's just a shame his finishing can't share the same compliment. 

Quote me where i said he couldn't cut it in the Scottish Premier league? I said his achievements with Real in the Champions league don't make him a good player, never said anything about the Scottish league. Think you're getting confused again.

Any human being with average reaction time could have finished the chance in the video above. Its not even a dig at Morata, its just a fact the ball bobbles towards him and he finishes it into an open goal. Why would a professional footballer not be looking? Do you understand what a reaction is? The situation of where the goal was, a Champions league final or his mates back yard, the point still stands that it doesn't take some level of superhuman reaction time to finish the chance. Weird that you're even trying to argue this. 

A large number of people on this forum alone said that Bats is good for finishing tap ins in the box and that's about it, i'll have a look on his thread this afternoon and find a few for you. Alonso is out of position, clearly. Why is he so wide? Sarri likes his back 4 to stay narrow and compact. Alonso has got scared that the man will have the run on him, which he would, and got drawn towards him instead of holding his position in the middle and stopping the pass. Its not even a major issue and he'll learn over time but its still his fault. Pointing out a fault in a player isn't a personal attack. People make mistakes, accept it. They can be called out on this without the world ending.

Yes, a medal would be nice. About time i got the recognition i deserve. Of course not you weirdo, you say i only ever discredit some players and never give them credit when its due. I give credit to Alonso and now its not important because its obvious he's good at attacking?? Make your mind up. I hadn't even mentioned that Alonso mistake in any thread until you started white knighting him and saying he's not made a mistake this season, i simply corrected your mistake. I'm still waiting for you, or anyone else, to point out how finishing a ball into an empty net took any kind of skill. I'd bet my bottom dollar that 90% could have finished that opportunity had they been in the same position. Its was used as an example of why he's a good player, but if he was a good player surely he'd be doing that every game? I'll credit Morata when he consistently proves he's a goalscorer worth £180k a week. One goal changes nothing, and if i DO have to give credit to Morata for a single goal then i'm allowed to discredit Alonso for a single mistake. Its got to work both ways, can't just be what you want. 

OK, enough already.   This is making my head spin.

What a poor use of server space

So glad that Chelsea football is back tomorrow and can't wait to watch this little Belgian magician ruin Cardiff lives!

Blimey that was interesting!

Someone tell those two this is the EDEN HAZARD thread Lol !!

 

Top 2 in the world.

So, 5 goals from 5 games. He has started 3 of those games and earned MotM in each one.

Can Eden finally surpass 20 league goals this season? If he can maintain his fitness and form he will secure us top 4 and could also mount us a title challenge.

Just give him an offer he can't refuse, amazing player, no amount of money could ever replace him.