OK, I give up mate.  You're right.

26 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

OK, I give up mate.  You're right.

I thought this was just a storm whipping up outside but I believe now it’s the beginning of the end of the world as we know it. 

1 hour ago, Munkworth said:

I thought this was just a storm whipping up outside but I believe now it’s the beginning of the end of the world as we know it. 

 

3 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

OK, I give up mate.  You're right.

Checkmate. 

I see the sarcasm gene doesnt run through your fambly, then.

On 08/02/2019 at 16:13, yorkleyblue said:

If he is indeed rubbish, how did he tear us apart in the European matches, why did we buy him, and why does every manager we've had since play  him so often?

Is there a simple answer to those?

How did he tear us apart? Wasn't this the year when we were a bit sh*t. Teixeira also ripped us apart, probably more so than Willian, and he's now plying his trade in China i believe. 

Why did we buy him? I ask myself this same question everyday. £33m too! It was around the same time we were buying Atsu, Marin and Moses. Must've had a fetish for average wingers.

Why does every manager play him? Links into the above question. It was either him or Moses/Oscar. Conte had the right idea to drop him for Pedro most games. 

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

How did he tear us apart? Wasn't this the year when we were a bit sh*t. Teixeira also ripped us apart, probably more so than Willian, and he's now plying his trade in China i believe. 

Why did we buy him? I ask myself this same question everyday. £33m too! It was around the same time we were buying Atsu, Marin and Moses. Must've had a fetish for average wingers.

Why does every manager play him? Links into the above question. It was either him or Moses/Oscar. Conte had the right idea to drop him for Pedro most games. 

You might not have seen the matches, then, or were maybe a bit young at the time, I don't know, but he played amazingly against us, and, as far as I have seen in here, you are the only one who argues that fact.

Don't know if we were a bit sh*t TBH.  depends on your definition of sh*t.  Playing regularly in Europe, sh*t, or losing to Bournemouth two seasons on the trot sh*t.  In either case, we played against Willian and professional football people, you know, people who's livelihoods depend on it,  decided that his performance was  so  good that we had to go and buy him.  (No, Teixeira was nowhere near as good and never on anyone's radar as far as I was aware, as can be seen by his subsequent career)

You might well be able to use google to support your snide and dismissive sarcasm, by picking the silliest of purchases in that season, but why,  in the interests of balance,  didn't you also mention Matic, Schurrle, Salah and E'to in that purchasing season??  (Oh, and are you really saying that Moses was sh*t buy too?)

Every manager plays him because he performs a valuable role in a team game.  Maybe not the role you might want him to play, but very much a role that professional football managers, as opposed to you playing football manager on your playstation, want him to play.

4 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

You might not have seen the matches, then, or were maybe a bit young at the time, I don't know, but he played amazingly against us, and, as far as I have seen in here, you are the only one who argues that fact.

Don't know if we were a bit sh*t TBH.  depends on your definition of sh*t.  Playing regularly in Europe, sh*t, or losing to Bournemouth two seasons on the trot sh*t.  In either case, we played against Willian and professional football people, you know, people who's livelihoods depend on it,  decided that his performance was  so  good that we had to go and buy him.  (No, Teixeira was nowhere near as good and never on anyone's radar as far as I was aware, as can be seen by his subsequent career)

You might well be able to use google to support your snide and dismissive sarcasm, by picking the silliest of purchases in that season, but why,  in the interests of balance,  didn't you also mention Matic, Schurrle, Salah and E'to in that purchasing season??  (Oh, and are you really saying that Moses was sh*t buy too?)

 Every manager plays him because he performs a valuable role in a team game.  Maybe not the role you might want him to play, but very much a role that professional football managers, as opposed to you playing football manager on your playstation, want him to play.

To be fair, he wasn't Conte's favourite and it doesn't seem like he is Sarri's favourite either. 

I don't rate Willian and I don't think how he played 5 years ago is relevant to any discussion about whether he should be sold in the Summer. 

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

To be fair, he wasn't Conte's favourite and it doesn't seem like he is Sarri's favourite either. 

I don't rate Willian and I don't think how he played 5 years ago is relevant to any discussion about whether he should be sold in the Summer. 

me neither.  Someone who's girlfriend Willian stole when they were in primary school  together commented on why he was bought.  I said why I though he was bought.

 

 But, whether he's Sarri's favourite or not, I don't know.  Judging by appearances, more so than Pedro.  Judging on whether Sarri takes him out bowling and buys him pizza, I don't have sufficient evidence to make a call either way

 

He didn’t rip us apart. Shaktar were a very attacking side with fairly fluid attacking play and we were in need of a squad refresh. He was just his usual self.

he should have gone 2 years ago if the club was serious about not accumulating dead wood. 

1 minute ago, cuppaT said:

He didn’t rip us apart. Shaktar were a very attacking side with fairly fluid attacking play and we were in need of a squad refresh. He was just his usual self.

he should have gone 2 years ago if the club was serious about not accumulating dead wood. 

if you say so.

2 minutes ago, cuppaT said:

He didn’t rip us apart. Shaktar were a very attacking side with fairly fluid attacking play and we were in need of a squad refresh. He was just his usual self.

he should have gone 2 years ago if the club was serious about not accumulating dead wood. 

He was their stand out player in the games though, he was easily the best player on the pitch and when we bought him most people referenced those games as to why it was a great signing.

Edited February 13, 20197 yr by dkw

1 minute ago, dkw said:

He was their stand out player in the games though, he was easily the best player on the pitch and when we bought him most people referenced those games as to why it was a great signing.

doesn't fit the narrative,  mate

As much as I want Willian out of Chelsea, I have to agree with @yorkleyblue on this one.

Willian was very impressive in both matches. I was at the home match and we were concerned everytime he touched the ball. 

44 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

me neither.  Someone who's girlfriend Willian stole when they were in primary school  together commented on why he was bought.  I said why I though he was bought.

 

 But, whether he's Sarri's favourite or not, I don't know.  Judging by appearances, more so than Pedro.  Judging on whether Sarri takes him out bowling and buys him pizza, I don't have sufficient evidence to make a call either way

 

Barely. And recently Pedro has been picked ahead of him in the bigger games.

30  against 22?  Out of how many games played so far? And in the bigger games?  How well has that worked out, then?

The only positive  I can take from Sunday was that not too many idiots in here were putting all the blame on Willian

7 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

You might not have seen the matches, then, or were maybe a bit young at the time, I don't know, but he played amazingly against us, and, as far as I have seen in here, you are the only one who argues that fact.

Don't know if we were a bit sh*t TBH.  depends on your definition of sh*t.  Playing regularly in Europe, sh*t, or losing to Bournemouth two seasons on the trot sh*t.  In either case, we played against Willian and professional football people, you know, people who's livelihoods depend on it,  decided that his performance was  so  good that we had to go and buy him.  (No, Teixeira was nowhere near as good and never on anyone's radar as far as I was aware, as can be seen by his subsequent career)

You might well be able to use google to support your snide and dismissive sarcasm, by picking the silliest of purchases in that season, but why,  in the interests of balance,  didn't you also mention Matic, Schurrle, Salah and E'to in that purchasing season??  (Oh, and are you really saying that Moses was sh*t buy too?)

Every manager plays him because he performs a valuable role in a team game.  Maybe not the role you might want him to play, but very much a role that professional football managers, as opposed to you playing football manager on your playstation, want him to play.

Not really sure where i've said he didn't play well against us tbh. I remember the game well. Just pointed out that Teixeira played just as well and is in China. We were also a bit sh*t in that period. Getting a bit defensive here. Unless you're interpreting me repeating your question so i can give an answer as me saying he wasn't very good? If so i'll forgive your mistake.

Teixeira was as good and scored against us also. Us and Liverpool both wanted him until China and their mega money came in.

Matic and Eto'o aren't really relevant as they're not competing with Willian for a spot. Salah wasn't purchased until January so wasn't really competition when he came in. Schurrle i'll give you but was inconsistent and seemed to do better as an impact sub. Therefore, Willian had little competition. 

Please tell me what role he plays? Don't say defensive work rate because that's just not true since Mou's second stint and don't say transition because he's a winger, not a midfielder. There's a reason Conte dropped him too and if we had a suitable replacement i'm sure Sarri would follow his lead. 

I'm not going through all this again with you.

You know my position on this.  If Willian doesn't fit into your playstation FIFA way of seeing things, that's your problem,  not mine nor his.

You appear to  have a personal dislike of the player, for whatever reason,  and so twist and distort facts and opinions to suit that.  Professionals in the world or real-life football, not those fiddling on their keyboards and watching on hooky streams rate the player.  That's good enough for me.

I'm not playing this game any more with you.  You know what I think, and you know why I think you are wrong.

Leave it at that.  But, I'm glad that you know the inner workings of Sarri's mind.  Must make it so much easier to be so certain about everything.

Despite his goals stats, I think he is one of our most creative players. 

He can dribble, he can shoot, he can run counter attacks and he also is known for his hard work on the pitch. He can be a perfect midfielder in my opinion. 

Try to use him as a box to box with more attacking ability. Playing RLC - Kante - Willian, or Kovacic - Kante - Willian, or Jorginho - Kante - Willian. 

I think Sarri can surprise City with placing him there and giving CHO a chance to play on the wing together with Hazard. 

We have no energy in our midfield, only Kante is the player that gives us boosts from time to time. We need more of that and I believe Willian could play that role.

His best game I can remember for a long, long time. He's so much better in a deeper role. I swear he gets nose bleeds when he's too high up the pitch. 

He was a wide midfielder in a 4-5-1 today and he was outstanding. 

He's awful as a forward player. 

He's really, really good in the midfield. 

He can do one - watching him laughing and joking with Pep after the game is beyond the pale.

11 minutes ago, Bloo said:

He can do one - watching him laughing and joking with Pep after the game is beyond the pale.

Certainly shows he cares about the fans that is for sure.

Don't think he had a good game, I just cant wait for a Chelsea team that doesn't have Willian and Pedro in it. 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Certainly shows he cares about the fans that is for sure.

Is it weird that I am more annoyed with Willian's reaction than what Kepa did? 

Smiling, joking and hugging the opposition manager after losing a cup final isn't something I could ever imagine myself doing. I would be gutted and wouldn't want to be anywhere near the opposition team. I think it's fair to question Willian's commitment and hunger when that is his reaction after losing a cup final.

Yeah agreed. He should be gutted his team have just lost a final after working so hard for 120 mins - not laughing with the opposition manager. 

Doesnt look good on him.