Reportedly linked with a loan move to Fiorentina or Bursaspor (!?!) in Turkey.

 

3 minutes ago, the special one said:

Reportedly linked with a loan move to Fiorentina or Bursaspor (!?!) in Turkey.

 

Makes zero sense loaning him again at that age. We either keep or sell him.

Sell him, don’t think he’s got the quality we need and would rather we stuck with Christensen and Ampadu who I think are more rounded players. 

11 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Sell him, don’t think he’s got the quality we need and would rather we stuck with Christensen and Ampadu who I think are more rounded players. 

I think perhaps his score is worse considering the mediocrity he had to play with at Stoke but I would have to agree unfortunately.

 

Happy to see that Kurt is missing the Perth trip due to a minor injury, rather than us shipping him out. Need to keep him to add some physical capability to our backline. 

2 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

Happy to see that Kurt is missing the Perth trip due to a minor injury, rather than us shipping him out. Need to keep him to add some physical capability to our backline. 

Not beyond the realms of impossibility that Sarri can mould him into a competent centre back, as he did with Koulibaly. He has the same attributes, strength, pace, athleticism and good aerially. He just needs to improve his positional sense.

1 hour ago, old git said:

Not beyond the realms of impossibility that Sarri can mould him into a competent centre back, as he did with Koulibaly. He has the same attributes, strength, pace, athleticism and good aerially. He just needs to improve his positional sense.

Agreed. Positional sense and passing (at least what Koulibaly does) can be taught. I hope he stays.

This injury seems dubious. 

Zouma Rudiger Centre back partnership, yes? no?

Could work. Good physically and one on one which i think will be important this year.

Don't think he's the sort of ball-playing CB Sarri will be wanting.

Yeah lacks ball playing skills but he is a quality defender. We would be silly to sell him. Remember before his injury, he had displaced Cahill from the first 11. 

On 21/07/2018 at 04:51, Spiller86 said:

Agreed. Positional sense and passing (at least what Koulibaly does) can be taught. I hope he stays.

Yes it can be taught, but it doesn't mean a player will ever be good at it. I don't think Zouma will ever become a good passer of the ball from the back. He's an ok defender at best, but it's like i have always said, if he wasn't already our player, nobody would be asking us to sign Zouma from relegated Stoke City. With the style of football we will want play, he will never make it, he just has an awkward passing style, i don't see that ever changing.

16 hours ago, Zeta said:

Don't think he's the sort of ball-playing CB Sarri will be wanting.

Koulibally wasn't a ball playing CB either - but then Sarri got his hands on him.

Can see Zouma ending up at Leicester as they will no doubt lose Maguire to a big-money move and think Leicester would be ideal for a player like Zouma.

 

I don't understand all this negativity, tbh. Pre-injury Zouma was a beast - strong, mobile, fast, played on different positions. He is not the best passer indeed, but he played DM for long time, that means he can find a way to deliver the ball by dribbling through opponents, it's not necessary to pass it. His game was totally cleared from mistakes, unlike Christensen. I believe physically and mentally he is superior to Andreas and we should at least be considering to give him another chance. Selling him without this opportunity would be a very d*ck move.

I don't understand all this negativity, tbh. Pre-injury Zouma was a beast - strong, mobile, fast, played on different positions. He is not the best passer indeed, but he played DM for long time, that means he can find a way to deliver the ball by dribbling through opponents, it's not necessary to pass it. His game was totally cleared from mistakes, unlike Christensen. I believe physically and mentally he is superior to Andreas and we should at least be considering to give him another chance. Selling him without this opportunity would be a very d*ck move.

I understand the negatively, some fans are fickle across all club's and lose interest in players quickly just like how today's society is, people lose interest quickly and move on to the next shiny thing.
Zouma is beast before his injury he was one of the best defender's across Europe dominant, and you don't lose that period. He just needs to right manager again

15 minutes ago, Giordano_Bruno said:

I don't understand all this negativity, tbh. Pre-injury Zouma was a beast - strong, mobile, fast, played on different positions. He is not the best passer indeed, but he played DM for long time, that means he can find a way to deliver the ball by dribbling through opponents, it's not necessary to pass it. His game was totally cleared from mistakes, unlike Christensen. I believe physically and mentally he is superior to Andreas and we should at least be considering to give him another chance. Selling him without this opportunity would be a very d*ck move.

Zouma is not good enough for Chelsea, he will never be good enough on the ball for a top team. People need to realise that football has changed, we expect more from centerbacks, than in the past. 

1 minute ago, kiwi1691 said:

Zouma is not good enough for Chelsea, he will never be good enough on the ball for a top team. People need to realise that football has changed, we expect more from centerbacks, than in the past. 

So why Jose played him on DM area then?

And btw yes, the football has changed - you can't rely only one quality as it seems to be the case with your logic. Passing is good thing, but so is dribbling through opponents and positioning. And trust me, at these aspects of the game, Zouma is better than Christensen by miles.

18 minutes ago, Giordano_Bruno said:

So why Jose played him on DM area then?

Because it was his roundabout way of playing 5 at the back. 

52 minutes ago, Giordano_Bruno said:

So why Jose played him on DM area then?

And btw yes, the football has changed - you can't rely only one quality as it seems to be the case with your logic. Passing is good thing, but so is dribbling through opponents and positioning. And trust me, at these aspects of the game, Zouma is better than Christensen by miles.

That's just wrong. It's a matter of opinion as to who is the better player - all depends if you want an old-fashioned big brute of a CB who isn't that good with the ball at his feet or whether you want the modern-day CB - not so huge but fast, good on the ball with a very good footballing brain. But to say Zouma is better than Christensen by miles is ridiculous.

Think you'll find if we ever sell Christensen big clubs will be after him and he'll command a high fee. If we sell Zouma, as I've already mentioned, it will be to the likes of Leicester and will be for a LOT less. 

1 hour ago, Brutos said:

I understand the negatively, some fans are fickle across all club's and lose interest in players quickly just like how today's society is, people lose interest quickly and move on to the next shiny thing.
Zouma is beast before his injury he was one of the best defender's across Europe dominant, and you don't lose that period. He just needs to right manager again

I think the problem with Zouma was that when he played like a beast he had to put in a high rate of intensity, it was that intensity imho that resulted in his torn ACL. Now that Zouma is perhaps taking things a bit easier (to reduce the risk of further injury) we're beginning to see the real Zouma. Another loan is perhaps the mutually exclusive option at this point in time.

I think the problem with Zouma was that when he played like a beast he had to put in a high rate of intensity, it was that intensity imho that resulted in his torn ACL. Now that Zouma is perhaps taking things a bit easier (to reduce the risk of further injury) we're beginning to see the real Zouma. Another loan is perhaps the mutually exclusive option at this point in time.

He landed awkwardly going for a header with Zatan how does that's got anything to do with intensity and tearing a ACL. Zouma is still one of the best prospect around at CB and is for me ahead of Christensen barring with ball at his feet that's the only advantage Christensen has. Zouma bullied pretty much every forward he played against until the injury, Christensen gets bumped off the ball by physical forwards, and can be beaten for pace which Zouma also has.

 

33 minutes ago, the special one said:

I think the problem with Zouma was that when he played like a beast he had to put in a high rate of intensity, it was that intensity imho that resulted in his torn ACL. Now that Zouma is perhaps taking things a bit easier (to reduce the risk of further injury) we're beginning to see the real Zouma. Another loan is perhaps the mutually exclusive option at this point in time.

Didn't he get that injury falling badly? I'm sure I remember watching it happen. Unless it was just a drunk false memory..

Didn't he get that injury falling badly? I'm sure I remember watching it happen. Unless it was just a drunk false memory..

You are correct he when up for a header with Zatalan