35 minutes ago, Saaladin said:

I'm not bigging up Liverpool players. I'm stating a fact. We have only a few players who would start for Liverpool. 

And Hazard would not start for Liverpool. Mane and Salah are playing far better than Hazard.

Yes he would start ahead of Mane, to suggest he's better than Hazard is laughable and your worst excuse for Conte yet.

34 minutes ago, Saaladin said:

Walker is not exactly Azpi. City threw crazy money to buy Walker and although he is a solid player he's not worth 50. Aurier and Trippier are fine replacements. 

Walker is not Azpi but he along with Rose were once the key cogs in making Spurs's system work, their energy, athleticism and excellent defense/offense balance was key and allowed Poch to shift from back three and four's seamlessy. Since losing them  (Rose is past it since injury) he has tweaked the system so it isn't so fullback reliant, it's called hardwork on the training ground, Conte should try it sometime.

Take away Liverpool's attack and their team is hilariously bad

 

Mignolet, Klavan, Matip, Lovren, Wijnaldum, Henderson, Milner, Lallana, Chamberlain, Moreno, Clyne. All of those players regularly start for Liverpool and they've easily made top 4 and are in the semi finals of the Champions League

Willian, Fabregas, Hazard and Morata could be devastating in the right setup yet our attack is so blunt and predictable.  

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Same was said with Jose in 15 /16. There's more than enough options out there.

It is not....but lets say you are right.......is this really the answer? Are you not disgusted yet how we do sh*t? Not tired of all this BS? You do not see any patteren with us? Yes yes we have won sh*tload.....but that was then.....a team full of quality....full of leaders and a very very good bench. We do not have that atm.......and while we ship one manager for the NeXT and get sh*tty players, all our rivals stay stable.....or at least they back the manager.....you cant possibly close your eyes and claim its all Conte......just as I cant say its all the board.

9 hours ago, Saaladin said:

I don't think the point he was making was having a smaller squad. The point he was making was stop buying me average players for 30-40 mil each and get me 2-3 70 mil pound players that give me real options off the bench. 

You can have a bench full of average players as we do now and not have any real depth. Whereas I can have a bench of 5 players who can come on and make the difference.

I hope this match shuts you up nice and good. Just shows that our squad players are good squad players who with the right change in tactics and formations can do a good job and get the wins. 

Your mind numbing arguments about losing to watford, burnley, bournemouth, CP etc etc have been knocked out of the park right now and right here. We went away to the 7th placed team and one of the most in-form team and made the changes in formation and personnel and were able to get the win. The only problem here is the stubbornness of the manager who did not do it before and waited till the 11th hour.

4 hours ago, Saaladin said:

Conte lost Costa and Matic and got Bakayoko and Morata -- Starting eleven downgraded. Stop creating a mirage with your inflated £230 number. That doesn't tell the story of our transfer window and you know it but are just forcing it to make your point valid.

Poch sold Walker for an insane price for his ability and Tottenham had a replacement (Trippier) not to mention purchasing Aurier. When did they lose Alderweireld and Rose? He got them CL football because he had the golden boot winner Kane, Dele Alli, Eriksen, a top notch backline, Dembele, Sassoko, Wanyama and a world class GK.

Klopp sold a player who didn't fit his system in Coutinho, a top player yes, but he also bought Mohammed Salah, Wijnaldum, Ox-Chamberlain, Milner, and Virgil Van Dijk who is arguably the best central defender in the EPL.

Again, don't confuse people with a cover-all statement like "Conte got £230m to spend and lost out on CL" that is not the story. The real story is that Chelsea spent money on mid-level players and replaced stars with players who were not ready.

Conte downgraded this starting 11 pmsl. He got the Striker replacement he wanted the year before and wanted Bakayoko. That isn't an inflated number, i literally gave you a link to a website with the transfer fees on it...

Alderweireld and Rose have been left out or 'injured' cus they're leaving at the end of the season to rivals. Kane was nothing before Poch, neither was Alli or any of these other players. He managed them into what they are today. Name one player that has got better under Conte? Kante maybe. 

Once again, a lot of average signings. Ox, Wijnaldum and Milner all average players before Klopp managed them to what they are today. Most Chelsea fans will tell you how average Salah was for Chelsea but look what Klopp turned him in to. 

Amazing what managing players can actually do aye. 

4 hours ago, atomis said:

It is not....but lets say you are right.......is this really the answer? Are you not disgusted yet how we do sh*t? Not tired of all this BS? You do not see any patteren with us? Yes yes we have won sh*tload.....but that was then.....a team full of quality....full of leaders and a very very good bench. We do not have that atm.......and while we ship one manager for the NeXT and get sh*tty players, all our rivals stay stable.....or at least they back the manager.....you cant possibly close your eyes and claim its all Conte......just as I cant say its all the board.

By the same logic people use on here Klopp and Poch weren't "backed"  in the summer either. Conte has done a rubbish job this season and yhe excuses are getting more comical by the hour.

14 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Conte spent £230m (-£51.48m NET) on a title winning squad and took us into the Europa league. Chelsea won the league and needed to improve but Spurs didn't didn't need to improve? Makes sense.

Poch spent £109m (-£15.93 NET) after losing starting players (Walker and pretty much Rose + Alderweireld) and got them Champions league football.

Klopp spent £151.23 (+£1.32m NET) after losing their world class talent in Coutinho and got Champions league football (could also win the Champions league). 

Conte spend nothing. Chelsea spend 230mln.

Conte by himself said that many, many times, and he said it before our season was f*****. Absolutely no reason to said that if it`s not true.

The board has nothing to say about it, jut because it`s true. And they left Conte to take the blame, just like they usually do.

Everton president, come ot media and say all the summer buy was the manager choice. The board could have made a press and speak about it delicately.

Also Gianluca Vialli said Conte is pissed, because Chelsea not asking him what player they bring and what player they sold. So RIP Mourinho, tell me did you know better then Vialli, what really happen in our club ???????

Cause that`s the facts, that are said, and you just speculate, because you dont like Conte from the first moment.

But you are just a typical fan, that cry, cry, cry. You will be the same with the next Chelsea manager. After few good matches, you will come here and said how bad he is, how poor hes subs is, and how his tactics sucks ....

And Conte first choice for a striker was - Lukaku, and then he said if he would have chosen striker, he would have choice Harry Kane. And just like Liverpool spend 75m and 66m on a player, that their manager want very very much, our board atleast should have tried. The only 2 players they tried to get for Conte was Sandro and Kolibaliy, and they failed with both.

Failed for Lukaku, failed for Walker, failed for Danilo, failed for Kolibaliy, failed with Romanoli, failed with Tolisso, failed with Dzeko, failed with Sandro, failed with Mendy, and so on.

We didn`t get a top player for long, long time. Forget about to get about some big star, like Neymar or so on ... Pure board fail.

And Liverpool spend 50m(with bonuses). on Salah, 35 on Chamberlane, 75mln. on Van dajk, and something you forget, they spend 66m on Keita. So they spend more then us, and a lot more, then for what they sold.

Also Klopp all the players he wanted. No matter if they are overpriced at the time. Salah, Keita, Van Dajk, even Sadio Mane.

Their borad support him full and he make his squad, unlike like here. Also Klopp have 1 more season then Conte, and so far won nothing. Also he work on safety ground with very low pressure on him, unlike here.

But some fans here, they are not happy about our wins and titles, they just wait to lose, and to come infront to slam and to speak b.c. after all is done, and to show they are "specialist" and how much they know about the game ....

This is all facts.

 

8 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Conte downgraded this starting 11 pmsl. He got the Striker replacement he wanted the year before and wanted Bakayoko. That isn't an inflated number, i literally gave you a link to a website with the transfer fees on it...

Alderweireld and Rose have been left out or 'injured' cus they're leaving at the end of the season to rivals. Kane was nothing before Poch, neither was Alli or any of these other players. He managed them into what they are today. Name one player that has got better under Conte? Kante maybe. 

Once again, a lot of average signings. Ox, Wijnaldum and Milner all average players before Klopp managed them to what they are today. Most Chelsea fans will tell you how average Salah was for Chelsea but look what Klopp turned him in to. 

Amazing what managing players can actually do aye. 

Sadly we have downgraded, it looks like Conte was confident in his signings in Morata, Bakayoko. Who were two vital replacements in key areas and just haven't performed or filled that void, out of the full bunch this season only Kante has performed better than last season. 

To give Conte credit, he did a great job last season, especially his transformation of Victor Moses who also had a very good game yesterday and was fantastic last season. The back 3 worked excellently with David Luiz playing a key role, Alonso another brilliant signing for me who nobody really expected to be. But the man who got everything right last season has gotten it all wrong this season, you could argue we've made 2 good signings this season, that's it, 2 out of 8 have performed up to standard. Perhaps 3 with Palmeri who looked very good yesterday. That's still appalling and just shouldn't be happening.

And as for Salah at Liverpool, Salah was excellent at Roma, he was brilliant as soon as he left. Salah actually showed good glimpses at Chelsea I don't know why so many people want to forget that, his first 6 months he was good whenever he played, it was just the latter 6 months where he didn't play. However, that was probably due to being shoved into Reserve games.  

And how hard is to understand that Liverpool make top 4, Tottenham also, just because they have high class player/s that drag their team hard and that are in great form ???

Suarez was such a player before, now it`s Sadio Mane, Firmino and of course Salah. For Tottenham such players are Harry Kane, Dele Alli and Christensen.

We don`t have such goalscorers, that can drag our team. That`s the biggest problem and how you won matches. You have bad match, you don`t play well, and he come to the scene, he scoard and drag the team.

That`s the difference.

Hazzard and Morata should be such players, and both of them have 3x time less goals then Salah for exmaple .... Kane have 3x time more goals then Morata ....

That`s tell you the whole story.

 

 

1 hour ago, brakeit said:

Conte spend nothing. Chelsea spend 230mln. Conte has his opinion. Hence the massive increase in Italian/Seria A signings. 

Conte by himself said that many, many times, and he said it before our season was f*****. Absolutely no reason to said that if it`s not true. Conte chats sh*t a lot of the time, don;'t believe everything he says. He's also said he'll still be here next season, doubt that too.

The board has nothing to say about it, jut because it`s true. And they left Conte to take the blame, just like they usually do.

Everton president, come ot media and say all the summer buy was the manager choice. The board could have made a press and speak about it delicately.

Also Gianluca Vialli said Conte is pissed, because Chelsea not asking him what player they bring and what player they sold. So RIP Mourinho, tell me did you know better then Vialli, what really happen in our club ??????? Conte himself said Vialli was chatting sh*t. Or do we only believe what Conte says when he talks about transfers?

Cause that`s the facts, that are said, and you just speculate, because you dont like Conte from the first moment. 

But you are just a typical fan, that cry, cry, cry. You will be the same with the next Chelsea manager. After few good matches, you will come here and said how bad he is, how poor hes subs is, and how his tactics sucks .... If a manager sucks like Conte, yes i'll call him out. 

And Conte first choice for a striker was - Lukaku, and then he said if he would have chosen striker, he would have choice Harry Kane. And just like Liverpool spend 75m and 66m on a player, that their manager want very very much, our board atleast should have tried. The only 2 players they tried to get for Conte was Sandro and Kolibaliy, and they failed with both. Sigh... Conte wanted Morata the first season he was here. Kane isn't a realistic choice so don't know why you brought him up. Sandro has been sh*t so glad we didn't get what Conte wanted. Napoli president also wouldn't sell, what should we do? Buy Napoli and give him to us for free?

Failed for Lukaku, failed for Walker, failed for Danilo, failed for Kolibaliy, failed with Romanoli, failed with Tolisso, failed with Dzeko, failed with Sandro, failed with Mendy, and so on. Nearly all of these players chose another club. You do realise footballers have a choice? WE CAN'T FORCE THEM TO PLAY FOR US.

We didn`t get a top player for long, long time. Forget about to get about some big star, like Neymar or so on ... Pure board fail. Well you've just proven how stupid you truly are if you think we're going to sign a Neymar any time soon. Why leave Barcelona to come Chelsea. For f**k sake lad. 

And Liverpool spend 50m(with bonuses). on Salah, 35 on Chamberlane, 75mln. on Van dajk, and something you forget, they spend 66m on Keita. So they spend more then us, and a lot more, then for what they sold. Keita payment comes out of next years finances. So no, they haven't spent more. Salah was £34m, and Klopp made him a monster. Conte wanted Morata so we spent £58m for him and he's arguably made him worse.

Also Klopp all the players he wanted. No matter if they are overpriced at the time. Salah, Keita, Van Dajk, even Sadio Mane.

Their borad support him full and he make his squad, unlike like here. Also Klopp have 1 more season then Conte, and so far won nothing. Also he work on safety ground with very low pressure on him, unlike here. Klopp is losing Can on a free transfer at the end of the season. Do you hear him moaning? Clyne got injured and Klopp didn't moan once about not having a replacement, instead he promoted youth and trained him into a good player. Conte would rather moan about not having a £60m full back on the bench.

But some fans here, they are not happy about our wins and titles, they just wait to lose, and to come infront to slam and to speak b.c. after all is done, and to show they are "specialist" and how much they know about the game ....

This is all facts. No it isn't, at all. You chat sh*t. 

 

Proper struggle to understand your broken English but i'll give it a go. 

Antonio seemed a bit reinvigorated last night. 

He was in good spirits in his pre-match press conference and was prowling the touchline the whole of the match barking out lots of instructions. 

Wonder what's bought about his change in mood, been told he'll get his £9.5m pay out come the summer? 

I still haven't completely lost faith in Conte, if were able to resolve his difference with the club over transfer strategy and targets I think we still have a manager on our hands capable of winning things. 

With how good Emerson was last night it really makes you wonder how poor the rest of our summer signings really are. With a bit of play time DD, Zappa, Bats could all have done a job for us more this season. 

10 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

With how good Emerson was last night it really makes you wonder how poor the rest of our summer signings really are. With a bit of play time DD, Zappa, Bats could all have done a job for us more this season. 

Kenedy? Playing great on loan. Bats, played well on loan. Zappa I think has played quite a bit and done well but DD is miles better than Bakayoko. 

Conte hasn't made a single player better this season. That is what I find damning about his performance as a coach this year. 

He made a sh*t load better last season or does it not count anymore. If anything you can say they are returning to form. 

People miss Luiz. Nuff said.

edit: I regret this

Edited April 20, 20188 yr by Stim

21 minutes ago, benjsross said:

Kenedy? Playing great on loan. Bats, played well on loan. Zappa I think has played quite a bit and done well but DD is miles better than Bakayoko. 

Conte hasn't made a single player better this season. That is what I find damning about his performance as a coach this year. 

Even CHO could come in and lock down a starting place but we'd never know. 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Proper struggle to understand your broken English but i'll give it a go. 

I'd say a that a large percentage of forum users- many I'm sure that have never been to a game- speak English as a second language, perhaps even joined up as a way of improving their English.

23 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

I'd say a that a large percentage of forum users- many I'm sure that have never been to a game- speak English as a second language, perhaps even joined up as a way of improving their English.

In that regard I still treasure my discovery of the word Clusterf**k 

45 minutes ago, Stim said:

He made a sh*t load better last season or does it not count anymore. If anything you can say they are returning to form. 

People miss Luiz. Nuff said.

edit: I regret this

If Conte wanted to be here next year, I'd cut him some slack. He doesn't so I will judge him a lot harder.

12 minutes ago, benjsross said:

If Conte wanted to be here next year, I'd cut him some slack. He doesn't so I will judge him a lot harder.

He told you, did he ?

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

With how good Emerson was last night it really makes you wonder how poor the rest of our summer signings really are. With a bit of play time DD, Zappa, Bats could all have done a job for us more this season. 

Agree 100%. Most of our signings have been underrated by Conte. 

When things were going well last season, Conte deserved all the credits he got. Did he come out and thanks the board for signing Kante, Alonso, Luiz? Or was that all his ideas?Before this season even started,  it's other people's faults for not signing the players he wanted, and he'd make sure things turn sh1t to prove his point. Only 1 manager in the league got just about all the signings he wanted, and he won the league. Then there are 3 managers who still managed to finish above Conte despite not have everything their ways, and people say it's still the board's fault.

I might be in the minority here but I think conte should stay for another season. I do feel he can turn it around. 

2 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

When things were going well last season, Conte deserved all the credits he got. Did he come out and thanks the board for signing Kante, Alonso, Luiz? Or was that all his ideas?Before this season even started,  it's other people's faults for not signing the players he wanted, and he'd make sure things turn sh1t to prove his point. Only 1 manager in the league got just about all the signings he wanted, and he won the league. Then there are 3 managers who still managed to finish above Conte despite not have everything their ways, and people say it's still the board's fault.

Last season Conte was vocal going into the new season about a lack of signings and a lack of depth in our squad and Luiz and Alonso were last ditch signings having failed to sign our primary targets for those positions. It's why we went into the season playing a back four and because the likes of Ivanovic were playing so badly he he thrust the 3-4-3 formation onto the team, despite not having a recognized right wing-back in the squad. 

He performed miracles with that squad last year and was fortunate we wasn't in Europe allowing a lot of time between games to prepare. 

This summer, he was making similar complaints about our transfers and we don't seem to learn about leaving it so late to conclude business. Again, we didn't get our first choice targets and those that were bought in weren't match fit on top of Hazard having a hefty ankle injury... We went into this season with one hand tied behind our back because of how poorly we conduct our transfers (again!). 

Conte is far from blameless this season and since the New Year has really let himself down with his conduct, tactics etc. but some of the things he's been vocal about regarding recruitment are things some fans have been parroting since Ancelotti's second season at the club.  

1 hour ago, Geert The Flyer said:

He told you, did he ?

Yes. He actually told the entire world. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40650899 

If he wanted to stay, he'd have signed an extended deal. He didn't. 

He then has made absolutely no indication in any way that he wanted to stay next year. He has only ever said since then that he intends to respect his contract - manager speak for "I will get my pay out".

 

10 minutes ago, benjsross said:

Yes. He actually told the entire world. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40650899 

If he wanted to stay, he'd have signed an extended deal. He didn't. 

He then has made absolutely no indication in any way that he wanted to stay next year. He has only ever said since then that he intends to respect his contract - manager speak for "I will get my pay out".

 

What that link actually shows is that he has a contract until 2019 and he intends to honour it, so the exact opposite of what you are trying to claim it says.

Not saying that he doesn't want out, just that your evidence provided is wrong.