The people defending Kepa and blaming it on the shambolic defending... How do you think we would have faired if we had just kept Courtois instead?

4 minutes ago, driller97 said:

The people defending Kepa and blaming it on the shambolic defending... How do you think we would have faired if we had just kept Courtois instead?

About as well as we are doing now but with even less ability to play out from the back. 

8 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

About as well as we are doing now but with even less ability to play out from the back. 

Delusional. Seriously seriously delusional. 

Goalkeepers don't just make saves and pass. (Although Kepa makes very few saves).

They organise the defence. They organise at corners. They point out what defenders should be doing and highlight danger  They catch the f**king ball from crosses when it's in the 6 yard box. They throw themselves towards the ball when it's on the ground in front of him. 

 Kepa doesnt do any of these things but apparently he's better than courtois because he can pass the ball 10 yards!!

 (Except against city when he nearly gave away a goal doing that). 

Edited July 2, 20206 yr by bisright1

14 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

About as well as we are doing now but with even less ability to play out from the back. 

Sounds about right. I think we should have kept him after seeing this personally. I was on the GK-hating bandwagon, but in all honesty I don't blame Courtois or Kepa for the defence being that bad. Sure they didn't exactly help themselves with some of the goals they let in, but nobody else would have exactly done much better there.

I really don't think that people should compare a player to some of our best players that we had in the past, it's really not helping. I see people bringing up Cech, that's not fair you can't judge someone automatically to arguably the best keeper the Premier League has ever seen...be more realistic, Kepa isn't Cech and that's ok, our defense isn't close to Terry,Carvalho,Ivanovic,Cole either!

I do agree that he simply isn't good enough right now, he's insecure when he's going out and at the first goal he was basically bumping into Kante for no reason at all he looked very insecure.

But I don't blame him, our defense can't mark at all and we suck at defending in general so for a keeper that is still somewhat adapting to England he gets no help at all and nobody is making his job easier that much is very evident. At least he has potential to get better as he's still young.

 

8 hours ago, driller97 said:

The people defending Kepa and blaming it on the shambolic defending... How do you think we would have faired if we had just kept Courtois instead?

15 goals less conceded this season, at least.

Kepa's had the worst season i've ever seen from a Chelsea-goalkeeper.

16 hours ago, Stim said:

Just blame every goal on him

And not goals too

If ain't good enough which he clearly isn't by a country mile, he deserves the critizm he gets, he's paid 150k a week, so expect him to be at the top of the tree of his profession, which he clearly isn't. Other industry's if you come in on huge wage you are expected to perform and if not, your out on your arse.

11 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

 

He just isn't a goalkeeper, no natural ability, if your a natural things like positioning  and angles come naturally.

9 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Delusional. Seriously seriously delusional. 

Goalkeepers don't just make saves and pass. (Although Kepa makes very few saves).

They organise the defence. They organise at corners. They point out what defenders should be doing and highlight danger  They catch the f**king ball from crosses when it's in the 6 yard box. They throw themselves towards the ball when it's on the ground in front of him. 

 Kepa doesnt do any of these things but apparently he's better than courtois because he can pass the ball 10 yards!!

 (Except against city when he nearly gave away a goal doing that). 

Go back to Courtois' last season and no one was saying we'd miss him, making big mistakes often. Revisionism once again on this forum after a player has left. 

1 hour ago, Spiller86 said:

 

A player has just cut in from the right wing, obviously he's going to have been covering his front post a second before. Where on earth do you expect him to be positioned hahahaha. Clutching at straws with that one champ.

Prime Cech would be conceding lots of goals in this team. The defence is absolutely awful.

Prime Cech would be conceding lots of goals in this team. The defence is absolutely awful.

Hard to say if it is Kepa or the defence to blame. Probably both. One thing is for sure. We are trying to win games attacking. If our attack procuces more we win games 4-2, 5-3. That is acceptable. It is much easier to win in defending I think.

Still I think we need to improve everything. But I would start with defenders, system and attack. If we still concede replace Kepa.

He's a goalkeeper and a decent goalkeeper.
He is not the best in the world and he will never be.

Whoever made him the most expensive goalkeeper in the world is more at fault than Kepa for this situation.
Who was responsible for this disastrous operation?
 

Kepa at one point was available for 20 million, when Real Madrid was on time to sign him, it just didn't happen because Zidane didn't want competition for Navas and the problems he later had to deal with Courtois' arrival.

For 20 million euros it had been a fantastic deal and in case of going wrong there would not even be losses, but they paid 80 million, 4 times more.
Crazy.

Hpw to solve this now?
The only plausible way is an exchange with someone who might be interesting to us.
But even that is hard to imagine.
Barcelona, Atlético Madrid and Real Madrid do not need a goalkeeper.

Loan the most expensive goalkeeper in the world to a club like Sevilla or Valencia is just ridiculous.
It is better to sell it now for 20 million off even if it is to Russia.

I watched Barcelona Atletico Madrid and was at envy. Ter Stegen is a brilliant stopper and great with feet. Oblak is probably the best keeper in the world.

Kasper Schmeichel won two points for Leicester in their first two games when they were just so bad.

Kepa is not saving us. He has a couple of times which is all good but that is not a backbone.

39 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Go back to Courtois' last season and no one was saying we'd miss him, making big mistakes often. Revisionism once again on this forum after a player has left. 

Courtois was poor in the last season. However he was poor in the way that Kante has been poor this year. 

Kepa is poor in the sense that he hasn't been premier league quality at any stage of being here. He isn't good enough. 

Kepa isn't a top goalkeeper and he never will be. He has no spatial awareness of his box. Under courtois I guarantee we would have been leading 1-0 at half time against West Ham. 

Just now, bisright1 said:

Courtois was poor in the last season. However he was poor in the way that Kante has been poor this year. 

Kepa is poor in the sense that he hasn't been premier league quality at any stage of being here. He isn't good enough. 

Kepa isn't a top goalkeeper and he never will be. He has no spatial awareness of his box. Under courtois I guarantee we would have been leading 1-0 at half time against West Ham. 

You simply saying you guarantee it doesn't make it true though. Plenty of other variables to consider, he might have claimed a corner but he wouldn't have got out to close Antonio down as quick for the 1v1. 

5 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You simply saying you guarantee it doesn't make it true though. Plenty of other variables to consider, he might have claimed a corner but he wouldn't have got out to close Antonio down as quick for the 1v1. 

Kepa is literally the worst goalkeepers in the league 1v1 as well. Which the statistics back up as well.
Over the course of the season he's saved 17% of 1v1 situations, next lowest is Heaton at 30%. So yeah, he's absolutely brutal at those as well over any period of time.
Courtois was/is brilliant at it.

 

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by Sindre

Let's be honest, he isn't good enough and we paid a lot for him. We apparently wanted Allison and was favourites for his signature, but the board didn't know the situation with Courtois at that point so Liverpool jumped in and got him ahead of us. We panicked after it was clear Courtois wanted the move to Madrid, paid over the odds for Kepa and now realise it was a big mistake. £70m+ and a 6 year deal. Craziness. 

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by enigma

I would personally prefer Onana from Ajax. The talk of the previous PSG keeper makes no sense considering this is the same keeper who was displaced by an ancient Buffon. 

He isnt a great shot stopper, and never had been. He doesnt command his area and rarely comes and collects or punches balls into his box. His distribution is okay but doesnt make up for the other massive flaws in his game. 

The best goalkeepers are saving there teams 7+ goals a season, kepa is actually conceding 8 goals more than expected, judging by tne quality of chances and shots he has faced. 

It doesnt matter what defence is in front of him, he is massively underperforming. If we had a better shot stopper in the team it is likely we wouldve conceded less goals, possibly around 15. Thats the equivalent of replacing Abraham with a 30 goal a season striker. 

Kepa is a massive problem. Much bigger than the centre back issue. We cant set the team up to protect him 90 minutes. He needs to be replaced, and even if its not with a superstar in the short term, it would still improve us massively.

https://understat.com/league/EPL

 

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by big blue

41 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You simply saying you guarantee it doesn't make it true though. Plenty of other variables to consider, he might have claimed a corner but he wouldn't have got out to close Antonio down as quick for the 1v1. 

I can't believe there are still Chelsea fans who have their eyes closed to how appalling Kepa is as a premier league goalkeeper. 

He cost us too many times already. He has no control of the box, he can't organize his defense, looks lost and scared at set pieces and brings insecurity into the whole team. He's not good on the line because of his weak wrists and people said his distribution is good, but every other game he misplaces a ball which leads to huge opportunities. On top of that he's the only player I know of that refused to come off the pitch, so it's not like his character makes me think he will improve.

The worst transfer in a while. He needs to go.

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by Vagabond

4 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Go back to Courtois' last season and no one was saying we'd miss him, making big mistakes often. Revisionism once again on this forum after a player has left. 

A player has just cut in from the right wing, obviously he's going to have been covering his front post a second before. Where on earth do you expect him to be positioned hahahaha. Clutching at straws with that one champ.

Deary me. Note where Rudiger is covering. Near post. He has got the near post. Cover the far post. But that is before we start to consider his awful arm swinging that means he covers the third of the goal. 

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by Spiller86

Needs to go, we need someone like Oblak for the future.

7 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

 

I am not the biggest fan of Kepa but that position is mainly down to Rudigers inability to show Yarmolenko out wide. As someone who has played in goal during my teenage years I would expect my defender to show the attacker out wide and therefore I would have to protect my near post, Rudiger letting him get on his stronger foot on the inside was just brainless and unexpected.

Had Kepa not gone to the near post and Rudiger ushered Yarmalenko out wide and Kepa got caught out at his near post that wouldve been his fault but questioning his position in that scenario doesnt make a good argument, the first goal on the other hand is just horrendous.