I've read some rumors that Newcastle and Leeds are also interested.  Not sure if Leeds could afford to buy him outright but he would also likely have the best chance of success there.

Man U looks like a dumpster fire right now so I'd prefer to not see him go there.

 

 

Blaming Tuchel for not playing CP in his best positions is fair enough, until you look at RLC and how he has adapted under Tuchel to fit into his system, if one can do it why not the other ?

17 hours ago, Valerie said:

 @Scott and @Phillip even came to a piss-up! Proper Chels those two 

True, I have the pictures to prove it,

I really think we are too big of a club for CP. He's one of our best in the States but TBH he's more on a Dortmund / United level than Chelsea.

 

 

First match.

10/10/81 Chelsea 2-0 Wexham 

Fillery 59, Lee 73

1 hour ago, Scott said:

I really think we are too big of a club for CP. He's one of our best in the States but TBH he's more on a Dortmund / United level than Chelsea.

 

 

First match.

10/10/81 Chelsea 2-0 Wexham 

Fillery 59, Lee 73

PL wise Leeds, Newcastle or Brentford would be ideal for CP imo.

11 hours ago, coco said:

Blaming Tuchel for not playing CP in his best positions is fair enough, until you look at RLC and how he has adapted under Tuchel to fit into his system, if one can do it why not the other ?

I don't think ruben has adapted though. He still doesn't look comfortable playing in pivot. He looks more comfortable as wb. It just suit his skillset better 

 

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

PL wise Leeds, Newcastle or Brentford would be ideal for CP imo.

I doubt he'd get past Brentford's money ball analytics criteria ... 🙂 

Personally I'd go balls out to sell him to Manchester United,

• They have the money - both for the fee and his wages
• They need to rebuild their profile in the USA
• A move to the world's richest club will most probably massage his ego sufficiently
• And most importantly, he won't improve them !

16 hours ago, HazardousChoice said:

Lmao what? I simply state the facts.  Pulisics career stats don't lie. He's a guy that has played 244 games at top attacking clubs that create more chances than most and he has 44 goals and 25 assists in his career.   That's really poor.

United are literally bottom of the league, in a complete shambles, have had the worst transfer record in Europe over the last decade and already have a younger more talented player that kept Pulisic rooted to the bench.

Juventus aren't interested.  We were rumoured to have offered Pulisic to them when we wanted De Ligt and Allegri had no interest in him.

If he had suitors why haven't we recieved a single offer for him despite it being clear Tuchel doesn't want him?

Even the United links were about a loan. A desperate club that are apparently scrambling to throw £100m+ on Felix and £50m on about a dozen other players yet they're not willing to stump up a transfer fee for Pulisic?

Doesn't that tell you anything? If we could get a single actual bid for him he wouldn't be here now.

Please learn the difference between a fact and an opinion you moron. Stating its a fact doesn't make it so.

51 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I doubt he'd get past Brentford's money ball analytics criteria ... 🙂 

Personally I'd go balls out to sell him to Manchester United,

• They have the money - both for the fee and his wages
• They need to rebuild their profile in the USA
• A move to the world's richest club will most probably massage his ego sufficiently
• And most importantly, he won't improve them !

What ego? Am I missing something because I've never viewed CP in an egotistical light, always thought he was one of the more down to hearth and humble players.

47 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

What ego? Am I missing something because I've never viewed CP in an egotistical light, always thought he was one of the more down to hearth and humble players.

My point is it is not a step downwards ... still one of the big six clubs, albeit one in the doldrums ... he won't feel his career is going backwards if he moves to Manchester United from Chelsea, rather than say Leeds or Everton ... or Brentford ... 

 

58 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Please learn the difference between a fact and an opinion you moron. Stating its a fact doesn't make it so.

Why so triggered ? He might not be your cup of tea as a poster but there is no need to start calling him a moron. Just put him on ignore if you don't like his posts.

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

Why so triggered ? He might not be your cup of tea as a poster but there is no need to start calling him a moron. Just put him on ignore if you don't like his posts.

I prefer to let morons know when they're being moronic, if they aren't told they'll never learn.

8 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I prefer to let morons know when they're being moronic, if they aren't told they'll never learn.

Ironic that you call him on facts and then start chucking abuse at him based on your opinion of him ... 

15 hours ago, coco said:

Blaming Tuchel for not playing CP in his best positions is fair enough, until you look at RLC and how he has adapted under Tuchel to fit into his system, if one can do it why not the other ?

RLC is far more versatile as he has played in many positions in his career. There is also at least 30 pounds difference between them so it's not strange that Pulisic can't play as a wing-back.

23 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Ironic that you call him on facts and then start chucking abuse at him based on your opinion of him ... 

that's not ironic at all, I've not mentioned facts once. I'll happily admit it's my opinion that he's moronic and adds very little substance to this forum. 

What about this is ironic exactly? 

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Please learn the difference between a fact and an opinion you moron. Stating its a fact doesn't make it so.

Care to show where exactly I gave an opinion in that post?

I'm sure even someone like yourself can understand Pulisic having 44 goals and 25 assists in 244 club career games is a statistical fact.

Now whether that's good enough for a winger at an elite club is an opinion and I made the mistake of assuming anyone than can manage to type out a post on an Internet forum regardless of how bad they may be can interpret basic data and understand that's a astonishingly poor record.

If you're not one of those that can that's fine you may not be alone here!  😊

20 hours ago, HazardousChoice said:

Lmao what? I simply state the facts.  Pulisics career stats don't lie. He's a guy that has played 244 games at top attacking clubs that create more chances than most and he has 44 goals and 25 assists in his career.   That's really poor. Opinion

United are literally bottom of the league, in a complete shambles, have had the worst transfer record in Europe over the last decade opinion and already have a younger more talented player that kept Pulisic rooted to the bench. 

Juventus aren't interested. Opinion We were rumoured Answered it yourself, 'rumoured' to have offered Pulisic to them when we wanted De Ligt and Allegri had no interest in him.

If he had suitors why haven't we recieved a single offer for him despite it being clear Tuchel doesn't want him? Opinion/quoting rumours

Even the United links were about a loan. A desperate club that are apparently scrambling to throw £100m+ on Felix and £50m on about a dozen other players yet they're not willing to stump up a transfer fee for Pulisic?

Doesn't that tell you anything? If we could get a single actual bid for him he wouldn't be here now. Opinion, you have no idea of the current transfer bids.

As for the stats that in your opinion are really poor, that's a similar return to what Willian had with us in his prime. I'm sure most agree he was a useful player for us, or was he not because his stats were really poor?

20 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

Care to show where exactly I gave an opinion in that post?

I'm sure even someone like yourself can understand Pulisic having 44 goals and 25 assists in 244 club career games is a statistical fact.

Now whether that's good enough for a winger at an elite club is an opinion and I made the mistake of assuming anyone than can manage to type out a post on an Internet forum regardless of how bad they may be can interpret basic data and understand that's a astonishingly poor record.

If you're not one of those that can that's fine you may not be alone here!  😊

 

31 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

As for the stats that in your opinion are really poor, that's a similar return to what Willian had with us in his prime. I'm sure most agree he was a useful player for us, or was he not because his stats were really poor?

Well  you've proven you don't even know what an opinion is.

Referencing reported news by reputable sources isn't an opinion. You may believe we're secretly fighting off huge bids for Pulisic every day and have no intention of signing any other attacking player because Tuchel thinks Pulisic is the man.

But the facts presented to the public are that Pulisic averages 4 league goals a season. Tuchel hasn't started him, wants new attacking players and we have not received any actual bids for him from any club.

As Rafa would say they're the facts.

As for Willian he was criticised heavily for his productivity for years by Chelsea supporters lets not pretend like many didn't take issue with his productivity. Pulisic is even less productive, covers less ground, is significantly worse on every defensive metric, completes less dribbles, is a statistically worse passer.... I'm not sure comparing Pulisic to Willian helps him.

As an opinion I thought Willian was great for us. A really talented hard working player who had a really good all around game I loved Willian inspite of his goal scoring record not because of it.  

As for Pulisics all around game? Well there's a reason Americans try to pretend he's a good finisher when they're arguing his case.

Edited August 19, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

2 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

Well  you've proven you don't even know what an opinion is.

Referencing reported news by reputable sources isn't an opinion. You may believe we're secretly fighting off huge bids for Pulisic every day and have no intention of signing any other attacking player because Tuchel thinks Pulisic is the man.

But the facts presented to the public are that Pulisic averages 4 league goals a season. Tuchel hasn't started him, wants new attacking players and we have not received any actual bids for him from any club.

As Rafa would say they're the facts.

As for Willian he was criticised heavily for his productivity for years by Chelsea supporters lets not pretend like many didn't take issue with his productivity. Pulisic is even less productive, covers less ground, completes less dribbles, is a statistically worse passer.... I'm not sure comparing Pulisic to Willian helps him.

As an opinion I thought Willian was great for us. A really talented hard working player who had a really good all around game I loved Willian inspite of his goal scoring record not because of it.  

You've not answered the several other opinions you had, i'll list them to keep it simple for you:

1) His return is really poor. Based on what metric is this a fact?

2) Utd have the worst transfer record in recent history. Certainly an opinion, several clubs can be in this debate such a Barca.

3) Tuchel isn't a fan of him. Can you provide quotes from Tuchel on this fact?

Quoting Rafa, yeah you ain't a Chelsea fan or you wouldn't utter his name. 

Willian managed 37 league goals (5 penalties) in 234 games (0.15gpg), while Pulisic has 19 in 76 (0.25gpg) for Chelsea. So this less productivity you mentioned, was that just made up off the top of you head? Can only find a pass completion for Willian's last 4 seasons at Chelsea, with an average of 78.1% pass completion, Pulisic currently has a pass completion 80.1%, so another made up fact being a 'statistically worse passer'. Can't find anything in relation to dribbling stats but wouldn't surprise me if you're wrong there too.

 

(stats taken from fbref and official premier league website.)

36 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You've not answered the several other opinions you had, i'll list them to keep it simple for you:

1) His return is really poor. Based on what metric is this a fact?

2) Utd have the worst transfer record in recent history. Certainly an opinion, several clubs can be in this debate such a Barca.

3) Tuchel isn't a fan of him. Can you provide quotes from Tuchel on this fact?

Quoting Rafa, yeah you ain't a Chelsea fan or you wouldn't utter his name. 

Willian managed 37 league goals (5 penalties) in 234 games (0.15gpg), while Pulisic has 19 in 76 (0.25gpg) for Chelsea. So this less productivity you mentioned, was that just made up off the top of you head? Can only find a pass completion for Willian's last 4 seasons at Chelsea, with an average of 78.1% pass completion, Pulisic currently has a pass completion 80.1%, so another made up fact being a 'statistically worse passer'. Can't find anything in relation to dribbling stats but wouldn't surprise me if you're wrong there too.

 

(stats taken from fbref and official premier league website.)

Jesus Christ you're slow.

1) already addressed. Take a scroll up

2) United have the highest net spend on the planet in the last 10 years, have seen the team go from winning the league to being bottom and almost every signing flopping. Technically not a fact but you won't find anyone with an IQ above 50 arguing against United having done the worst transfer business over the last decade.

3) Surely even you're not simple enough to expect a manager to come out and talk negatively about his own players?  Tuchel shows his opinion with his team selections and his reported insistence on us signing new attackers.

4) why are you Cherry picking?  Willian in 7 seasons with us scored 63 goals in 339 games for us. (0.186 per game) Pulisic has played 7 seasons in his career and has 44 in 244 games (0.180 per game)

I have no idea what you're trying to achieve talking passing percentages particularly for a winger. As people like to complain about we do a lot of simple none productive passing.

Here I thought we measured the quality of an attacking players passing by his number of assists and the chances he creates.

To use your own premier league exclusive stats - Willian had 38 assists in 7 seasons.   Pulisic has 8 assists in 3 seasons.

In terms of chances? Well via understat Willian had more expected assists per 90 even in poor spell at Arsenal than Pulisic has managed in any of his 3 seasons here. Infact Willian only had 1 season of his career here (the ill fated 16/17 season) where he had less expected assists per 90 (0.18) than Pulisic had in his most creative season for us (his 1st were he had 0.22 xA)

There's being an idiot and there's trying to argue against statistics, just because you can't help being the former doesn't mean you have to do the latter.

Never thought I'd see the day someone would attempt to argue a player is as productive as Willian of all people and still fail 🤣

Edited August 19, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

Well, there I was scrolling through this thread. Until Willian was brought into the equation. 

@HazardousChoice's bog-standard trolling has changed my mind. 

As a direct result of his awful arguments, I have now drastically reversed my position on Pulisic, to the extent that there is now a Reagan/Bush sign on my front lawn. 

Edited August 19, 20223 yr by PloKoon13

9 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

@HazardousChoice's bog-standard trolling has changed my mind. 

As a direct result of his awful arguments, I have now drastically reversed my position on Pulisic, to the extent that there is now a Reagan/Bush sign on my front lawn. 

That mean eagle has boobs!!!!