19 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I got really bored and did all the sums earlier. 

Revenue for us is about 600m a year

We probably spend about 190mE on wages

I estimate yearly amortised costs to be about 190m for everyone in the squad + lukaku. 

Meaning we are close to the 70% figure we need to be. Agent costs take us very close. 

But that's before any transfers this year. As you say, selling kepa for 25m gives a small profit. But selling Gallagher gives a 100% profit, same with RLC. 

Realistically I could see us netting 200m this summer with transfers. 

In short. We are going to be fine. Provided this squad doesn't all fall in value across the board and we need to take losses. 

According to todays Mail, during Roman's 19 year tenure we racked up operating losses of a mind blowing 900 grand a week, In loan form technically, written off thank ....

Why are people talking so much about us spending. We have an owner who has money and team who knows how to work with FFP.

Mudryk as well...Media claim Chelsea buys this winger for 100m€!. In actuality we pay 70m€ and if we win Prem or CL during these 7 years we pay these additional investments. So basically we bought him for £66m that is amortized for 7 years. If we actually win something meaningful we pay more. 

 

What is interesting is that these long contracts which look short sighted seem to be allowing us to do an accounting fix of only posting say a seventh of the purchase cost as we say it is spread over 7 years.

This suggests to me these long contracts may only be for the first year where he intends a big outlay to get us to the point of having a good rebuild quickly without being restricted by FFP.

Lets hope he has the green light to do this as the powers that be certainly like to come down hard on us.

We can always sell players on as well. 

2 hours ago, Valerie said:

As with our former players I've loved, it hurts when a former manager moves to a different EPL club. But it's their right to find employment elsewhere. Be happy but just don't win anything, Thomas, if and when... Same to you BTW, Antonio. 

Only Spurs can have Jose and Conte meltdowns without the success part first.

On 15/01/2023 at 22:00, JM7 said:

Under 21s don’t count so we’re fine. 

hi mate. Then what happens when new players are over 21?? And we've already got the 25 man squad ? Isn't the Ukrainian over 21 ?

I've looked all over for info, but couldn't find the answer anywhere.. I'm not kidding !

 

 

 

3 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

hi mate. Then what happens when new players are over 21?? And we've already got the 25 man squad ? Isn't the Ukrainian over 21 ?

I've looked all over for info, but couldn't find the answer anywhere.. I'm not kidding !

 

 

 

The under 21 is marked from a fixed point in each season. 

6 hours ago, Fruit Bat said:

According to todays Mail, during Roman's 19 year tenure we racked up operating losses of a mind blowing 900 grand a week, In loan form technically, written off thank ....

It’s difficult to argue that year on year those losses stacked up but and a big but the fact is that after the asset that is Chelsea massively appreciated.

We all how RAs tenure ended but in cash terms had he sold for the £2.25 billion said to have been paid by Bohley and received the proceeds then those losses would have been wiped out add to the pot the sum that RA paid out to purchase the club and settle debts he still would have turned a profit

Edited January 18, 20233 yr by terraloon

On 17/01/2023 at 00:34, bisright1 said:

There's a valid argument that football clubs are a good investment. 

There are 16 american sports teams who are valued higher than United (the highest valued team). Hardly anyone outside the US knows them. And they only play for a 3rd of the year. 

English football is watched in bigger numbers, for more days, in more countries. 

As an example, Dallas cowboys are apparently worth 3bn more than United. But United have 14x more Instagram followers than the cowboys. United play 3x more games a year. 

In 10 years time, I wouldn't be surprised if we are 2 or 3x the value we were bought for. 

This is interesting reading.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64314328

 

https://twitter.com/Blue_Footy/status/1616127122384338948?t=rDCDKn06vrnI-o-eTffZhQ&s=19

We are looking to offload Ziyech and Pulisic and in the market for a MF and possibly backup for Reece.

1 hour ago, just said:

This is interesting reading.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64314328

 

The idea that man city are top despite a much smaller global fan base than most of the top 10 will never not make me laugh. 

Swiss Ramble basically concluded that at our current state we are complying with PL regulations but not FFP. We can sell players in January to help but not making Top 4 basically guarantees us not complying. 

 

Swiss Ramble then came to the conclusion that Boehly and co may in fact be willing to take the fine from UEFA. 

What a game.

PSG 5 v 4 Riyadh.

Amazing.

Still, what sort of idiot would suggest an All star game 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Swiss Ramble basically concluded that at our current state we are complying with PL regulations but not FFP. We can sell players in January to help but not making Top 4 basically guarantees us not complying. 

 

Swiss Ramble then came to the conclusion that Boehly and co may in fact be willing to take the fine from UEFA. 

He’s fairly reputable so I’d take that as it is, and since we’re not getting UCL it’s either sell or take the fine, the former won’t be easy without Marina + rivals know we’re desperate to offload.

14 hours ago, Term_X said:

He’s fairly reputable so I’d take that as it is, and since we’re not getting UCL it’s either sell or take the fine, the former won’t be easy without Marina + rivals know we’re desperate to offload.

Well we have to sell regardless of FFP. We have too many players. I'd be surprised if the amount we generate in sales over the next 2-3 windows isn't 200m+ considering the amount of talent we have. That's why I'm not worried and think the one area swissramble has underestimated. 

Even if we are desperate, clubs are still going to spend 30-40m on a load of our players. 

14 hours ago, Term_X said:

He’s fairly reputable so I’d take that as it is, and since we’re not getting UCL it’s either sell or take the fine, the former won’t be easy without Marina + rivals know we’re desperate to offload.

We have quality players in the right team/system mate. Sterling, Ziyech, Pulisic, Gallagher, RLC, Broja, and a couple others could thrive in the right team. I am sure we can make £150m at least. 

I don’t think we will have problems selling some of these players. In fact, we might even make some profits because of inflation.

Edited January 20, 20233 yr by Frankie8Lampard

There's some murmurs on social media about Bayern monitoring the Havertz situation. Bayern could go for both him and Kane in summer, which would be a statement of intent. Havertz may just suit Bundesliga better. I think Ziyech would thrive in Serie A, rather than PL. It's strange how some players look like world beaters in certain leagues and systems, yet they leave that league or system and they look like they lose their abilities. I also think sterling may have been one of those players. He thrived in a great system like City had built up, but comes to us and has to adapt again at an older age. 

3 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Well we have to sell regardless of FFP. We have too many players. I'd be surprised if the amount we generate in sales over the next 2-3 windows isn't 200m+ considering the amount of talent we have. That's why I'm not worried and think the one area swissramble has underestimated. 

Even if we are desperate, clubs are still going to spend 30-40m on a load of our players. 

My only concern around this is taking into account the wages. 

I am not advocating this as a possible sale (that's another conversation. Lol) but i remember the wages being quoted, so using Raheem Sterling as an example. If we decided to sell him at whatever fee, i doubt anyone is picking up the tab on 295k p/w. That's where i think we may come a cropper.

Lukaku. There is no money in Italy, but even if Inter could manufacture a deal, maybe with Dumfries and/or Skriniar involved, how will they afford Lukaku's wages and incoporate it into their overall squad structure.

On either Chelsea chronicles or wagnh site they reckon Todd has brought in physios who treat celebraties 

As they point out, treating a Foo fighters band member is different from treating a football player.

Did we ever find out why he sacked our long standing medics ?

Edited January 20, 20233 yr by The Rising Sun
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15 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

On either Chelsea chronicles or wagnh site they reckon Todd has brought in physios who treat celebraties 

As they point out, treating a Foo fighters band member is different from treating a football player.

Did we ever find out why he sacked our long standing medics ?

And you actually believe that?

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

On either Chelsea chronicles or wagnh site they reckon Todd has brought in physios who treat celebraties 

As they point out, treating a Foo fighters band member is different from treating a football player.

Did we ever find out why he sacked our long standing medics ?

We had some of the highest injury records with our long standing medics. It's clearly got worse but let's not pretend it was rosey 12 months ago. 

That whole department needs a reorg. The consultancy brought in seems to be a mistake but I'm sure from what I've heard it's temporary. 

Basically, good decision to sack, bad decision to not have a replacement yet. 

1 hour ago, dkw said:

And you actually believe that?

Apparently his name is Freddie Murray.

I don't want to believe it !

1 hour ago, dkw said:

And you actually believe that?

Crazy as it sounds, he actually has.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11632769/amp/Chelsea-stars-fear-sacking-medical-staff-backfired.html

5 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Well we have to sell regardless of FFP. We have too many players. I'd be surprised if the amount we generate in sales over the next 2-3 windows isn't 200m+ considering the amount of talent we have. That's why I'm not worried and think the one area swissramble has underestimated. 

Even if we are desperate, clubs are still going to spend 30-40m on a load of our players. 

£30m-£40m on which player exactly? Didn’t AC Milan offer an initial 1yr loan + an option to buy at €20m for Ziyech, & baulk at his wage demands? We will struggle to shift any of them at any reasonable fee becos of their wages.