17 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I wouldn't necessarily advocate moving him on just yet, but i have been calling for a stronger level of back up. Nothing against Gusto as I have not seen enough to make a proper judgement call but i do think more depth is needed there and i have mentioned that Pavard would be a safe alternative. Dumfries similarly although that is Inter with the problems in getting deals done with them. The price being quoted for Pavard is such that i cannot understand why we are not having a nibble.

That would have been Pavard instead of Disasi right? Pavard isn’t leaving Bayern to go and sit on the bench at either Utd or Chelsea. Dumfries is overrated, I think we were quoted €50m or something ridiculous for him last season.

Fans need to be patient and give Gusto a chance to grow into the role, I feel he has a very high ceiling and would surprise a few. 

This needs sorting is he carrying too much muscle? Range of movement not good ? 
 

On a blog I saw someone discussed a video of England training. Jane and one other where doing yoga stretches etc and James just could not do it 

 

We all know it though, we are hoping for different but we all kind of know that we will never get the best out of him, and I'm only meaning it in terms of an unbroken injury free season.

It's probably very painful to accept for all, player included, but how many times have you seen a young player that's constantly injured ? Not very often, usually older players and when it starts you know the decline has started. 

Maybe the age makes a difference but I won't bet on him ever having an injury free season.

40 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Not unless they actually take the time time and work on his range of motion. It's evident James has below average hamstring, ankle, hip and shoulder mobility. 

Need to send him to the very best medical experts to find out why these injuries keep happening, and fix them if possible. 

7 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Need to send him to the very best medical experts to find out why these injuries keep happening, and fix them if possible. 

Yep!

I don't want to be playing a doctor role here but I feel he has too much muscle or weight... 

1 hour ago, abister1 said:

We all know it though, we are hoping for different but we all kind of know that we will never get the best out of him, and I'm only meaning it in terms of an unbroken injury free season.

It's probably very painful to accept for all, player included, but how many times have you seen a young player that's constantly injured ? Not very often, usually older players and when it starts you know the decline has started. 

Maybe the age makes a difference but I won't bet on him ever having an injury free season.

Hard to argue with that right now. Looks like he could be going down the same road as Jack Wilshire unfortunately.

17 minutes ago, just said:

Hard to argue with that right now. Looks like he could be going down the same road as Jack Wilshire unfortunately.

He will definitely need to be managed carefully based on his injury issues. As others have mentioned on this thread perhaps he will be less susceptible to picking up injuries if he plays in a different position. But there is no guarantee of that either.

2 hours ago, ducavis said:

That would have been Pavard instead of Disasi right? Pavard isn’t leaving Bayern to go and sit on the bench at either Utd or Chelsea. Dumfries is overrated, I think we were quoted €50m or something ridiculous for him last season.

Fans need to be patient and give Gusto a chance to grow into the role, I feel he has a very high ceiling and would surprise a few. 

Fingers crossed he isn't made of cheese as well. Just don't want us using Caicedo as an emergency right back rather than his natural position as we are low on cover.

8 hours ago, just said:

Actually I would also ask the same question of @ducavis and @OriginalS and @Scott Harris.

James missing so many games now, do you look to sell?

 

If he was 31 it would have had to be up for serious debate. As he's 23 there is too much potential upside to sell him right now but it could become a question in the future.

2 hours ago, Modueke said:

Yep!

Funny thing is our players were rarely injured when she was around 🤣🤣🤣 make it make sense. Seems they have a reason to stay fit!!

1 minute ago, El regreso said:

Funny thing is our players were rarely injured when she was around 🤣🤣🤣 make it make sense. Seems they have a reason to stay fit!!

That’s the point! Eva should come back cause she’s a good doc with a good record! 

The spat was with Jose, she sued the club under Roman, what’s stopping her now.

I'd rather he wasn't rushed back in any way, get this sorted as we now have a decent player we can hopefully rely on to cover. 

As for selling him, absolutely not a chance on hell, he's one of the best players in his position,  we sell him and he gets himself sorted we would hugely regret it. We don't need to sell, so don't.

2 hours ago, Conte said:

I don't want to be playing a doctor role here but I feel he has too much muscle or weight... 

I don't think it's that, there have been plenty of big players that never had these issues. Adama Traore is huge but he doesn't get that many injuries. You also have smaller players that pick up injuries too, like Kante. Wilshere's career was ruined because of injuries and he wasn't a big player. 

I don't think James can easily lose that muscle either, most of it is just his natural build. Look at his sister, she is exactly the same.

It can't just be bad luck that we've had so many injuries the last few years. There must be something going on. Whether its in the training methods, the recovery, the weight training they're doing, the training pitches, poor physio staff, etc... It needs to be investigated, because this is getting ridiculous.

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9 minutes ago, Zeta said:

It can't just be bad luck that we've had so many injuries the last few years. There must be something going on. Whether its in the training methods, the recovery, the weight training they're doing, the training pitches, poor physio staff, etc... It needs to be investigated, because this is getting ridiculous.

I could sort of understand it if we had a high energy , hard running 90 minute style prior to this season ,

You're right, it needs a major investigation to see if we can avoid this in the future 

Out for a month. 

- West Ham

- Luton

- Wimbledon (League Cup)

- Forest

- Bournemouth

- Villa

- League Cup R3

2 hours ago, OriginalS said:

If he was 31 it would have had to be up for serious debate. As he's 23 there is too much potential upside to sell him right now but it could become a question in the future.

So for you it's purely down to age and no consideration of the wide range of different injuries he has suffered, or the amount of games missed? As I said previously I don't completely buy the argument or the hope that as he gets older he will become more robust. If anything it's likely to be the reverse.

I wouldn't sell either because I don't think you should be selling your top performing players regardless of whether they're 23 or 29/30 hence my stance on Kante.

 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Out for a month. 

- West Ham

- Luton

- Wimbledon (League Cup)

- Forest

- Bournemouth

- Villa

- League Cup R3

A month as a best case scenario guesstimate without further complications.

Why is 'selling' even a talking point? This is our Reece! Come on folks, this ain't Twitter/X!

48 minutes ago, just said:

So for you it's purely down to age and no consideration of the wide range of different injuries he has suffered, or the amount of games missed? As I said previously I don't completely buy the argument or the hope that as he gets older he will become more robust. If anything it's likely to be the reverse.

I wouldn't sell either because I don't think you should be selling your top performing players regardless of whether they're 23 or 29/30 hence my stance on Kante.

 

For me age has a lot to say yes. Kante was past his prime, James have likely not entered his yet.

Bar the Champions League run I never thought Kante had that much impact on our last three-four seasons going back to Sarri. Some fantastic performances yes but always injury ridden and us depending on him and therefore never addressing the midfield which hurt us. Tuchel trusted him to stay fit last season for example after a specialized program for him the entire summer and it was a major backfire.

My take on Poch's words, was that he is not coming back until he is right. I don't think he wants to push it.

No one is saying put him up for sale, but if he continues getting injured and missing large chunks of games the club’s hands will be forced. Fingers crossed we don’t have to cross that road, but if hypothetically we miss out on Europe next season and the club needs to strengthen he might be a prime candidate if they want to further strengthen the team.

You can’t have your highest earner missing 40%+ of games. 

3 hours ago, dkw said:

I'd rather he wasn't rushed back in any way, get this sorted as we now have a decent player we can hopefully rely on to cover. 

As for selling him, absolutely not a chance on hell, he's one of the best players in his position,  we sell him and he gets himself sorted we would hugely regret it. We don't need to sell, so don't.

Is this based on 2 seasons ago? The fullback role is getting phased out of modern football, so I am not sure that counts for much. Hypothetically if he was up for the sale today, the only offers on the table might be from Utd & maybe Bayern. Everyone else has moved on from that role.

3 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Out for a month. 

- West Ham

- Luton

- Wimbledon (League Cup)

- Forest

- Bournemouth

- Villa

- League Cup R3

Not bad! Easily winnable games without Reece

56 minutes ago, ducavis said:

No one is saying put him up for sale, but if he continues getting injured and missing large chunks of games the club’s hands will be forced. Fingers crossed we don’t have to cross that road, but if hypothetically we miss out on Europe next season and the club needs to strengthen he might be a prime candidate if they want to further strengthen the team.

You can’t have your highest earner missing 40%+ of games. 

Is this based on 2 seasons ago? The fullback role is getting phased out of modern football, so I am not sure that counts for much. Hypothetically if he was up for the sale today, the only offers on the table might be from Utd & maybe Bayern. Everyone else has moved on from that role.

No, it's based on him being one of the best wing backs in would football, not a full back.

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