I think a lot of us are being harsh on Sarri, I haven't liked Jorginho being mugged earlier in the season and am displeased by what I have seen of Higuaín recently.

Barkley has figured much more this season and if nothing else we will recoup more than we paid if we sell.

Hazard is still on side with the manager.

RLC and CHO have both figured a lot recently.

Emmerson is making a role for himself at LB.

We look more comfortable playing out from the back.

I agree arguably we could have done better yet we could also have done a lot worse, IMO. 

 

54 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

Exactly.  I can think of one game where his tactics might have had an influence over a game:  Our win vs City.  There are far more examples of his tactical inflexibility costing us games.

Also, which one of our players are better today than they were at the beginning of the season?  Not even CHO sine he was practically our best player in pre-season, a pre-season Sarri barely had a chance to participate in.

RLC, CHO, Hazard, Barkley, Emerson all improved under Sarri from last season. 

Kante I would argue is as well but can imagine that's controversial to say. 

 

3 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

RLC, CHO, Hazard, Barkley, Emerson all improved under Sarri from last season. 

Kante I would argue is as well but can imagine that's controversial to say. 

 

I don't believe RLC has improved under Sarri.  I attribute that to his loan spell at Palace.

I don't believe CHO has improved either.  He was our best player in pre season when Sarri barely had time to work with him.  It's taken supporter and media pressure, as well as the embarrassment of a player starting for his country before ever starting a league game for his club.  And not just some minnow country either...…..a top 5 FiFA ranked country.

Hazard is having a great season, but not because of Sarri.  I believe that's due to him wanting to leave Chelsea on a good feeling.....as if his best season is a goodbye gift to the club and supporters.  And how much better might his stats be if Sarri hadn't played him as a false 9 in four of the games?

Barkley started the season well, not because of anything Sarri did, but because he smartly studied Sarri's Napoli side, and put himself in condition to play that style.  It was a brilliant piece of motivation by him.  But I don't think he's gotten better over the season, and I actually like the way he plays for England more than the way he plays for us.

Emerson has done well, but he looks better only because of the poor play of Alonso in comparison.  

And Kante has been great in his new position, but our defensive play and ball recovery is not as good as it was when he was our midfield destroyer.  

Willian, Pedro, Christensen, Azpi, Higuaín, Kovacic,, Luiz, Alonso have all played at the same level or worse since Sarri came in.

13 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

RLC, CHO, Hazard, Barkley, Emerson all improved under Sarri from last season. 

Kante I would argue is as well but can imagine that's controversial to say. 

 

CHO and RLC never played last season and Barkley and Emerson hardly ever played. Just because players have made more appearances doesn't mean they have improved. Hazard hasnt improved as a player, his the same great player he always was. Kante has gone from world class to average in his new position.

Win the Europa league earn the right to stay. Dont and bye bye for me. If we cannot prove to be good enough to win the euro reject league then that is not good enough.

58 minutes ago, M.M.B said:

Quite right. ....Bisright1 needs only to remember what claudio did against monaco in 2004 to see what influence they have on a game . He threw away a champions league final ....

By tinkering.....3.1 & they had 10 men.

That game still haunts me 

41 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

That game still haunts me 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Win the Europa league earn the right to stay. Dont and bye bye for me. If we cannot prove to be good enough to win the euro reject league then that is not good enough.

I think he will be gone if we fail to either win Europa, or make top 4.

Just now, forbzy said:

I think he will be gone if we fail to either win Europa, or make top 4.

There's a very real possibility that we finish 5th or 6th, and we don't win the Europa League.  And I agree that Sarri needs to get us in the Champions League next year for him to stay.  If he goes, I don't know who would be next.  We need a plan and a DoF to put the pieces in place.  Never has that been more clear.

2 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

There's a very real possibility that we finish 5th or 6th, and we don't win the Europa League.  And I agree that Sarri needs to get us in the Champions League next year for him to stay.  If he goes, I don't know who would be next.  We need a plan and a DoF to put the pieces in place.  Never has that been more clear.

I agree. A DoF needs to be a priority whether Sarri stays or goes. I don't think it is just failing to make the Champions League that would lead to Sarri being axed, but more the manner in which it has turned out. But who knows, maybe he will defy the odds and survive either way. The club does seem to be showing a lot more patience with him than they have with past managers. 

26 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I agree. A DoF needs to be a priority whether Sarri stays or goes. I don't think it is just failing to make the Champions League that would lead to Sarri being axed, but more the manner in which it has turned out. But who knows, maybe he will defy the odds and survive either way. The club does seem to be showing a lot more patience with him than they have with past managers. 

The club show a lot of patience nowadays, Jose lasted til Dec and Conte the whole second season.

52 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

There's a very real possibility that we finish 5th or 6th, and we don't win the Europa League.  And I agree that Sarri needs to get us in the Champions League next year for him to stay.  If he goes, I don't know who would be next.  We need a plan and a DoF to put the pieces in place.  Never has that been more clear.

Near certainty we do not make top 4. 

Our record away from home against the top half teams is appalling. You can be pretty sure we wont beat United and Leicester, least that is how I feel. I think we finish 6th.

If we can make the final and face Valencia or Napoli we have a chance. If it is Arsenal I don't see Sarri getting the better of them.

Get top 4 he stays as he’s somehow improved upon last season in the league.

Outside top 4 he has to go. I don’t have enough room left on the page to fully document why I have this opinion. 

8 hours ago, chelseablueboy said:

The second I saw Hazard as the false 9 yesterday and that was that for me.

He doesn't learn from previous mistakes, Haz is not a striker, it made us weak upfront, and we created very little.

Out.. out.   Out

That's true but he obviously didn't have much fate in Giroud or Higuain which the latter has already proven to be a flop and Giroud is just Giroud.

If we had a decent striker in the first place that could score on a consistent bases Hazard would never of played in that false 9 position.

5 hours ago, Boston Blue said:

I don't believe RLC has improved under Sarri.  I attribute that to his loan spell at Palace.

I'm sorry but i completely disagree.

He may have got the gametime at Palace but he returned the same extremely flawed player that left. He wasn't making any regular impact on a game, was a defensively non existant and had very poor decision making. Sarri got to work on developing him from the get go and in the last couple of months especially it's started to seriously pay off, he's so much better off the ball and (most importantly for me) shows for it himself more and is willing to take more reponsibilty in the game.

Even if Sarri goes all 15/16 on us next season, he deserves credit for Ruben's rise this season.

6 hours ago, Ray_Cfc said:

That's true but he obviously didn't have much fate in Giroud or Higuain which the latter has already proven to be a flop and Giroud is just Giroud.

If we had a decent striker in the first place that could score on a consistent bases Hazard would never of played in that false 9 position.

Problem is he signed Higuain. Why bother loaning a player he wanted the club to sign in the summer if he doesn’t trust his qualities in the big game?

He keeps on using the excuse that he needs someone on the flanks to do the defensive work in big games, but I think Jorginho in that deep role against the Top 6 is of a bigger concern. You move Kante deeper and Kovacic covering on the left behind Hazard, and we look more balanced. 

5 hours ago, Argo said:

I'm sorry but i completely disagree.

He may have got the gametime at Palace but he returned the same extremely flawed player that left. He wasn't making any regular impact on a game, was a defensively non existant and had very poor decision making. Sarri got to work on developing him from the get go and in the last couple of months especially it's started to seriously pay off, he's so much better off the ball and (most importantly for me) shows for it himself more and is willing to take more reponsibilty in the game.

Even if Sarri goes all 15/16 on us next season, he deserves credit for Ruben's rise this season.

Didn't Ruben himself say Sarri pushed him to do better or something along those lines? Sarri definitely had an impact on his development, can't take that away from him.

11 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

CHO and RLC never played last season and Barkley and Emerson hardly ever played. Just because players have made more appearances doesn't mean they have improved. Hazard hasnt improved as a player, his the same great player he always was. Kante has gone from world class to average in his new position.

RLC has 100% improved. That is not even slightly in question. Anyone who thinks he hasn't really doesn't have my respect.

CHO has become a first team player and does look better. Kante looks good in his new position and has added a better ability to retain possession. He's more effective box to box than he used to be and adds value to a system that is possession based. Barkley has improved from his Everton days and whilst maybe not a top player, has improved in value. 

 

5 hours ago, Argo said:

I'm sorry but i completely disagree.

He may have got the gametime at Palace but he returned the same extremely flawed player that left. He wasn't making any regular impact on a game, was a defensively non existant and had very poor decision making. Sarri got to work on developing him from the get go and in the last couple of months especially it's started to seriously pay off, he's so much better off the ball and (most importantly for me) shows for it himself more and is willing to take more reponsibilty in the game.

Even if Sarri goes all 15/16 on us next season, he deserves credit for Ruben's rise this season.

Genuinely I would have been happy to see him sold 6 months ago. Now I think he's our most important midfielder. Absolutely ridiculous Sarri doesn't get universal credit for that. 

5 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

RLC has 100% improved. That is not even slightly in question. Anyone who thinks he hasn't really doesn't have my respect.

CHO has become a first team player and does look better. Kante looks good in his new position and has added a better ability to retain possession. He's more effective box to box than he used to be and adds value to a system that is possession based. Barkley has improved from his Everton days and whilst maybe not a top player, has improved in value. 

 

What are you comparing CHO too, did you watch him last season? Kante doesn't look good, to me he looks like Willian, good at bringing the ball forward but once he gets to the box he looks lost. Every Chelsea fan I know says Kante has gone from looking like a world class player to an average one in this new position, theres no way Kante has improved as a player. I would rather have the Barkley who played for Everton who runs and drives at the defence and actually has a shot, off course Barkley has improved in value, we brought him on the cheap when he had 6months left on his contract. Maybe RLC has improved as a player, I guess that's one of few positives to take from this season.

On 14/04/2019 at 18:24, Munkworth said:

Take cover, out votes in coming!

blame those fff's

 

 

no that's not too many f's.

Kante is a wonderful player and world class in his proper position, when I see him receiving the ball at the edge of the oppositions box and worse shaping up for a shot I just think get out the bloody way, if something comes from him around oppositions box I'm pleasantly surprised or should I say shocked, quite often the attack breaks down (not always his fault) and next I see this world class playing haring back trying to catch the oppositions counter attack, when really he should be face onto the counter attack and mopping it up, just like he did when winning two titles and a World cup, how the hell Sarri of all people has the arrogance to think he should change his position is beyond me, If I was Kante I would be thinking what the hell? ( To much of a decent gentlemen)

The club show a lot of patience nowadays, Jose lasted til Dec and Conte the whole second season.

Haha, even the board new they gotta allow Conte to finish the season so they can at least win a trophy. That's not patience, that's wisdom!

Near certainty we do not make top 4. 
Our record away from home against the top half teams is appalling. You can be pretty sure we wont beat United and Leicester, least that is how I feel. I think we finish 6th.
If we can make the final and face Valencia or Napoli we have a chance. If it is Arsenal I don't see Sarri getting the better of them.

I agree with you, can't see us beating Arsenal in the final or Sarri beating Emery in a final.

Some people on here just don't like Sarri so anything he does well they will look to nit pick to fit there agenda. Not sure why people dont think we could beat Arsenal if we both get the final either. Before the league final i could understand but since then we have looked better.