About time Dean left it behind. The bargin basement bog standard English version of Collina, with none of the personality, leadership or ability.

7 hours ago, axman2526 said:

About time Dean left it behind. The bargin basement bog standard English version of Collina, with none of the personality, leadership or ability.

 

9 hours ago, axman2526 said:

About time Dean left it behind. The bargin basement bog standard English version of Collina, with none of the personality, leadership or ability.

He must be a member here, you’ve hurt his feelings. 

This is a bit outside the box, but I wonder if a big problem with VAR Is that the ‘technical’ people, whoever they may be, who are assisting the VAR referee, have a lot of clout in figuring out where to stop the video from the time when a pass is being made, and also where to draw the two lines for the offense player and defense players. Perhaps it’s just a couple of people (closet Liverpool fanboys?) who go to all the VAR booths and who could effectively fake out the VAR referee to make a decision that really should not be made that way.

conspiracy theory?  Maybe so. 

3 hours ago, Munkworth said:

He must be a member here, you’ve hurt his feelings. 

Heard he is in talks to stay on as a full time VAR, he is equally useless at that job too.

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Heard he is in talks to stay on as a full time VAR, he is equally useless at that job too.

His experience at being useless in the role will look good on his application.

VAR decisions are a joke, drawling lines from imprecise body parts, at inconsistent times. It is a farce.

They need to simplify it.

- if there is no space/daylight between the attacker and the defender, then offside not given.

- measure from the toe of both players

-   Some kind of margin of error (thicker lines?)

Any of these would help give the benefit of doubt to the attacker and to take away the routine dreadful decisions

For me at 18 yards out from the goal or more, offside can only be judged from the feet as you can't score realistically from there with either your head (freak goals excepted) or other body parts.

Under 18 yards then allow the head or other body parts offside to be included.

That is basically the penalty area so should remove doubt about where the 18 yards is,

 

 

 

 

On 22/03/2022 at 14:59, Backbiter said:

His experience at being useless in the role will look good on his application.

Here is my monthly post pointing out that, when we get shafted by VAR as we did today, it will not show up in those league tables of how VAR decisions affect each club. VAR/ Dean cheated us out of two points today, but because it didn't change Taylor's failure to penalise hair pulling, it doesn't get counted.

Who knew Dean's 'retirement' would not be the last time he'd stitch us up?

12 minutes ago, Backbiter said:

Here is my monthly post pointing out that, when we get shafted by VAR as we did today, it will not show up in those league tables of how VAR decisions affect each club. VAR/ Dean cheated us out of two points today, but because it didn't change Taylor's failure to penalise hair pulling, it doesn't get counted.

Who knew Dean's 'retirement' would not be the last time he'd stitch us up?

From the replays Taylor was looking right at it. He is as much at fault as Dean is.

How in f**ks name does dean not At least tell Taylor to look at the monitor and decide if it is a red card offence or not?

1 minute ago, Phillip said:

How in f**ks name does dean not At least tell Taylor to look at the monitor and decide if it is a red card offence or not?

Because of this

 

Never forget this

VAR is irrelevant if the referee and his mates on the sidelines refused to view it, just like AT. There was no check for the offside for the first goal. If they viewed the replay for the second goal, how could they possibly ignore the hair pulling. The only excuse is they didn't see or refused to see it. Seriously, have we ever wronged  this Anthony Taylor guy, or he just out there being a C*t intentionally every time?

Let's do a Barca, call this illegal and lodge a lawsuit

 

3 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Never forget this

I've suspected that for some time. 

Got to get some better forwards who convert more of our opportunities to score, so that these cheating corrupt c**ts don't have the opportunity to affect the results of our games.

7 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Got to get some better forwards who convert more of our opportunities to score, so that these cheating corrupt c**ts don't have the opportunity to affect the results of our games.

When Zaha and Toney would be vast improvements to our forward lines ability to score you know something is very wrong.

Mount, Havertz and Sterling are not a front line to win you the title. They are just not ruthless enough in front of goal and frankly the two that were here are the biggest reasons neither the league cup nor FA Cup were won last season.

Premier League asks for review in to VAR after decision favours Chelsea. 
 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12689874/var-premier-league-asks-referees-body-pgmol-to-investigate-controversial-calls-at-chelsea-and-newcastle

Laughably there’s no mention of VVD’s red card let off for the dippers in there. 

So one of there little darlings west ham get done by VAR and there's to be an investigation, yet we get done twice in one game and still not even an actual apology.

32 minutes ago, dkw said:

So one of there little darlings west ham get done by VAR and there's to be an investigation, yet we get done twice in one game and still not even an actual apology.

It's a daft reaction from the Premier League ... it would surely add far more weight to the discussion with PGMOL if they had a bigger body of evidence to talk about ... why they would cherry pick their VAR mistakes makes me suspicious of what they are actually trying to achieve with all this ... 

Apparently Eriksen - who wasn't kicked but fell over on contact - was fouled, but Mendy - who was kicked - wasn't fouled.

I think we are being a bit drama queen about this. Yes we got screwd by VAR against Spurs but we got away with one yesterday. I can't believe anyone, after taking off blue tinted specs, genuinely thinks Mendy was fouled. That's a goal all day long.

A review of VAR and the way its used is long overdue but its because of umpteen weird decisions. Nothing to do with who did or didn't benefit. 

Personally I'd bin it and go back to the good old days of manning up and accepting refs make mistakes however the genie is out of the bottle now and we are faced with what was always the inevitable end point of VAR. Just about every decision, major or minor, in the build up to a goal for at least 3 or 4 minutes coming under scrutiny. 

I've always hated it and nothing in the years we have had it has made me change my mind. 

But portraying it as an anti Chelsea agenda is plain daft. Fans of just about every  club will quote as many examples of it f**king them over as we can and, equally, they will conveniently forget when it helped them, and, like yesterday some even be adamant it was right when it clearly wasn't.

VAR should be simple but has become too over complicated. Things are being looked at when there is no need and then you have other instances where refs aren't even going to the screen when they should. As always it's the inconsistencies that pisses off supporters, players & coaches alike.

The offside one could easily be rectified tomorrow. Just change the rule so that there has to be daylight between attacker and defender. Lets stop all these elbows, hand, big toe offside nonsense. We don't want to see stupid lines on screens. If there is daylight he is off, otherwise he's on - simple as that.

Edited September 4, 20223 yr by Nibs

15 minutes ago, Nibs said:

VAR should be simple but has become too over complicated. Things are being looked at when there is no need and then you have other instances where refs aren't even going to the screen when they should. As always it's the inconsistencies that pisses off supporters, players & coaches alike.

The offside one could easily be rectified tomorrow. Just change the rule so that there has to be daylight between attacker and defender. Lets stop all these elbows, hand, big toe offside nonsense. We don't want to see stupid lines on screens. If there is daylight he is off, otherwise he's on - simple as that.

That one against Leeds yesterday where their attacker was having his short pulled and then as he enters the box his waist is grabbed. Nothing is given and for complaining the Leeds manager is red carded. Makes me think the managers should have two challenges a half. 

I like the daylight on the offsides point too.

1 hour ago, loz said:

I think we are being a bit drama queen about this. Yes we got screwd by VAR against Spurs but we got away with one yesterday. I can't believe anyone, after taking off blue tinted specs, genuinely thinks Mendy was fouled. That's a goal all day long.

A review of VAR and the way its used is long overdue but its because of umpteen weird decisions. Nothing to do with who did or didn't benefit. 

Personally I'd bin it and go back to the good old days of manning up and accepting refs make mistakes however the genie is out of the bottle now and we are faced with what was always the inevitable end point of VAR. Just about every decision, major or minor, in the build up to a goal for at least 3 or 4 minutes coming under scrutiny. 

I've always hated it and nothing in the years we have had it has made me change my mind. 

But portraying it as an anti Chelsea agenda is plain daft. Fans of just about every  club will quote as many examples of it f**king them over as we can and, equally, they will conveniently forget when it helped them, and, like yesterday some even be adamant it was right when it clearly wasn't.

Agree with all of this.

what’s weird about the Mendy one (which 100% we got away with and was super soft) yesterday for me is this:

Bowen isn’t kicking Mendy, he’s leaving his leg lower than would he considered natural so that if Mendy rushes out he gets clipped, he’s playing for a penalty but just doesn’t time it well enough so instead of Mendy clipping him (and him 100% going down for a pen) he ends up tapping Mendy on the way through. 

For me there must be some line for scenarios like this that punishes the attacker, although again I don’t know if this instance would have broken that.