I love how emotionally intelligent TT is, he is also brutally honest and seems to not shy away from hard questions. 

4 minutes ago, Zola said:

I love how emotionally intelligent TT is, he is also brutally honest and seems to not shy away from hard questions. 

I was going to say the exact thing. He has handled the entire thing so well.

Even outside of the Lukaku thing, when we play crap he owns it and doesn't shy away, he comes across as very mature and assured. Top manager

 

 

Edited January 4, 20224 yr by azpi28

13 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

 

 

If that goal had been cancelled due to VAR than that was me done with football at this level, I genuinely wouldnt have bothered watching anymore.

1 minute ago, dkw said:

If that goal had been cancelled due to VAR than that was me done with football at this level, I genuinely wouldnt have bothered watching anymore.

I'm still pissed both the goals were even checked.

Just now, Argo said:

I'm still pissed both the goals were even checked.

to me it almost felt like deliberate bullying from the var  

2 minutes ago, Zola said:

I love how emotionally intelligent TT is, he is also brutally honest and seems to not shy away from hard questions. 

I agree. He handled the presser really well. The only question he ducked was the one asking if Lukaku will apologise to the fans. 

43 minutes ago, Zola said:

I love how emotionally intelligent TT is, he is also brutally honest and seems to not shy away from hard questions. 

True... He must have a very good EQ...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2022/jan/04/david-squires-romelu-lukaku-interview-thomas-tuchel-chelsea

1 hour ago, acidicleo said:

True... He must have a very good EQ...

 

he called thiago silva the benjamin button of football at the press conference today haha

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I'm still pissed both the goals were even checked.

It's annoying that such clean goals were so thoroughly checked by VAR. It was like they were looking for any reason to disallow them. It's happened a few times to us now, they go back so far just to find a reason to chalk off one of our goals. It never seems to be consistent with every team though. 

Why is VAR even being used like this? that was never the intention when it was bought in. I always thought it was bought in to clean up clear and obvious errors, not micromanage every part of the game. It's coming across like it's being abused by our refs depending on the team and situation, which is exactly what I feared would happen. I have always said that if you need to check multiple replays, at multiple angles and even slow it down, then there is no clear and obvious error. If it's clear and obvious, then it will show in the first replay you watch.

On the topic of refs, why is it okay for Liverpool to get yet another ref removed from duty after Klopp moans about them? The amount of crap we have put up with from Anthony Taylor never seems to result in him missing our games, but one moan from the Liverpool camp and the ref gets replaced. Even rival fans notice how many poor decisions Anthony Taylor gives against us at this point.

1 hour ago, Zola said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2022/jan/04/david-squires-romelu-lukaku-interview-thomas-tuchel-chelsea

 

Glad Tuchel handled this well. Many managers in our recent history would have allowed this to get bigger than it already was.

54 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

It's annoying that such clean goals were so thoroughly checked by VAR. It was like they were looking for any reason to disallow them. It's happened a few times to us now, they go back so far just to find a reason to chalk off one of our goals. It never seems to be consistent with every team though. 

Why is VAR even being used like this? that was never the intention when it was bought in. I always thought it was bought in to clean up clear and obvious errors, not micromanage every part of the game. It's coming across like it's being abused by our refs depending on the team and situation, which is exactly what I feared would happen. I have always said that if you need to check multiple replays, at multiple angles and even slow it down, then there is no clear and obvious error. If it's clear and obvious, then it will show in the first replay you watch.

On the topic of refs, why is it okay for Liverpool to get yet another ref removed from duty after Klopp moans about them? The amount of crap we have put up with from Anthony Taylor never seems to result in him missing our games, but one moan from the Liverpool camp and the ref gets replaced. Even rival fans notice how many poor decisions Anthony Taylor gives against us at this point.

The fans make a big deal about Taylor, those actually involved in the club just make thenodd comment, they'd onto go hard enough on it.

Really TT should take the touch line ban and fine that would come from taking 10 minutes of his press conference to show how biased Taylor us against us, all the wrongs. Then we may get him shifted.

Far as VAR goes, it is our biased and corrupted refs fault as they are still the ones making calls, probably been paid a handsome amount to make certain things happen.

Its so obvious why VAR is being skewed by human interference, its the same on field officiating team members doing the VAR duties, we all have colleagues/ mates at work we would back or not back, so we get these perplexing and unfair decisions that Mike Riley stands behind- again the boss at work protecting his workforce from outside scrutiny bc the same scrutiny then applies to him.  The solution a completely separate/ independent VAR officiating team ideally not reporting to MR; but practically they would have to. Nonetheless a semi autonomous team with a semi separate chain of command would imo improve VAR outcomes.

4 hours ago, dkw said:

If that goal had been cancelled due to VAR than that was me done with football at this level, I genuinely wouldnt have bothered watching anymore.

 

For being the richest & most popular league in the world, the level of refereeing is quite subpar. 

Isn't the FA doing anything about this?

They might want to hire some refs from the Bundi or La Liga for a change. 

2 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Glad Tuchel handled this well. Many managers in our recent history would have allowed this to get bigger than it already was.

I can imagine Jose v2.0 going on and on about bad eggs in supermarkets and Lukaku was the worst egg, etc. 

Honestly it doesn’t even surprise me anymore with Anthony Taylor, Tuchel has only been here for a year and he’s already aggrieved with him.

Last game has confirmed it for me, it’s quite literally every single game under Taylor there is controversy and it’s always against us.

Here’s an interesting stat, based on both games against Liverpool this season…

 

40 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Honestly it doesn’t even surprise me anymore with Anthony Taylor, Tuchel has only been here for a year and he’s already aggrieved with him.

Last game has confirmed it for me, it’s quite literally every single game under Taylor there is controversy and it’s always against us.

Here’s an interesting stat, based on both games against Liverpool this season…

 

Until people within the club take a stand it won't change 

57 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Honestly it doesn’t even surprise me anymore with Anthony Taylor, Tuchel has only been here for a year and he’s already aggrieved with him.

Last game has confirmed it for me, it’s quite literally every single game under Taylor there is controversy and it’s always against us.

Here’s an interesting stat, based on both games against Liverpool this season…

 

and that yellow should have been a red as well 

14 hours ago, acidicleo said:

True... He must have a very good EQ...

 

Yeah he is a vinyl record enthusiast. That makes me think he has an analog equalizer with some old feel to it.

And sorry...😀

 

8 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Honestly it doesn’t even surprise me anymore with Anthony Taylor, Tuchel has only been here for a year and he’s already aggrieved with him.

Last game has confirmed it for me, it’s quite literally every single game under Taylor there is controversy and it’s always against us.

Here’s an interesting stat, based on both games against Liverpool this season…

 

So in those 9 fouls Havertz "foul" against that Pool keeper where he was pushed by VVD during the last game is included? Astonishing, really.

In general I think it's strange that the same ref can officiate both "legs" during one season. Shouldn't be allowed imho.

Edited January 5, 20224 yr by weetee

With the latest reports of great unrest at Manchester United due to, among other things no faith in Rangnick and his coaches it's interesting to think back to a year ago when we asked him to be our interim but he rejected us due to not being offered a role after the season.

Thank goodness he did. Certainly wouldn't be Champions of Europe right now if he did and it's very unlikely we would have been in the Champions League this season even.

IMO they got it all backwards anyway at United and for a long time too at that. The club and also a good deal of their fanbase. Before the season they were title challengers - just to find out that their coach isn't good enough (who would have thought) and that the squad is at least questionable balanced only a few games in. Won a few games now with their interim without playing really that much better but eventually thought they were competing with Chelsea (and now Liverpool too) already. Now after losing one game it's all bad again and the interim should be fired for a better interim..that's utterly clueless imo. Their ridiculous win against PSG some time ago in the CL and their finish 2nd in the league last year after having to come back in THAT many games from behind with an outlier 9:1 against Southampton and a Bruno hitting all the right spots at the same Tim for that many games just blinded them (combined with the ol' Fergie time tinted glasses).

 

The thing with Rangnick imo very clearly is that he is basically doing the interim job to get a good insight into the squad to have a much better understanding to do the sporting director / general strategist type of thing next season. That's not crazy stupid at least and the squad should definitely be good enough to get a CL spot this year without an elite interim genius. Then RR steps back / up one level higher and will have a good basis to determine: which manager would be good for this squad? What does this squad need best? Who to sign, who to sort out etc pp.