3 minutes ago, Mana said:

I thought Mount was the answer though, since people here are going on and on about Mount being such quality.

Which is why I said before, Mount isn't consistent. I can't see him nowhere near a KDB, Thiago, Mane quality player. Or until maybe he's like 29 years old. But you can say the same thing to ALL the attackers that we have, and Mount is the best of the average bunch bar Havertz.

We need a huge overhaul. They just won the CL, CWC and SC and think they already done it all. I mean, tonight was absolutely disgusting. City or Liverpool would never put a performance like that.

I am talking of another central midfielder. Mount is an attacker at Chelsea. Even Mount himself needs better service from Midfield, then he will be able to score more goals for us.

The more time that passes the more frustrated I get.  That was a disgrace.  Let's look back in recent years vs Arsenal:

- Jan 2020 2-2 - despite being in the lead and Arsenal red card, N'Golo managed to fall on his ass and gift them a goal
- May 2020 FA Cup final - poor referring, but team bottled it and should never have lost
- Dec 2020 - Arsenal couldn't do a thing, but we roll up to Emirates and they win 3-0.  We didn't even try
- May 2021 - Jorginho backpass for simple goal
- Aug 2021 - we actually turned up
- Apr 2022 - 4 mistakes leading to 4 goals conceded at home yet again

These are rivals, and not only are we failing to be up for the game, we are making mistakes that you'd question from a Sunday league team.  Absolutely appalling.  Buck stops with TT.  AC should never play for the club again - I can't wait for his soft self to leave.  Sarr is good as a left back in a 4, but still not Chelsea quality.  I could do on.

Absolute disgrace.  A Spurs fan that happened to be at the game (yep, Chelsea vs. Arsenal) messaged with a comment that was one of the most pathetic performances he has ever seen from a team. 

Edited April 20, 20224 yr by PhilH930

7 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

I think some of the blame too should go to the coach and the club, not to the players only. Now that our Midfield today of Kante and Loftus Cheek was weak. Kovacic was injured and Jorginho probably not good enough for the match. 

 

I mean that's a clear contradiction right there. TT and his team are guided by medical department recommendations. Havertz has played a lot of high intensity minutes lately and we have 100m rotation option, so that's a no brainer. Werner and Mount are first choice right now and he started them. Kova injured and Jorgi would never be able to cope with Arsenal on the break. That's why we saw the Reece and Azpi swap as well. Plus RLC deserved a start after the last game.

Rudiger is injured. Silva is 37 and shouldn't be playing consecutive games anyway, unless you want high risk of a muscle injury. The other picked themselves. I had zero issues with the selection given the risks and injuries. He has to show some level of trust but of course some of the guys are clearly not good enough and some simply can't play in his system. It's better for that to be on display now. 

16 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

I mean that's a clear contradiction right there. TT and his team are guided by medical department recommendations. Havertz has played a lot of high intensity minutes lately and we have 100m rotation option, so that's a no brainer. Werner and Mount are first choice right now and he started them. Kova injured and Jorgi would never be able to cope with Arsenal on the break. That's why we saw the Reece and Azpi swap as well. Plus RLC deserved a start after the last game.

Rudiger is injured. Silva is 37 and shouldn't be playing consecutive games anyway, unless you want high risk of a muscle injury. The other picked themselves. I had zero issues with the selection given the risks and injuries. He has to show some level of trust but of course some of the guys are clearly not good enough and some simply can't play in his system. It's better for that to be on display now. 

Fully agree to a point but Chalobah should have started over Sarr.

The latter is out of his depth at top flight level let alone a top 6 clash.

Is not likely however when we lose the cup final the new owner may decide he wants a fresh start and moves on TT.

12 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Is not likely however when we lose the cup final the new owner may decide he wants a fresh start and moves on TT.

If the new owner does, I almost couldn’t careless at that point. My head’s gone. Especially if we lose the cup final.

Next season something has to change. I cannot take another Arsenal beating like this. It’s absolutely disgraceful on the highest level. If we lose to Arsenal but we gave 110%, fine but it’s pathetic after pathetic after pathetic performance.

 

FFS even Eddie Nketiah is scoring goals for fun against us. This guy never scored ALL season. That’s how pathetic this is.

Edited April 21, 20224 yr by Mana

Certainly not heading towards a good end to the season.

1 hour ago, Mana said:

If the new owner does, I almost couldn’t careless at that point. My head’s gone. Especially if we lose the cup final.

Next season something has to change. I cannot take another Arsenal beating like this. It’s absolutely disgraceful on the highest level. If we lose to Arsenal but we gave 110%, fine but it’s pathetic after pathetic after pathetic performance.

 

FFS even Eddie Nketiah is scoring goals for fun against us. This guy never scored ALL season. That’s how pathetic this is.

I agree that something will have to change next season, and we are not much different to the much derided Man United in that we are in need of a rebuild. We are currently marginally better than a pack of 4 teams that have  been underachieving in the league for years and it is only due to the lack of other contenders that we are in contention for top 4. If and when 1 or 2 of the other 3 teams improves that task will be harder. Not to mention teams like Newcastle will spend big this summer and could well be in the mix for top 4. We've recruited new players poorly (with a few exceptions) for several years. We've at least benefited from some academy talent and that has helped, but we have also made some poor decisions to let some very good young players leave (on loan or even permanently). For example last summer we could have offloaded Christensen and Sarr, keeping Tomori and Guehi. We chose to bring in Lukaku when we could have kept Abraham and spent the money on Rice.

The board has to take a hefty amount of blame for poor transfer decisions over the years. But Tuchel is also not blameless as he must have sanctioned many of those moves. I still don't understand how we thought it was OK to go through the second half of the season with 1 recognized LWB. 

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Certainly not heading towards a good end to the season.

I think we will stumble to 3rd place, helped by the continued failure of teams below us. We will have to produce our best performance of the season if we are to have any chance in the Cup final.

The performance was terrible bar Mount and Timo.

Tuchel needs to look himself in the mirror and start singling out the ones that should be shipped off this summer. 

I can take losing to Brentford, Real Madrid but Arsenal? That takes the piss. Their side isn't even in the top 5 in their respective positions in the league and they made us look like chumps. 

Sort it out Tuchel. James at CB? Azpi RWB? Not the game to tinker

Sarr, Lukaku and Christensen needs to pack their bags. The sheer level of incompetence is mind-numbing. How are these people able to bring home millions annually playing like that?

I'll be watching the FA cup final but I'm done with the league. We just need 4 wins to secure 3rd and we can't even manage it against Arse. Ridiculous

1 hour ago, Mana said:

If the new owner does, I almost couldn’t careless at that point. My head’s gone. Especially if we lose the cup final.

Next season something has to change. I cannot take another Arsenal beating like this. It’s absolutely disgraceful on the highest level. If we lose to Arsenal but we gave 110%, fine but it’s pathetic after pathetic after pathetic performance.

 

FFS even Eddie Nketiah is scoring goals for fun against us. This guy never scored ALL season. That’s how pathetic this is.

I do feel for fans like you. The ones with family, friends, coworkers etc who are gunners and are going to give you no end of carp.

Is one thing losing to them, is another to see a gutless, spineless performances form a group that did not give a sh*t.

Happens time and again and why I say we are not at Pools or Cities level. In a one off game we can match them, but over a league campaign we lack the focus and desire to match them.

Have done since Contes first season. 

4 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

The more time that passes the more frustrated I get.  That was a disgrace.  Let's look back in recent years vs Arsenal:

- Jan 2020 2-2 - despite being in the lead and Arsenal red card, N'Golo managed to fall on his ass and gift them a goal
- May 2020 FA Cup final - poor referring, but team bottled it and should never have lost
- Dec 2020 - Arsenal couldn't do a thing, but we roll up to Emirates and they win 3-0.  We didn't even try
- May 2021 - Jorginho backpass for simple goal
- Aug 2021 - we actually turned up
- Apr 2022 - 4 mistakes leading to 4 goals conceded at home yet again

These are rivals, and not only are we failing to be up for the game, we are making mistakes that you'd question from a Sunday league team.  Absolutely appalling.  Buck stops with TT.  AC should never play for the club again - I can't wait for his soft self to leave.  Sarr is good as a left back in a 4, but still not Chelsea quality.  I could do on.

Our poor record against Arsenal can be traced back to the days when Conte was coaching us.

• September 24 2016 (Premier League) = Arsenal 3-0 Chelsea
• February 4 2017 (Premier League) = Chelsea 3-1 Arsenal
• May 27 2017 (FA Cup) = Arsenal 2-1 Chelsea
• August 6 2017 (Community Shield) = Arsenal 1-1 Chelsea
• September 17 2017 (Premier League) = Chelsea 0-0 Arsenal
• January 3 2018 (Premier League) = Arsenal 2-2 Chelsea
• January 10 2018 (League Cup) = Arsenal 0-0 Chelsea
• January 24 2018 (League Cup) = Arsenal 2-1 Chelsea
• August 18 2018 (Premier League) = Chelsea 3-2 Arsenal
• January 19 2019 (Premier League) = Arsenal 2-0 Chelsea
• May 29 2019 (Europa League) = Chelsea 4-1 Arsenal
• December 29 2019 (Premier League) = Arsenal 1-2 Chelsea
• January 21 2020 (Premier League) = Chelsea 2-2 Arsenal
• August 1 2020 (FA Cup) = Arsenal 2-1 Chelsea
• December 26 2020 (Premier League) = Arsenal 3-1 Chelsea
• May 12 2021 (Premier League) = Chelsea 0-1 Arsenal
• August 22 2021 (Premier League) = Arsenal 0-2 Chelsea
• April 20 2022 (Premier League) = Chelsea 2-4 Arsenal

18 games = 5 wins, 5 draws, 8 losses

The Europa League Final was obviously the big highlight among those 18 games, but two FA Cup Final losses hurts.

Easy to forget that we did the double over them in the tumultuous 2015/16 season.

5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Is not likely however when we lose the cup final the new owner may decide he wants a fresh start and moves on TT.

I'm doubting his ability to challenge for the  title with his tinkering,don't get me wrong I like TT but his flaws are showing.

8 hours ago, Nibs said:

You truly don't understand English football and London rivalry. It is inexcusable NOT to be up for a game like tonight. That is exactly what is wrong with this squad of players.

I've never really cared about the arsenal rivalry. Tottenham are the ones I'm up for. I'm from London by the way.

6 hours ago, venom2011 said:

I mean that's a clear contradiction right there. TT and his team are guided by medical department recommendations. Havertz has played a lot of high intensity minutes lately and we have 100m rotation option, so that's a no brainer. Werner and Mount are first choice right now and he started them. Kova injured and Jorgi would never be able to cope with Arsenal on the break. That's why we saw the Reece and Azpi swap as well. Plus RLC deserved a start after the last game.

Rudiger is injured. Silva is 37 and shouldn't be playing consecutive games anyway, unless you want high risk of a muscle injury. The other picked themselves. I had zero issues with the selection given the risks and injuries. He has to show some level of trust but of course some of the guys are clearly not good enough and some simply can't play in his system. It's better for that to be on display now

When you have a younger player like Chalobah who can be developed into a very important player for us in the defence but you don't use him, you are using Aspilicueta. That decision was questionable.

If Rudiger is injured, then why can't we use the system we used against Real Madrid at Bernabeu? Play four at the back with Thiago Silva and Chalobah instead of Sarr and Christensen. I've said that the 3-4-3 formation will not work in every match. And I thought TT would have learnt his lesson in that first leg against Real Madrid at Stamford Bridge, but clearly TT didn't learn any lesson.

Reading this meltdown has made my morning. Thanks all 🙂

 

 

 

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Happens time and again and why I say we are not at Pools or Cities level. In a one off game we can match them, but over a league campaign we lack the focus and desire to match them.

Have done since Contes first season. 

This is what annoys me. You need to see how pissed I always get when I see Man City and Liverpool above us. Yes, Man City and Liverpool could have recruited well in the last years, but we also should have recruited well during that time.

We have no excuse to be this poor

8 hours ago, Argo said:

Fully agree to a point but Chalobah should have started over Sarr.

The latter is out of his depth at top flight level let alone a top 6 clash.

I wouldn't have minded seeing him the in starting XI but people are mentioning his name as if he's prime Desailly. Chalobah had some bad games before he was dropped and had been making uncapitalised errors all season. His general play hasn't been much better than Sarr apart from scoring - positioning and decision-making errors in abundance. Sarr is also a more natural fit for the LCB role so again, I don't have a major issue with that selection choice. 

Just now, venom2011 said:

I wouldn't have minded seeing him the in starting XI but people are mentioning his name as if he's prime Desailly. Chalobah had some bad games before he was dropped and had been making uncapitalised errors all season. His general play hasn't been much better than Sarr apart from scoring - positioning and decision-making errors in abundance. Sarr is also a more natural fit for the LCB role so again, I don't have a major issue with that selection choice. 

I'm not saying Trevoh is perfect and I personally believe his ceiling here is that of a squad player but there's bad and then there's bad, Sarr is the latter. 

I have not seen such incompetent defensive performances as what I've seen from him. He's a lovely guy by all accounts and tries hard but is spectacularly out of his depth.

He should never play for us again.

Just now, Argo said:

He should never play for us again.

Fully agree. He should be sold or used as a loan asset. No need to fill a spot that can go to Colwill. 

Points per home league game, Roman Abramovich era:

2.55 - Ancelotti
2.53 - Mourinho v1
2.32 - Conte
2.21 - Sarri
2.14 - Mourinho v2
2.11 - Ranieri
1.82 - Lampard
1.76 - Tuchel

1 hour ago, Blueboys said:

Reading this meltdown has made my morning. Thanks all 🙂

I can understand being pissed off with the team Tuchel put out and letting off a bit of steam but I’m still glad he’s our manager.

How many times has the ‘Tuchel Insanity Selection’ gone right compared to when it’s gone wrong? He went a bit far with it last night but he’s usually spot on with it all. 

He knows exactly what we need, he just forgot Thiago at the back for 45 minutes!
 

 

1 minute ago, JM7 said:

Points per home league game, Roman Abramovich era:

2.55 - Ancelotti
2.53 - Mourinho v1
2.32 - Conte
2.21 - Sarri
2.14 - Mourinho v2
2.11 - Ranieri
1.82 - Lampard
1.76 - Tuchel

Do you think the PL would let us play every game away next season? 100% record, new goals scored record and first team not to concede a single goal all season I reckon 

Sarr had a tough time against Plymouth, so playing him in a London derby against Arsenal is up there with Tuchels biggest mistakes since his been our manager.