He’s probably already pissed off Southampton by not getting their name right!

Tuchel blew this game 100 percent. This is 2 games he in a row that he has had his tactics wrong. 

Playing azpi at left wingback was catastrophic and hence left pulisic isolated. 

Real have only 2 danger men in vinicius and benzema and it is obvious we had no plan to stifle them. Playing rudiger on the right of the back 3 to mark vinicius tightly would have been perfect .

 

6 hours ago, charierre said:

 

Well he certainly is not wrong as for sure those things happen if we keep playing like this.

Best get that transfer request ready @Munkworth

Apparently TT gave the players a piece of his mind at the meeting today.

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2022/4/8/23016505/hudson-odoi-out-ziyech-lukaku-doubtful-as-tuchel-gives-the-team-a-piece-of-his-mind

See how they respond to that.

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Apparently TT gave the players a piece of his mind at the meeting today.

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2022/4/8/23016505/hudson-odoi-out-ziyech-lukaku-doubtful-as-tuchel-gives-the-team-a-piece-of-his-mind

See how they respond to that.

Southampton should be a good test, I expect a high intensity game. A win here and we're slowly getting back on track, but early days. Not writing off our chances vs Real anything is possible(I believe its very possible) but getting a strong finish to the league season and getting past palace in the Fa Cup will be the main assignment. 

Whilst our defence in the past 2 games has looked awful its still our finishing that haunts us.At the end of the day not much has changed from when TT arrived in terms of our finishing, we do still struggle to breakdown teams and score more than 2 goals especially against elite competition. The squad is sorely lacking that world class diminutive figure. On occasions we put on goalscoring masterclasses but not often enough. 

I still believe last season was harder than this season despite what we've had to deal with. I think it was having every single game treated as a final that raised our level, despite the adversity we've faced this season, I think a certain level of complacency crept into some players.

Being world champions is a great honour and whilst you dream of defending the crown, the level of motivation compared to winning it for a first time pales in comparison. It's why the great teams of the past are so great, being able to go again is the hardest part of the game for me.

 

 

Not sure what he’s said to the players but he’s managed to get them up to 120% today. The line up wasn’t great on paper, but it’s worked very well, which shows that when players try their best they can play fast, direct football.

2 hours ago, RMH said:

Not sure what he’s said to the players but he’s managed to get them up to 120% today. The line up wasn’t great on paper, but it’s worked very well, which shows that when players try their best they can play fast, direct football.

IMO it's the opposition to be thanked mostly, the Saints played tactically bad and auto-lost the game from the get-go.

I didn't expect them to play so high up against us because basically nobody does it, our tactic shines against teams that play like Southampton so no wonder even Werner could score. I hope this result doesn't give the players the false confidence because Real Madrid knew how to set up against our tactic so when you compare the last two matches it's night and day. We're not as good and Southampton is not as bad as the result shows.

6 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

IMO it's the opposition to be thanked mostly, the Saints played tactically bad and auto-lost the game from the get-go.

I didn't expect them to play so high up against us because basically nobody does it, our tactic shines against teams that play like Southampton so no wonder even Werner could score. I hope this result doesn't give the players the false confidence because Real Madrid knew how to set up against our tactic so when you compare the last two matches it's night and day. We're not as good and Southampton is not as bad as the result shows.

As I said in another topic, I don’t completely agree with the story that Southampton handed it over to us. We started with an intensity that got them by surprise. Within the first few minutes we had created more chances than in the last few games together, and that is down to our team not to Soton being Norwich. We haven’t started like that in many games this season, and things would have gone differently if we’d pressed like that against Brentford or Real Madrid.

1 hour ago, RMH said:

As I said in another topic, I don’t completely agree with the story that Southampton handed it over to us. We started with an intensity that got them by surprise. Within the first few minutes we had created more chances than in the last few games together, and that is down to our team not to Soton being Norwich. We haven’t started like that in many games this season, and things would have gone differently if we’d pressed like that against Brentford or Real Madrid.

Don't get me wrong I'm not taking anything away from our players, I'm sure that they all had the right attitude and work rate and so on and they got rewarded with a huge victory.

How I see the game was won is still mainly a tactical victory, I have said in the past that I hope teams would dare to play an open game against us and this is exactly why. From the first minute you could notice that our press isn't going to allow Southampton to have the time on the ball and they couldn't make a real sequence of play, ball was won and lost fast and in that game our players could quickly expose the open areas of the pitch and even when our backline failed to win the ball someone committed a fast foul and all our team had to do defensively was to make a clearance from a set piece but tactically Rudiger making a mistake and gifting a corner kick early on didn't really matter since our back 3 were high up the pitch and our press was making it impossible for Southampton to create a real attack with runs into space or with having the ball in our final third. 

I thought that Southampton would play deep and hit us on the counter similarly like Juventus did but they actually tried to compete for possession, I mean their backline was high up the pitch and Havertz and Werner were pressing so how did they expect to pass to their midfielders when they are getting overrun by an extra player there? Try a long ball? It's lost cause Rudiger is already at the middle of the pitch and it goes long, but lose the ball and you're in danger...

For me the game was over after Mount scored from outside of the box, I wish other teams played a high backline with 2 strikers against us because our midfield and full-backs would run over basically any team like that, tactically speaking.

In Madrid however I don't expect Alonso to start, even if he scored here the first goal and same story with RLC even if he could have had an assist after the first 5-6 minutes.

 

11 hours ago, RMH said:

As I said in another topic, I don’t completely agree with the story that Southampton handed it over to us. We started with an intensity that got them by surprise. Within the first few minutes we had created more chances than in the last few games together, and that is down to our team not to Soton being Norwich. We haven’t started like that in many games this season, and things would have gone differently if we’d pressed like that against Brentford or Real Madrid.

I think we would struggle against Brentford again, they’ve figured it out against us. We really struggled against them first game and Mendy kept us in it and we were well beaten last game. Unless Tuchel changes formation and tactics, I can see them beating us again.

12 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Don't get me wrong I'm not taking anything away from our players, I'm sure that they all had the right attitude and work rate and so on and they got rewarded with a huge victory.

How I see the game was won is still mainly a tactical victory, I have said in the past that I hope teams would dare to play an open game against us and this is exactly why. From the first minute you could notice that our press isn't going to allow Southampton to have the time on the ball and they couldn't make a real sequence of play, ball was won and lost fast and in that game our players could quickly expose the open areas of the pitch and even when our backline failed to win the ball someone committed a fast foul and all our team had to do defensively was to make a clearance from a set piece but tactically Rudiger making a mistake and gifting a corner kick early on didn't really matter since our back 3 were high up the pitch and our press was making it impossible for Southampton to create a real attack with runs into space or with having the ball in our final third. 

I thought that Southampton would play deep and hit us on the counter similarly like Juventus did but they actually tried to compete for possession, I mean their backline was high up the pitch and Havertz and Werner were pressing so how did they expect to pass to their midfielders when they are getting overrun by an extra player there? Try a long ball? It's lost cause Rudiger is already at the middle of the pitch and it goes long, but lose the ball and you're in danger...

For me the game was over after Mount scored from outside of the box, I wish other teams played a high backline with 2 strikers against us because our midfield and full-backs would run over basically any team like that, tactically speaking.

In Madrid however I don't expect Alonso to start, even if he scored here the first goal and same story with RLC even if he could have had an assist after the first 5-6 minutes.

 

I agree with you that we play well against teams that don’t sit back, hence why we always are levelled against Liverpool or why we looked so good yesterday. But the attitude counts too, and our players did not have the same attitude against Real Madrid, a team that did not sit back and outplayed us in intensity with players that are well over 30 and used to a physically weaker league. So my point, I think, still stands. Come out with intensity and intent and we can create chances early in the game to score and open up the buses.

2 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

I think we would struggle against Brentford again, they’ve figured it out against us. We really struggled against them first game and Mendy kept us in it and we were well beaten last game. Unless Tuchel changes formation and tactics, I can see them beating us again.

I think that had we started with the same intensity, we’d have scored earlier and beaten them. But it’s not often that the players have this motivation, maybe against Liverpool, Juve at home and yesterday. But this is just an opinion and we will never know.

36 minutes ago, RMH said:

I think that had we started with the same intensity, we’d have scored earlier and beaten them. But it’s not often that the players have this motivation, maybe against Liverpool, Juve at home and yesterday. But this is just an opinion and we will never know.

It was cl qf against rm on the bridge, you do not need to do anything to fire the team up. There are game where motivation is the issue but against Madrid clearly wasn't one of them.

Got all of his subs wrong tonight not one brought anything to the game 

Just now, Andy2461 said:

Got all of his subs wrong tonight not one brought anything to the game 

He didn’t have much on the bench to work with to be fair. 
 

 

4 minutes ago, Andy2461 said:

Got all of his subs wrong tonight not one brought anything to the game 

I think the subs were fine part from taking away Werner right after he scored a great goal, fluke or not after such a goal you keep that player in, in my book... Our gameplan was to try and score again and Havertz had a total freebie that most attackers should score without any difficulty so it's not really the subs that didn't work just the finishing touch.

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

I think the subs were fine part from taking away Werner right after he scored a great goal, fluke or not after such a goal you keep that player in, in my book... Our gameplan was to try and score again and Havertz had a total freebie that most attackers should score without any difficulty so it's not really the subs that didn't work just the finishing touch.

their's scored all his headers barring one.. ours fluffed two one by havertz and lukaku each

He almost pulled it off, hats off to him, only mistake he made was pulling Timo off, that aside he is a master tactician, the new owners first job is to nail down Tuchel to Chelsea for the next 5 years and back him in the market, then go and get Rudigers pen to paper.

Our bench sucked compared to theirs. Having Camavinga and Marcelo as backup is crazy.

Tuchel did well in both games. It was the individual errors that cost us

3 minutes ago, Jangz said:

their's scored all his headers barring one.. ours fluffed two one by havertz and lukaku each

It's unbelievable that both missed such gifts...

I wouldn't trade him for any manager in the world in any period of time. Class act and brilliant tactically as well.

Edited April 12, 20224 yr by Brigadeiro Mk II

10 minutes ago, Deino said:

Our bench sucked compared to theirs. Having Camavinga and Marcelo as backup is crazy.

Tuchel did well in both games. It was the individual errors that cost us

Marcelo is 400 years old. It says more about our bench, that you consider them impact subs. Saul can just stay in Madrid. He was so bad, I was missing the big oaf.

9 minutes ago, ElTerrible said:

Marcelo is 400 years old. It says more about our bench, that you consider them impact subs. Saul can just stay in Madrid. He was so bad, I was missing the big oaf.

Marcelo is a vampire. The guy has been in his late twenties since 10 years ago

Thank you TT, you did us proud once again. Hope he sticks around for a long time.

Brilliant.

Give him 10 year contract.