I can't believe people are discussing sacking tuchel as if anyone connected to the club is even considering it. 

Tuchel is the prized possession of our club right now and the reason we've had a good season. He's the reason we could win the title in the next 3 years. 

Lose tuchel and we lose relevance for the next decade.

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

We will never know now @Dean but I believe this recent run, the real exit and a likely cup final loss would have seen Roman sack TT.

The new owner may be more forgiving or less so, we shall see. Without the FA Cup this season is a few steps back and a failure.

Tell me one manager in the world that could have done better with this team. If we had any of our previous manager bar Conte we wouldnt even be third in the league let alone winning the champions league last year, world club cup etc. Our team is lacking at least 5 first teamers to compete with man city and Liverpool. 

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I can't believe people are discussing sacking tuchel as if anyone connected to the club is even considering it. 

Tuchel is the prized possession of our club right now and the reason we've had a good season. He's the reason we could win the title in the next 3 years. 

Lose tuchel and we lose relevance for the next decade.

We literally don't know who the club's new owner will be and who they will answer too. So we cannot say of any of those 3 potential owners would consider it or not.

2 hours ago, Gentian said:

Tell me one manager in the world that could have done better with this team. If we had any of our previous manager bar Conte we wouldnt even be third in the league let alone winning the champions league last year, world club cup etc. Our team is lacking at least 5 first teamers to compete with man city and Liverpool. 

Any of our previous managers? Bold statement, Jose mark 1 is still our best manager, and Carlo was and remains a top manager still. Would they have done better than TT? I don't know, maybe, maybe not. Maybe Pep or Klopp would do better, again maybe, maybe not.

I think some people forget in what condition our squad was when Tuchel arrived and how we grew ever since. 

Quality wise (especially since we lost Eden) we are way below Liverpool and City. Despite that Tuchel was able to push us from high mid table spot to a CL spot. 

He brought us trophies (the biggest of them all being one of them) and a hand full of finals. He is here only since 2021. 

Chelsea hasn't done many transfers ever since. 

Obvisouly we got Lukaku (we all now how that goes). But we also lost sold some players (like Tammy). 

I also can't name many managers that would have done a better job. He is for me the right man for the club for a long term. 

Let him mold the players and design the squad he needs. Liverpool was in a similar position before Klopp (who is also an incredible manager) and look where they are now. 

 

9 hours ago, Nibs said:

Just shows the difference between us and the dippers right now. If TAA wasn't up to playing his usual wing back role, he wouldn't play at all. It was pointless playing James where we did as he had a poor game and was totally ineffective. 

 

It was only a week ago he had such a good game in that same position at The Bernabeu.

Also while I appreciate the first team is a totally different level of football it was in that position he elevated himself to star prospect and the 2017 and 2018 teams (the two best at youth level probably since the Busby babes) had him playing in that position.

While I agree Azpi despite his goal shouldn't be at wingback the idea that Tuchel is sticking James in an alien position just isn't true. Hopefully we bring Livramento back and establish a partnership on that side.

 

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

We literally don't know who the club's new owner will be and who they will answer too. So we cannot say of any of those 3 potential owners would consider it or not.

No new owner has ever got rid of a world class manager because their face doesn't fit. It only ever happens when the manager isn't good enough for the clubs ambitions (Ranieri or Hughes) or is a crap manager who shouldn't have even been there in the first place (Bruce).

If we get an ambitious owner they will know they can't get any better and if we get a parasite one they'll go all out to keep Tuchel because he'll be able to have us competing inspite of them like Fergie did with The Glazers.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

It was only a week ago he had such a good game in that same position at The Bernabeu.

Also while I appreciate the first team is a totally different level of football it was in that position he elevated himself to star prospect and the 2017 and 2018 teams (the two best at youth level probably since the Busby babes) had him playing in that position.

While I agree Azpi despite his goal shouldn't be at wingback the idea that Tuchel is sticking James in an alien position just isn't true. Hopefully we bring Livramento back and establish a partnership on that side.

 

I saw that name dropping already a few times. 

But is there any indication that we are willing to get Livramento back? Wasn't he sold? 

Or is there an affordable buy-back clause? 

7 minutes ago, Night-T said:

I saw that name dropping already a few times. 

But is there any indication that we are willing to get Livramento back? Wasn't he sold? 

Or is there an affordable buy-back clause? 

There's a buy back clause kicking in next summer. At this minute it's just hope on my part it just makes sense to bring him back.

Best manager we`ve ever had has the worst home record....

 

Points per home league game, Roman Abramovich era:

2.55 - Ancelotti
2.53 - Mourinho v1
2.32 - Conte
2.21 - Sarri
2.14 - Mourinho v2
2.11 - Ranieri
1.82 - Lampard
1.76 - Tuchel

Home record needs work. But overall he's only behind Mourinho v1 for PPG. Which is very impressive considering all the sh*t we've had to deal with this season.

8 hours ago, Gentian said:

Tell me one manager in the world that could have done better with this team. If we had any of our previous manager bar Conte we wouldnt even be third in the league let alone winning the champions league last year, world club cup etc. Our team is lacking at least 5 first teamers to compete with man city and Liverpool. 

I think 5 is a bit of a stretch. We could have realistically competed with them this season which is saying something about how good Tuchel is. But let's say you gave the same squad to Pep to compete for the title and then tell him the following:

1. In order to compete against City and Liverpool, you will need your squad at full strength for the majority of the season. But unfortunately your squad will have more injuries (incl covid) this season than they've had for any in the last decade, and certainly worse than Liverpool in 2021. 

2. The squad is still unbalanced with players like Alonso and Jorginho not fit for your style of play. And the only player we're bring in won't fit the style either. 

3. The club will be in turmoil for a good while with ownership changes and expiring contracts affecting player performances. 

4. We can't get Hakimi, Kounde or Haaland. We can't find a club for Alonso so we'll need to loan out Emerson instead. 

I think Pep would hand in his resignation immediately. 

3 hours ago, dkw said:

Best manager we`ve ever had has the worst home record....

Points per home league game, Roman Abramovich era:

2.55 - Ancelotti
2.53 - Mourinho v1
2.32 - Conte
2.21 - Sarri
2.14 - Mourinho v2
2.11 - Ranieri
1.82 - Lampard
1.76 - Tuchel

Points per away league game, Roman Abramovich era:

• 2.24 - Tuchel
• 2.13 - Mourinho v1
• 2.05 - Ranieri
• 1.97 - Conte
• 1.67 - Mourinho v2
• 1.58 - Ancelotti
• 1.58 - Sarri
• 1.52 - Lampard

15 minutes ago, Jezz said:

Points per away league game, Roman Abramovich era:

• 2.24 - Tuchel
• 2.13 - Mourinho v1
• 2.05 - Ranieri
• 1.97 - Conte
• 1.67 - Mourinho v2
• 1.58 - Ancelotti
• 1.58 - Sarri
• 1.52 - Lampard

So average of home away is this:-

2.53 + 2.13     2.33       Mourinho v1
2.32 + 1.97     2.145     Conte
2.11 + 2.05     2.08       Ranieri
2.55 + 1.58     2.065     Ancelotti
1.76 + 2.24     2.00       Tuchel
2.14 + 1.67     1.905     Mourinho v2
2.21 + 1.58     1.895     Sarri
1.82 + 1.52     1.67       Lampard

 

So hes currently our 6th best for points per game average......yay.

10 minutes ago, dkw said:

So average of home away is this:-

2.53 + 2.13     2.33       Mourinho v1
2.32 + 1.97     2.145     Conte
2.11 + 2.05     2.08       Ranieri
2.55 + 1.58     2.065     Ancelotti
1.76 + 2.24     2.00       Tuchel
2.14 + 1.67     1.905     Mourinho v2
2.21 + 1.58     1.895     Sarri
1.82 + 1.52     1.67       Lampard

 

So hes currently our 6th best for points per game average......yay.

5th best?

You know it's not the 00s any more. We aren't the richest team in europe. The only true comparison who is better is conte, and even then conte failed to get us top 4 in his second season. Which tuchel hasn't failed at.

That table just tells me tuchel is a great manager. And if he gets a transfer window (and a new pitch) were only going to get better. 

If he leaves, our next manager will have a ppg closer to lampard than conte. 

Edited April 22, 20224 yr by bisright1

39 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

5th best

And the best at winning the most titles in the shortest amount of time.

Which is what actually matters.

Fifth best in our history, with a ridiculously hard season behind us with more games than any side in Europe and sh*t luck with injuries, Covid, sanctions and a thin squad. Which he's not even had the chance to build. Yeah he's proper sh*t isn't he 🤣

4 hours ago, venom2011 said:

I think 5 is a bit of a stretch. We could have realistically competed with them this season which is saying something about how good Tuchel is. But let's say you gave the same squad to Pep to compete for the title and then tell him the following:

1. In order to compete against City and Liverpool, you will need your squad at full strength for the majority of the season. But unfortunately your squad will have more injuries (incl covid) this season than they've had for any in the last decade, and certainly worse than Liverpool in 2021. 

2. The squad is still unbalanced with players like Alonso and Jorginho not fit for your style of play. And the only player we're bring in won't fit the style either. 

3. The club will be in turmoil for a good while with ownership changes and expiring contracts affecting player performances. 

4. We can't get Hakimi, Kounde or Haaland. We can't find a club for Alonso so we'll need to loan out Emerson instead. 

I think Pep would hand in his resignation immediately. 

I should have said for next season. IF Christensen, rudiger and Azpi leave which is looking likely than we need at least 2 new defenders.

We need at least 1 more quality midfielder as currently Jorginho is out of form and probably wants to go back to italy. 

I would get rid off Lukaku and replace him with the benfica striker Nunez, looks a beast. 

Also, would be nice to have a new winger.

That is what is needed next season the minimum to give Tuchel a fighting chance for the title. 

Tuchel for me has shown he is capable of being our long term manager. That being said, I won't ignore his two most blatant flaws. 

- Tweaks his system to the extent it disrupts the entire chemistry of the players. Far too many times we have seen him either rotate to heavily and/or change up the system where it affects the players. Klopp and Pep are criticised for sticking with their guns even though it is evident changes are needed so this flaw Tuchel has isn't necessary a bad one, particularly if we have enough quality in depth to make such changes. 

- He has failed to improve a single attacking player. He's been here for over a year and not one player that has been brought in has matched their form at their former club. Obviously this can all change should he be given time and get his players. 

 

That being said, he has a system proven to work and he's deserved time to see if he can get rid of those two flaws by acquiring his team. 

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Tuchel for me has shown he is capable of being our long term manager. That being said, I won't ignore his two most blatant flaws. 

- Tweaks his system to the extent it disrupts the entire chemistry of the players. Far too many times we have seen him either rotate to heavily and/or change up the system where it affects the players. Klopp and Pep are criticised for sticking with their guns even though it is evident changes are needed so this flaw Tuchel has isn't necessary a bad one, particularly if we have enough quality in depth to make such changes. 

- He has failed to improve a single attacking player. He's been here for over a year and not one player that has been brought in has matched their form at their former club. Obviously this can all change should he be given time and get his players. 

 

That being said, he has a system proven to work and he's deserved time to see if he can get rid of those two flaws by acquiring his team. 

On the first point - most major changes to the system have been out of necessity. Pep has been criticised for not rotating AND rotating too much at times, so really means nothing except for the end result. The only slight issue I've noted is he tried to fit in Lukaku at the cost of team performance for a bit too long. And occasionally his subs have been a little late. But nothing worth mentioning really.

On the second, Havertz, Odoi, and Werner are actually better than they were under Lampard. Lukaku is new, and there have been ton of disruptive injuries to Pulisic, Odoi and Ziyech. Matching their form at their former club is irrelevant as this is a different team and league.

Defensively, we've seen great improvement from James and Rudiger especially. 

12 hours ago, Argo said:

It was only a week ago he had such a good game in that same position at The Bernabeu.

Also while I appreciate the first team is a totally different level of football it was in that position he elevated himself to star prospect and the 2017 and 2018 teams (the two best at youth level probably since the Busby babes) had him playing in that position.

While I agree Azpi despite his goal shouldn't be at wingback the idea that Tuchel is sticking James in an alien position just isn't true. Hopefully we bring Livramento back and establish a partnership on that side.

 

 

I know James isn't alien to playing there, just as when he was at Wigan he was sometimes played in midfield. But looking at him now, his strength is playing right wing back. Look at us at the start of the season, James and Chilwell were ripping it up and majority of pundits were tippling us to win the PL and if both had stayed fit, who knows where we might be now?

No, for me has HAS to play there rather than as part of a back three which is a complete waste of his talents.  

On 21/04/2022 at 17:02, axman2526 said:

What I have found most annoying is how ridged we stick to the 343 at home. It has proven very useful away from home and in big matches at times but Brentford and Arsenal showed it does not make us any better defensively and hurts us offensively. Ramsdale and the Brentford keeper basically had no saves to make. We need to be more direct in our forward passing and have more attackers on the pitch.

I hope we go to a back 4 more often next season. When we have played 4 at the back at times this season we played well.

28 minutes ago, Nibs said:

 

I know James isn't alien to playing there, just as when he was at Wigan he was sometimes played in midfield. But looking at him now, his strength is playing right wing back. Look at us at the start of the season, James and Chilwell were ripping it up and majority of pundits were tippling us to win the PL and if both had stayed fit, who knows where we might be now?

No, for me has HAS to play there rather than as part of a back three which is a complete waste of his talents.  

I don't agree that it's a complete waste if he plays there. The wide CBs in this system can push up into midfield and around the box which suits him as well. The problem is that, for the majority of the season, we've lost that fluidity because of the Chilwell injury. The right side has had to do quite a bit of covering for Alonso. 

Also, I'm sure the original plan was James RCB and Hakimi RWB. That would have been an iconic partnership if we managed do the deal. 

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

 

I know James isn't alien to playing there, just as when he was at Wigan he was sometimes played in midfield. But looking at him now, his strength is playing right wing back. Look at us at the start of the season, James and Chilwell were ripping it up and majority of pundits were tippling us to win the PL and if both had stayed fit, who knows where we might be now?

No, for me has HAS to play there rather than as part of a back three which is a complete waste of his talents.  

@venom2011has got there first but I disagree he's wasted there (a two man CB for sure but three man is a totally different ball game), infact until TT came up with the inverted WB idea I would have preffered him at RCB full stop as I feel he is average attacking wise as a hug the touchline wingback. 

Some of Azpi's best attacking contributions have come from that position (especially when Morata was here) and Reece will often find himself in the areas he was in for his wonder goal at Brighton or his assist to Tammy vs Villa, crossing angles are a lot better/easier in that half space aswell.

Anyone who even ponders the thought of sacking TT should be put in an asylum.

31 minutes ago, Argo said:

@venom2011has got there first but I disagree he's wasted there (a two man CB for sure but three man is a totally different ball game), infact until TT came up with the inverted WB idea I would have preffered him at RCB full stop as I feel he is average attacking wise as a hug the touchline wingback. 

Some of Azpi's best attacking contributions have come from that position (especially when Morata was here) and Reece will often find himself in the areas he was in for his wonder goal at Brighton or his assist to Tammy vs Villa, crossing angles are a lot better/easier in that half space aswell.

And the goals + assists he's scored as RWB? He obviously has instincts in front of goal, particularly from a wide area that he wouldn't ever find as RCB. 

Only contributions he'd provide is the blue moon screamer similar to Brighton. He is wasted there. 

33 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

And the goals + assists he's scored as RWB? He obviously has instincts in front of goal, particularly from a wide area that he wouldn't ever find as RCB. 

Only contributions he'd provide is the blue moon screamer similar to Brighton. He is wasted there. 

As an inverted WB sure, but as a more wider wingback in Tuchel's first half season he failed to make a single goal contribution (his assist vs Barnsley was in a back 4) and i can't recall him creating a great deal outside of that either.