If TT is watching the women v man u the finishing by Chelsea is better than the mens team by quite a way. 

1 hour ago, ducavis said:

Managers don’t choose their own players though, that is a recipe for disaster. His tactics & setup are also questionable IMO. Hypothetically he decides to stick to 3-4-3;  then we will need to buy 2 CBs  to add to Silva, Chalobah, and one of Cowill/Sarr for example, a switch to a traditional 4-3-3 would mean we would only need 1 CB. 
I would hope the first signing we make is a sporting director to draw out a vision for the next decade.

Not only that but it's clear that for the 3-4-3/3-4-2-1 he will need more full-backs. Our quality got significantly worse as soon as Chilwell was out and then James and since then we haven't been the same. James does need a rest at some point in the season and after Chilwell's injury he also shouldn't play a full season either.

Our backups are almost none with the rumors of Alonso leaving the club, if Tuchel wants to go for a league title run he will have to buy at the very least 2 full-backs since you can't count that RLC and Pulisic/CHO can do the job consistently enough. He shouldn't even try to make them into such players anyway.

So 2 CBs and 2FBs is the bare minimum for this system to work next season and that's not counting the central midfield and attack that will probably look different by the end of the summer transfer window.

Edited May 8, 20224 yr by Gol15

58 minutes ago, Kev56 said:

If TT is watching the women v man u the finishing by Chelsea is better than the mens team by quite a way. 

The Womens team have better recruitment. They are queens in that league.

This is why when the new owners in, we just don’t need new players in, but sack the scouting team. Bringing in Lukaku was criminal.

Can't believe there are already people wanting Tuchel out. Disgraceful.

Personally hope we utilise a back 4 moreso a back 5 next season. Use the latter in big matches. 

1 hour ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Can't believe there are already people wanting Tuchel out. Disgraceful.

Who has said that?

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Personally hope we utilise a back 4 moreso a back 5 next season. Use the latter in big matches. 

I agree mate don't want to see a back 5 unless it's a clutch game like you said. We're set to lose 4 defenders minimum this summer. No reason what so ever we should look to replace all of them and have 5 defenders starting again regularly.

You don't win the Prem playing 5 natural defenders, Conte played Alonso who is more of a midfielder than full back anyway and he played Moses a winger he converted to wingback. 

TT's system plays 5 defenders, sadly it stifles our creativity more often than not. Sure Reece and Ben can provide an attacking spark, but so can City's and Liverpools fullbacks. Relying on defenders to score and win you games does not sound sustainable to me across a 38 game season. 

33 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

I agree mate don't want to see a back 5 unless it's a clutch game like you said. We're set to lose 4 defenders minimum this summer. No reason what so ever we should look to replace all of them and have 5 defenders starting again regularly.

You don't win the Prem playing 5 natural defenders, Conte played Alonso who is more of a midfielder than full back anyway and he played Moses a winger he converted to wingback. 

TT's system plays 5 defenders, sadly it stifles our creativity more often than not. Sure Reece and Ben can provide an attacking spark, but so can City's and Liverpools fullbacks. Relying on defenders to score and win you games does not sound sustainable to me across a 38 game season. 

Yeah I feel a lot of our sideways play is a result of having only two midfielders. All of which don't have any creative element about them. 

Gallagher would also stick out like a sore thumb in this back 5 given he is thriving in a free role in a midfield 3 at Palace. Add the possibility of Tchouameni coming in we really should be steering away from the back 5. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

 

 

Hasn't he already spoken with Boehly as well? No doubt he's told him of the situation with players leaving and the amount of gash that's at the club. 

Our B team compared to City and Liverpool is comical. 

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Hasn't he already spoken with Boehly as well? No doubt he's told him of the situation with players leaving and the amount of gash that's at the club. 

Our B team compared to City and Liverpool is comical. 

I reckon we have a better backup squad than both teams. Just gets muddled up because of the 3-4-3 formation. A well drilled Chelsea B in a 4-3-3 should comfortably finish top 8. & mind you City have been playing without their 1st choice LB all season 
 

Liverpool B: Keller, Gomez, Tsmikas, Konate, Williams, Keita, Elliott, Chamberlain, Jota, Minamino, Diaz

Man City B: Steffen, Zinchenko, Stones, Ake, ??, Gundogan, Fernandinho, Kayky, Jesus, Mahrez, Palmer

Chelsea B: Kepa, Azpi, Chalobah, Christensen, Alonso, Saul, RLC, Barkley, Ziyech, Lukaku, Pulisic

24 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Hasn't he already spoken with Boehly as well? No doubt he's told him of the situation with players leaving and the amount of gash that's at the club. 

Our B team compared to City and Liverpool is comical. 

Tuchel said last night in an interview he hadn't spoken to Boehly

4 hours ago, Kev56 said:

If TT is watching the women v man u the finishing by Chelsea is better than the mens team by quite a way. 

If and when TT goes the all conquering Emma Hayes should be next for the hot seat 😉

11 minutes ago, charierre said:

Tuchel said last night in an interview he hadn't spoken to Boehly

Happening this week apparently.

12 minutes ago, ducavis said:

I reckon we have a better backup squad than both teams. Just gets muddled up because of the 3-4-3 formation. A well drilled Chelsea B in a 4-3-3 should comfortably finish top 8. & mind you City have been playing without their 1st choice LB all season 
 

Liverpool B: Keller, Gomez, Tsmikas, Konate, Williams, Keita, Elliott, Chamberlain, Jota, Minamino, Diaz

Man City B: Steffen, Zinchenko, Stones, Ake, ??, Gundogan, Fernandinho, Kayky, Jesus, Mahrez, Palmer

Chelsea B: Kepa, Azpi, Chalobah, Christensen, Alonso, Saul, RLC, Barkley, Ziyech, Lukaku, Pulisic

I personally have it Liverpool (6), City (3), Us (2)

 

(GK) Kepa > Keller > Steffen

(RB) Azpilicueta > Milner >Fernandinho

(CB) Konate > Christensen > Stones

(CB) Gomez > Ake > Chalobah

(LB) Tsmikas > Zinchenko > Alonso

(DM) Fernandinho > Milner > Saul

(CM) Gundogan, Kovacic, Keita

(CM) Jones > Ruben > Palmer 

(LW) Jota > Grealish > Pulisic

(ST) Firmino > Lukaku > Foden

(RW) Mahrez >Origi >Ziyech 

Back 5 has been fully figured out, and/or we have not adapted our attacking movement at all.  Absences significantly contribute, but we are in need of a change.  I don't trust a back four at all, mainly because we do not have a Rodri, Fabinho (dirty), Rice, Horjbjerg, Xhaka, Phillips, Romeu, Ndidi, Neves, etc.  Sure they're not all worldbeaters, but they can run which Jorginho can't, and they don't' chase all over the pitch like Kante.

What if we just told Kante next season win the ball in our half, dominate that area of the pitch only.  When you get it, give it to one of two no. 8s. 

This is why we need to really push for Rice. I personally think we are lacking a midfield general. Jorginho in certain games is that but is dead-tired and can't chase people. Tchouameni is touted to be the next best thing. I don't know anything about him so can't really comment.

We need 1 or 2 new centerbacks + bring back Colwill if he is seen ready. Sarr's role will undoubtedly grow as hopefully Chalobah's role as well. The D is a bit of questionmark for next term. Alonso is also looking to leave and push a move to Barcelona. If that happens we would need to sign a wingback.

Back 4 is a possibility. We have personnel for it and now that Rudi is leaving it might be a good thing. However the formation itself is not as big of a deal as people make it out to be. It is all how the players are fit for and perform on the pitch. If TT sees the new CB is best for back 4 we will most probably play back 4. He has said many times the formation itself is not the most important thing but how comfortable players are in it.

We know Rudi and Christensen are better in a back 3. Thiago, Chilly, James and Azpi can all perform in a back 4. It will depend a lot what we can find in the market. 

Attack for me is somewhere we absolutely don't need to look for new players. Might sound strange as that is the part of our game that isn't working but if we are to stick with Rom (which is almost certain) we need to drill all summer and try to get his confidence back. He was pretty good before his injury and that interview. Havertz has already shown he can lead our attack. He is still very young and raw so we need to give time to our big investment. 

What we can expect is to lose one player from the leading line. Be it Pulisic or Werner we have to wait and see. Both are very very hard to move. We are not ready to lose tens of millions in those deals.

I am most excited to see how Gallagher does for us. Him and Mount could well be a brilliant partnership in a 3 man midfield. Put fit Kante behind them or in games where there is less pressure, Jorginho. 

35 minutes ago, evissy said:

This is why we need to really push for Rice. I personally think we are lacking a midfield general. Jorginho in certain games is that but is dead-tired and can't chase people. Tchouameni is touted to be the next best thing. I don't know anything about him so can't really comment.

We need 1 or 2 new centerbacks + bring back Colwill if he is seen ready. Sarr's role will undoubtedly grow as hopefully Chalobah's role as well. The D is a bit of questionmark for next term. Alonso is also looking to leave and push a move to Barcelona. If that happens we would need to sign a wingback.

Back 4 is a possibility. We have personnel for it and now that Rudi is leaving it might be a good thing. However the formation itself is not as big of a deal as people make it out to be. It is all how the players are fit for and perform on the pitch. If TT sees the new CB is best for back 4 we will most probably play back 4. He has said many times the formation itself is not the most important thing but how comfortable players are in it.

We know Rudi and Christensen are better in a back 3. Thiago, Chilly, James and Azpi can all perform in a back 4. It will depend a lot what we can find in the market. 

Attack for me is somewhere we absolutely don't need to look for new players. Might sound strange as that is the part of our game that isn't working but if we are to stick with Rom (which is almost certain) we need to drill all summer and try to get his confidence back. He was pretty good before his injury and that interview. Havertz has already shown he can lead our attack. He is still very young and raw so we need to give time to our big investment. 

What we can expect is to lose one player from the leading line. Be it Pulisic or Werner we have to wait and see. Both are very very hard to move. We are not ready to lose tens of millions in those deals.

I am most excited to see how Gallagher does for us. Him and Mount could well be a brilliant partnership in a 3 man midfield. Put fit Kante behind them or in games where there is less pressure, Jorginho. 

Rice + Kounde + Livermento = 200m

The new owners should flex this summer.

Just now, Gol15 said:

Rice + Kounde + Livermento = 200m

The new owners should flex this summer.

Livromento has done his ACL

9 minutes ago, charierre said:

Livromento has done his ACL

He’s the cheapest name there, if possible just sign a fullback too, it doesn’t need to be him if his injury is a problem and that’s that unless Lukaku and Werner are leaving then it would also mean more money for replacements.

                   Mendy

James T.Silva Kounde Chilwell

                Rice Kovacic

Gallagher     Havertz      Mount

                      Broja

or

                        Rice

Gallagher/Kante Mount/Kovacic

 

Edited May 9, 20224 yr by Gol15

Looks like the back 5 will most likely stay. Multiple sources claiming TT's wishlist 

 

As per James Robson, Tuchel's wish-list consists of:

• Two centre-backs
• Cover at wing-back 
• Reinforcements in attack

"Tuchel also has plans for his midfield, however they depend on outgoings. Both N'Golo Kante and Jorginho are out of contract next summer, and the German wants their futures resolved this summer."

Of course anyone could make this up and summarise this as our current needs. I'll still dissect this anyway.

I would expect even if we wanted to switch to a back 4 we would need 2 cbs. Cover at wingback may not necessarily mean we always play with 5 at the back as he could look for an out and out winger who can defend and attack like a Moses type of player under Conte.

Reinforcements in attack as in plural so multiple. This could be number 10s, inside fwds, attacking wide wingers or another number 9 alongside Broja if he stays. 

Finally although it says midfield will depend on departures there's no way we don't look to sign at least one CM/DM this summer.

21 hours ago, dkw said:

Who has said that?

Handful of people here especially in the matchday thread.

If you've seen both Rice and Tchouameni play regularly it's pretty clear who should be the priority. 

A mate of mine from Marseille says Tchouameni is going all the way to the top. I take his word seriously considering in 2015 he predicted an unknown Fabinho at the time to be one of the best DMs in the world. 

1 hour ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Looks like the back 5 will most likely stay. Multiple sources claiming TT's wishlist 

 

As per James Robson, Tuchel's wish-list consists of:

• Two centre-backs
• Cover at wing-back 
• Reinforcements in attack

"Tuchel also has plans for his midfield, however they depend on outgoings. Both N'Golo Kante and Jorginho are out of contract next summer, and the German wants their futures resolved this summer."

Of course anyone could make this up and summarise this as our current needs. I'll still dissect this anyway.

I would expect even if we wanted to switch to a back 4 we would need 2 cbs. Cover at wingback may not necessarily mean we always play with 5 at the back as he could look for an out and out winger who can defend and attack like a Moses type of player under Conte.

Reinforcements in attack as in plural so multiple. This could be number 10s, inside fwds, attacking wide wingers or another number 9 alongside Broja if he stays. 

Finally although it says midfield will depend on departures there's no way we don't look to sign at least one CM/DM this summer.

Don’t think he is getting all that, and 2 new CBs means he is stubbornly going to stick to his back 5. We already have 2 decent options in Thiago & Chalobah, hypothetically he would sign a Kounde & promote Cowill if intended to play a back 4. Another pointer is the need for cover for wingback. In a back 4 even if Alonso leaves, you can use Emerson/Ampadu as cover for LB. Ampadu can also play as a DM, CB. Kounde and a promoted Dujon Sterling can cover at RB for James. It is that midfield IMO that lacks balance and grit.

Just employ a Sporting Director. I am not a fan of allowing managers to sign whoever they please when they can decide to leave anytime,  and get paid a compensation in the process.

If I‘d be a director I‘d ask the manager about his ideas (=wishlist) too - pretty daft if I wouldn‘t I‘d say. Doesn‘t mean the manager ultimately decides what to do.
Pretty non-sensational list too I‘d say. 2 CBs leaving (or even „2,5“ if Azpi leaves as well) = we need two new ones. 

I hope we get more flexible players that allow us more fluidity with our systems.

9 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Don’t think he is getting all that, and 2 new CBs means he is stubbornly going to stick to his back 5. We already have 2 decent options in Thiago & Chalobah, hypothetically he would sign a Kounde & promote Cowill if intended to play a back 4. Another pointer is the need for cover for wingback. In a back 4 even if Alonso leaves, you can use Emerson/Ampadu as cover for LB. Ampadu can also play as a DM, CB. Kounde and a promoted Dujon Sterling can cover at RB for James. It is that midfield IMO that lacks balance and grit.

Just employ a Sporting Director. I am not a fan of allowing managers to sign whoever they please when they can decide to leave anytime,  and get paid a compensation in the process.

I've no doubt we sign 2 cbs this summer. No way we get 1 now and wait until next year. Now is the time to get two promising world class potential players in that area and have TT and Thiago Silva mould them.

Worst case scenario we play 3 atb for another season with Silva in between them, whilst Trev and potentially Colwill rotating and then the season after they play as a 2 in a 4atb. 

He wants depth at wingback and he will get it, all he has to do do is point to the fact he won all his major trophies in this system and that's why he will look to strengthen it. Whilst I'd rather we move away from the system, with the right rotation options and squad depth it can work. 

It's no surprise he wants backing for more attackers and Todd would probably be willing to back this assuming we make some sales in this department. 

I don't disagree about the sporting director yet, I also do think TT should be backed. If he wants someone give it to them. Liverpool fans and City fans wouldn't blink if you asked them if their coaches should be backed to get whoever they want. That's what you do when you bring in these 'super' coaches, they have a vision for how the team should look and play so let them build their team. 

Let's look at City's model and Liverpool's real quick. Neither manager is required to win the Premier League or the Champions League. That's just outside pressure, City brought Pep in to enhance their brand, to build an attractive football team, to make them an attractive team to young and top talents and to compete for titles. 

Liverpool brought Klopp in to ensure regular participation in the champions league that's it. Yet both these teams have sustained success, is that because the coaches know regardless of where they finish their clubs will back them and not fire them? Compared to Chelsea coaches who are backed but not to the same level, work under the conditions of success now not later and risk being fired after every season despite previous success. Our previous model worked for a long while but now the game has changed, long gone are the days where we could bring in the best coach available give him some of the signings he wants and tell him win or be sacked.

It's time imo to back Tuchel who has earned the right to build his team after bringing home two of the three trophies we the fans and Roman desire so badly. 

I think we'll see a big squad shake up, lots of departures which frees up the wage bill. This includes players leaving for free and maybe some loans and sales.