3 minutes ago, dkw said:

I did, because today he was a muppet. He started with entirely the wring formation which as expected saw us totally dominated with gaps every where. Then his subs were totally nonsensical and cowardly, timing wise and actual player on/off. 

But like I said, the cultist won't allow any criticism because HE WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE....

Honestly, if all he did was win us the Champions league, then fair enough.

The guy's been a success at every club he's managed, breaking records in the process.

And considering everything we've had to deal with throughout this season, I'd say he hasn't done a bad job overall.

Yes he sometimes makes strange or even baffling decisions. So do other top managers though.

Just now, Drogba1 said:

I'm pretty sure 90% of the flak Tuchel has received comes from bitterness about the Lampard sacking. 

Probably the sh*t football fans have had to put up with for ages.

Just now, Drogba1 said:

I'm pretty sure 90% of the flak Tuchel has received comes from bitterness about the Lampard sacking. 

1000%.

If Lampard had done what tuchel has done, he would receive no criticism ever. 

Anyone know what went on with RLC 

1 minute ago, Amputechture said:

Honestly, if all he did was win us the Champions league, then fair enough.

The guy's been a success at every club he's managed, breaking records in the process.

And considering everything we've had to deal with throughout this season, I'd say he hasn't done a bad job overall.

Yes he sometimes makes strange or even baffling decisions. So do other top managers though.

But that shouldn't mean he's immune to criticism, and he's definitely deserved criticism this past few months with his decisions and cowardice. 

8 minutes ago, dkw said:

I did, because today he was a muppet. He started with entirely the wring formation which as expected saw us totally dominated with gaps every where. Then his subs were totally nonsensical and cowardly, timing wise and actual player on/off. 

But like I said, the cultist won't allow any criticism because HE WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE....

Nope we were dominated because our mid 2 struggle to press. One simply cannot run the other is half-fit. Give me a better solution

 

4 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Probably the sh*t football fans have had to put up with for ages.

We haven't had a manager that's played consistently entertaining football since Ancelotti

9 minutes ago, dkw said:

I did, because today he was a muppet. He started with entirely the wring formation which as expected saw us totally dominated with gaps every where. Then his subs were totally nonsensical and cowardly, timing wise and actual player on/off. 

But like I said, the cultist won't allow any criticism because HE WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE....

I like Tuchel, and I think he is a good manager, and streets ahead of Lampard.

TT did get a lot wrong today though in my opinion .. in particular the substitutions. He didn't seem to try and do anything to actually WIN the game, which was bizarre. All the substitutions made as progressively more negative. 

Oh well, at least it didn't paper over any cracks. We all know we need a complete overhaul.

Just now, Bob stark said:

Nope we were dominated because our mid 2 struggle to press. One simply cannot run the other is half-fit. Give me a better solution

 

Don't play with 5 at the back, don't leave enormous gaps between the midfield and defence because he's playing 5 at the back with massive spaces for Liverpool players to use. 

Been a really draining season but in the end he's our biggest asset and hopefully is backed in the summer. The squad needs some refreshing and I bet he himself needs that too. 

Edited May 14, 20224 yr by g3.7

Maybe, just maybe it's time to confront the major issue at the club. It's time to accept that we have built a team in a past 5 years that have become used to losing, whereas before we would never accept that kind of thing at the club. It's time to confront it and weed it out. Let's not forget that Klopp lost 7 out of 8 cup finals before winning one again with Liverpool, and Liverpool were well used to losing when he came in.

I don't think Tuchel is faultless, he makes mistakes, but I also think his management has been more than good enough for us to stick by him. What else can he do when our players cannot score from easy chances? seriously, what else can be done? It's not down to finishing ability when it comes to not taking these chances, because we have all seen that these players can finish really well. The problem is that they bottle it.......it's harsh to say it, but what else can it be at this point? If this was Tottenham, United, Arsenal or any other club fluffing such gilt-edged opportunities, we would be saying same thing. You can't just magic that out of a player through coaching, that has to come from the player themselves. If they can't get that out of their game, then they are not good enough for this level.

6 minutes ago, big blue said:

1000%.

If Lampard had done what tuchel has done, he would receive no criticism ever. 

A bit funny because if I remember correctly dkw used to have a go at several "moaners" during both Lampard and Sarri's tenure.

And now he comes across as a massive moaner about a manager who's done far better than both Lampard & Sarri. And he's not a twat and a massive mercenary like Sarri was either, he gives youth a chance, he's won several trophies and he's guided the club through one of the most difficult periods in it's history in a good way.

2 minutes ago, dkw said:

Don't play with 5 at the back, don't leave enormous gaps between the midfield and defence because he's playing 5 at the back with massive spaces for Liverpool players to use. 

Yeah play more open like city and draw 2-2. Your acting like we just lost to Norwich. 

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

We haven't had a manager that's played consistently entertaining football since Ancelotti

So Tuchel has no interest in playing more offensive football because other managers didn't, sounds like a lame excuse. Defend or critise Tuchel but the football has been depressing and his too stubborn to change things up. Very wierd manager too, one month he will feel the love for Ziyech, then it might be RLC, then CHO, then Werner who plays no mins in a cup final.

23 minutes ago, evissy said:

The bare minimum was achieved this season.

Sorry but that is absolute nonsense.

We had massive injury and absence issues, way worse than Liverpool had in 20/21 when they lost 6 home games in a row, the whole Lukaku situation, contract issues to dilute the focus of most of the defence, and then the whole sanctions situation, and yet we are still on track to finish 3rd, reached two domestic finals, and put up a creditable defence of the CL.

Perspective !!!

Just now, Sindre said:

A bit funny because if I remember correctly dkw used to have a go at several "moaners" during both Lampard and Sarri's tenure.

And now he comes across as a massive moaner about a manager who's done far better than both Lampard & Sarri. And he's not a twat and a massive mercenary like Sarri was either, he gives youth a chance, he's won several trophies and he's guided the club through one of the most difficult periods in it's history in a good way.

Id just waiting for him to give us an alternative that would get better results against liverpool.

He isnt perfect by any stretch, some of his subs are questionable no doubt. But to turn on him during this seasin, with all that is going on, on the back of a champions league win where we outplayed everyone in europe, is crazy. 

Why not back a winning manager? I just dont get it tbh. 

4 minutes ago, dkw said:

Don't play with 5 at the back, don't leave enormous gaps between the midfield and defence because he's playing 5 at the back with massive spaces for Liverpool players to use. 

Let's say we play back 4.

Who do you want to track Robertson? 

Are we going to ask alonso to play against salah? 

 

1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

Maybe, just maybe it's time to confront the major issue at the club. It's time to accept that we have built a team in a past 5 years that have become used to losing, whereas before we would never accept that kind of thing at the club. It's time to confront it and weed it out. Let's not forget that Klopp lost 7 out of 8 cup finals before winning one again with Liverpool, and Liverpool were well used to losing when he came in.

I don't think Tuchel is faultless, he makes mistakes, but I also think his management has been more than good enough for us to stick by him. What else can he do when our players cannot score from easy chances? seriously, what else can be done? It's not down to finishing ability when it comes to not taking these chances, because we have all seen that these players can finish really well. The problem is that they bottle it.......it's harsh to say it, but what else can it be at this point? If this was Tottenham, United, Arsenal or any other club fluffing such gilt-edged opportunities, we would be saying same thing. You can't just magic that out of a player through coaching, that has to come from the player themselves. If they can't get that out of their game, then they are not good enough for this level.

I don't want him to leave, he's a very good manager and a genuine decent person. We desperately need consistency, stop the ridiculous new mamager/squad build/sacked manager/new manager/squad build cycle. But he also is not the messiah, he makes some ridiculous decisions and mistakes, he needs to get away from the micro managed, defensive over controlled style of play as it just doesn't work. And you can't blame the squad we have for that, he knows the players he has cant do this yet continues to set up like that. 

Let's revamp the squad over the summer and see what he does then, with - hopefully - some better players.

9 minutes ago, Amputechture said:

Honestly, if all he did was win us the Champions league, then fair enough.

The guy's been a success at every club he's managed, breaking records in the process.

And considering everything we've had to deal with throughout this season, I'd say he hasn't done a bad job overall.

Yes he sometimes makes strange or even baffling decisions. So do other top managers though.

Guardiola does it all of the time, sometimes it works, other times it goes very wrong for him.

Klopp in his first few seasons at Liverpool made a lot of weird decisions and took 4 years to get them competing again.

3 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Let's say we play back 4.

Who do you want to track Robertson? 

Are we going to ask alonso to play against salah? 

 

We aim to put their 2 wing backs under pressure from our wingers doubled with our full backs, neither Robertson or Arnold can defend for toffee, make them have to defend or move their mids to cover, give us space and time to work in.

Sometimes the best way to defend a teams strength is to attack that very same strength. We set up and played to their strengths which was idiotic, we could and should have been 3 down in 20 minuted.

Edited May 14, 20224 yr by dkw

5 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Maybe, just maybe it's time to confront the major issue at the club. It's time to accept that we have built a team in a past 5 years that have become used to losing, whereas before we would never accept that kind of thing at the club. It's time to confront it and weed it out. Let's not forget that Klopp lost 7 out of 8 cup finals before winning one again with Liverpool, and Liverpool were well used to losing when he came in.

I don't think Tuchel is faultless, he makes mistakes, but I also think his management has been more than good enough for us to stick by him. What else can he do when our players cannot score from easy chances? seriously, what else can be done? It's not down to finishing ability when it comes to not taking these chances, because we have all seen that these players can finish really well. The problem is that they bottle it.......it's harsh to say it, but what else can it be at this point? If this was Tottenham, United, Arsenal or any other club fluffing such gilt-edged opportunities, we would be saying same thing. You can't just magic that out of a player through coaching, that has to come from the player themselves. If they can't get that out of their game, then they are not good enough for this level.

I think a lot of it is that our transfer policy in the 6 years since Emenalo left has been dreadful and has been papered over due to the success of our academy prospects. 

I was happy with the linenup he picked. 

Unfortunately we wasted the chances that came are way and did not take advantage of them losing Salah and VVD during the game.

I wonder though if you decide to play for pen, brave or stupid given our record with them, why take off Lukaku? He may not be doing much else but he has a good pen record.

1 minute ago, dkw said:

We aim to put their 2 wing backs under pressure from our wingers doublef with our full backs, neither Robertson or Arnold can defend for toffee, make them have to defend or move their mids to cover, give us space and time to work in. 

You can't force your opp to defend if you don't have the ball.