2 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Looks like the back 5 will most likely stay. Multiple sources claiming TT's wishlist 

 

As per James Robson, Tuchel's wish-list consists of:

• Two centre-backs
• Cover at wing-back 
• Reinforcements in attack

"Tuchel also has plans for his midfield, however they depend on outgoings. Both N'Golo Kante and Jorginho are out of contract next summer, and the German wants their futures resolved this summer."

Of course anyone could make this up and summarise this as our current needs. I'll still dissect this anyway.

I would expect even if we wanted to switch to a back 4 we would need 2 cbs. Cover at wingback may not necessarily mean we always play with 5 at the back as he could look for an out and out winger who can defend and attack like a Moses type of player under Conte.

Reinforcements in attack as in plural so multiple. This could be number 10s, inside fwds, attacking wide wingers or another number 9 alongside Broja if he stays. 

Finally although it says midfield will depend on departures there's no way we don't look to sign at least one CM/DM this summer.

So in theory if both Kante and Jorginho leave then his list would have two midfielders as well and if not he'll also want to sign a central midfielder anyway, basically his wish list is almost a whole new starting XI which does mean the team might look very different next season just as I expected.

This means that he ultimately is making a new team, sad that it took him a whole season because had he knew this last summer he could have started with something there already, like this he spent a lot on Lukaku and now he basically doesn't have a team for the next season.

The new owners should make a huge statement by spending over 200m this summer, otherwise I can see Tuchel ultimately not seeing eye to eye with the board and in due time we would be looking for a new manager.

I seriously think TT might of been found out, he coaches the team week in week out, so he must ok the brand of pathetic piss poor passing for no real purpose, we have lost our direction, we may see the trophies he won, but I don’t rate him tactically better than Conte, or Carlo🤔

2 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

I've no doubt we sign 2 cbs this summer. No way we get 1 now and wait until next year. Now is the time to get two promising world class potential players in that area and have TT and Thiago Silva mould them.

Worst case scenario we play 3 atb for another season with Silva in between them, whilst Trev and potentially Colwill rotating and then the season after they play as a 2 in a 4atb. 

He wants depth at wingback and he will get it, all he has to do do is point to the fact he won all his major trophies in this system and that's why he will look to strengthen it. Whilst I'd rather we move away from the system, with the right rotation options and squad depth it can work. 

It's no surprise he wants backing for more attackers and Todd would probably be willing to back this assuming we make some sales in this department. 

I don't disagree about the sporting director yet, I also do think TT should be backed. If he wants someone give it to them. Liverpool fans and City fans wouldn't blink if you asked them if their coaches should be backed to get whoever they want. That's what you do when you bring in these 'super' coaches, they have a vision for how the team should look and play so let them build their team. 

Let's look at City's model and Liverpool's real quick. Neither manager is required to win the Premier League or the Champions League. That's just outside pressure, City brought Pep in to enhance their brand, to build an attractive football team, to make them an attractive team to young and top talents and to compete for titles. 

Liverpool brought Klopp in to ensure regular participation in the champions league that's it. Yet both these teams have sustained success, is that because the coaches know regardless of where they finish their clubs will back them and not fire them? Compared to Chelsea coaches who are backed but not to the same level, work under the conditions of success now not later and risk being fired after every season despite previous success. Our previous model worked for a long while but now the game has changed, long gone are the days where we could bring in the best coach available give him some of the signings he wants and tell him win or be sacked.

It's time imo to back Tuchel who has earned the right to build his team after bringing home two of the three trophies we the fans and Roman desire so badly. 

I think we'll see a big squad shake up, lots of departures which frees up the wage bill. This includes players leaving for free and maybe some loans and sales.

 

Let’s see what happens but I will be pleasantly surprised if he is handed around £200m to go shopping. These are American investors and are here to make money. Money will be spent but let’s temper our expectations.

Klopp really doesn’t get what he wants in the market though. Didn’t he win the CL, and was allowed to sign Minamino after? His huge initial outlay was also funded partly by the sale of Coutinho. Those are American owners also. Unless he makes a huge sale; and let’s be honest Lukaku is the only big asset we could sell (oh we are still owing Inter €70m) I would be pleasantly surprised if he is given around £200m in the market. Fans need to be understanding that they have just spent £2b+ buying the club. We might just find  how sweet we had it under Roman, even though fans constantly blamed him for not backing managers.

Who's to say they give TT anything to spend? As in he may not get final say in the matter.

Not to mention unless we have someone who knows what they are doing to be able to spot talent and get them for like 20 to 30mill so TT can make them 100mill players we are going to have to spend a fortune to make thus squad competitive with City and Pool for the title.

Edited May 9, 20224 yr by axman2526

4 hours ago, Ballack & Blu said:

I seriously think TT might of been found out, he coaches the team week in week out, so he must ok the brand of pathetic piss poor passing for no real purpose, we have lost our direction, we may see the trophies he won, but I don’t rate him tactically better than Conte, or Carlo🤔

I think Tuchel is as jaded as the players and fans after what has been an extremely exhausting season with everything that went on behind the scenes after Roman was sanctioned. Not to mention he also went through a recent divorce. I think he more than anyone needs a break/vacation to get his edge back.

8 hours ago, Ballack & Blu said:

I seriously think TT might of been found out, he coaches the team week in week out, so he must ok the brand of pathetic piss poor passing for no real purpose, we have lost our direction, we may see the trophies he won, but I don’t rate him tactically better than Conte, or Carlo🤔

Compared to the majority of Conte and Carlo's second season's what were seeing now is fast flowing heart stopping football.

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Who's to say they give TT anything to spend? As in he may not get final say in the matter.

Not sure why that's always thought of a bad thing, especially given the market isn't exactly TT's biggest strength (as we've seen already with the two signings we've made so far under him).

If Klopp has it his way he'd have got Brandt instead of Salah.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Not sure why that's always thought of a bad thing, especially given the market isn't exactly TT's biggest strength (as we've seen already with the two signings we've made so far under him).

If Klopp has it his way he'd have got Brandt instead of Salah.

Not saying it is a bad thing mate, for me it is if the same people who were in charge before, bar Roman, make those calls.

We actually need a top director of football. That would be our biggest signing imo.

19 hours ago, Gol15 said:

This means that he ultimately is making a new team, sad that it took him a whole season because had he knew this last summer he could have started with something there already

I don't think we had the money ... Lukaku was basically funded by player sales. We forked out a fortune in player bonuses for winning the Champions League ... pretty much screwed the financials for the year ... £146M loss for the season wasn't it ? 

19 hours ago, Ballack & Blu said:

I seriously think TT might of been found out, he coaches the team week in week out, so he must ok the brand of pathetic piss poor passing for no real purpose, we have lost our direction, we may see the trophies he won, but I don’t rate him tactically better than Conte, or Carlo🤔

So even after his direct commentary on the state of our play, the visible frustration you see on match days, and the constant mentions about our lack of being decisive; your conclusion is 'he must be okay with it'? 

You compare tactical abilities with coaches who had world class players in a number of positions. And no matter how horrible the football actually was, and the  poor tactical elements of attacking phases - all we needed was a Fabregas ball to Costa, a Hazard moment, Drogba magic, Lampard screamer.

At our best in this mad season we've played better football than Liverpool. And still after a rough patch you can be guaranteed to come to this thread and find an untold number of moronic hot takes. 

11 hours ago, Argo said:

Not sure why that's always thought of a bad thing, especially given the market isn't exactly TT's biggest strength (as we've seen already with the two signings we've made so far under him).

If Klopp has it his way he'd have got Brandt instead of Salah.

You can flip that as well and say our main targets (TT requested or not) were Hakimi, Kounde, and Haaland. That would've been a great window. The mistake was going for the third choice option - as we did with Torres before. But I never blame the coaches here because at other clubs the coaches have/had the luxury of time. City could patiently wait for Haaland/Kane with no threat to Pep's position. 

2 hours ago, venom2011 said:

So even after his direct commentary on the state of our play, the visible frustration you see on match days, and the constant mentions about our lack of being decisive; your conclusion is 'he must be okay with it'? 

You compare tactical abilities with coaches who had world class players in a number of positions. And no matter how horrible the football actually was, and the  poor tactical elements of attacking phases - all we needed was a Fabregas ball to Costa, a Hazard moment, Drogba magic, Lampard screamer.

At our best in this mad season we've played better football than Liverpool. And still after a rough patch you can be guaranteed to come to this thread and find an untold number of moronic hot takes. 

To answer one of your points, if he’s not ok persisting with ‘Death by a bazillion passes’, then the players play like that regardless, 

And all this is just your summation in your humble opinion……Be careful with the moronic tag…..

He will be gone by the end of the 22/23 season. Screengrab this message and I’ll happily eat some humble pie if it doesn’t happen.

27 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

To answer one of your points, if he’s not ok persisting with ‘Death by a bazillion passes’, then the players play like that regardless, 

And all this is just your summation in your humble opinion……Be careful with the moronic tag…..

It's the foundation for his style of play. If things are going badly you can knock it down as you like and it remains a baseless observation. Jose - death by bus. Klopp - death by high press. 

For efficiency it's probably better to be careful with considered opinions... 

14 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Not saying it is a bad thing mate, for me it is if the same people who were in charge before, bar Roman, make those calls.

We actually need a top director of football. That would be our biggest signing imo.

Maybe. But pretty much every pundit thought Lukaku was the perfect signing. There's no reason to think that most DoFs wouldn't have thought the same thing. 

Haha I have seen quite a few Chelsea fans calling for Jose to replace TT after they comments came out about "my club"

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/10/jose-mourinho-gives-verdict-on-chelsea-struggles-ahead-of-todd-boehly-takeover-16615704/?fbclid=IwAR2cDlCNtp6uH5gOiyURXc5GJk5UnDIbnsUOQCtZMcAINUXokLYcqE7Fv9Y

15 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Haha I have seen quite a few Chelsea fans calling for Jose to replace TT after they comments came out about "my club"

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/10/jose-mourinho-gives-verdict-on-chelsea-struggles-ahead-of-todd-boehly-takeover-16615704/?fbclid=IwAR2cDlCNtp6uH5gOiyURXc5GJk5UnDIbnsUOQCtZMcAINUXokLYcqE7Fv9Y

Yeaaaahh, no, let's not go there 😁 I'd like to think he means it, though.

7 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Yeaaaahh, no, let's not go there 😁 I'd like to think he means it, though.

Not up for Jose Mk III Val? BTW I hope your freezer is suitably stocked for Saturday 🙂

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Not up for Jose Mk III Val? BTW I hope your freezer is suitably stocked for Saturday 🙂

She’ll need to restock it after tomorrow!

1 minute ago, Munkworth said:

She’ll need to restock it after tomorrow!

Hmm you sure that gives her enough time to recover, less than 72 hours. Val may want to skip the Leeds game to make sure she is ready.

5 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Hmm you sure that gives her enough time to recover, less than 72 hours. Val may want to skip the Leeds game to make sure she is ready.

She should be getting ready to attend a funeral if she were serious about winning on Saturday!

38 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Haha I have seen quite a few Chelsea fans calling for Jose to replace TT after they comments came out about "my club"

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/10/jose-mourinho-gives-verdict-on-chelsea-struggles-ahead-of-todd-boehly-takeover-16615704/?fbclid=IwAR2cDlCNtp6uH5gOiyURXc5GJk5UnDIbnsUOQCtZMcAINUXokLYcqE7Fv9Y

Love Jose (and was opposed to his sacking) but I don't think his tactics work as well as they used to

11 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

She should be getting ready to attend a funeral if she were serious about winning on Saturday!

I have to go to a surprise birthday party for one of my best friends  Somebody should have died yesterday or today to have a funeral on Saturday, there's sort of a waiting list apparently 

22 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I think Tuchel is as jaded as the players and fans after what has been an extremely exhausting season with everything that went on behind the scenes after Roman was sanctioned. Not to mention he also went through a recent divorce. I think he more than anyone needs a break/vacation to get his edge back.

Definitely This.

This season has taken its toll and TT has probably suffered more than anyone and to now cap that with the divorce he must be in desperate need of a break (if a football manager at a big club can ever switch off).

All coaches go through tough periods or "difficult moments" as Carlo called them, but I think in TT we have the best available and if backed, I can see him getting us challenging on all fronts. He's done well with a good squad that has too many squad players. Think he will do a whole lot better if we can lose some of the dross and replace with some quality.

 

 

4 hours ago, venom2011 said:

It's the foundation for his style of play. If things are going badly you can knock it down as you like and it remains a baseless observation. Jose - death by bus. Klopp - death by high press. 

For efficiency it's probably better to be careful with considered opinions... 

How about Bollocks……