17 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

https://www.sportbible.com/football/news-chelsea-are-preparing-to-sack-sarri-and-replace-him-with-lampard-20190520

Just one of the many articles from that time, good enough?

It was known even before May 21st that Sarri was leaving Chelsea for Juventus, officially Allegri was sacked on the 17th of May, so Sarri was leaving just like Conte except he already found a new job while Conte took a break.

If you honestly believe that Sarri should have been sacked after winning Europa League and finishing top 3 then you have no right to complain about Lampard getting sacked at all.

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

It was known even before May 21st that Sarri was leaving Chelsea for Juventus, officially Allegri was sacked on the 17th of May, so Sarri was leaving just like Conte except he already found a new job while Conte took a break.

If you honestly believe that Sarri should have been sacked after winning Europa League and finishing top 3 then you have no right to complain about Lampard getting sacked at all.

Always right ain’t you, no wonder all everyone does is argue with you.

14 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

Always right ain’t you, no wonder all everyone does is argue with you.

I'm not always right at all... I just think it's crazy to suggest that sacking Sarri after we finished top 3 and won Europa League would have been the correct decision.

Just now, Gol15 said:

I'm not always right at all... I just think it's crazy to suggest that sacking Sarri after we finished top 3 and won Europa League would have been the correct decision.

Then you obviously didn’t watch any of the football that season!

Sarri was openly disrespected by every fan in the ground, both home & away, due to the absolutely diabolical football we were playing.

It was clear to anyone with any football knowledge that he was in way over his abilities in the Premier League and if it wasn’t for Hazard completely ignoring his instructions we’d never have finished in the top four, furthermore if you watched the Europa final, 100% the players took matters into their hands and played to their strengths and not to his instructions. If you don’t believe me, go back and watch that game.

Thats my final conversation with you on this, cos basically, I’ve got a life.

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I'm not always right at all... I just think it's crazy to suggest that sacking Sarri after we finished top 3 and won Europa League would have been the correct decision.

If that was the case then arguably even worse on Sarri's side. That suggests he bailed because he didn't fancy working with the team for a year without any signings, presumably because he was worried about his reputation. At the time it felt like he only started playing the younger squad players in the second half of the season under duress. Ironically it was those younger players (RLC and CHO), along with Hazard, who played a big part in our run to the Europa Cup final.

If it wasn't for the excitement generated by the younger players when they came into the team the second half of that season, along with a few memorable moments from Hazard, it would have gone down as one of our most boring displays in recent memory. Not to mention some inexcusable performances like the 6-0 defeat at City, and the 4-0 defeat at Bournemouth.

 

Why was Werner on the bench for over on hour when we were desperate for some pace to get behind utd ? Nobody is addressing this weird decision ?

Giroud was about as much use as a chocolate teapot, Maguire could of sat on a deck chair for an hour.

Over-tinkering, over-analysing ? What ever it is, when your'e desperate for goals, dont leave your top scorer and assister out of the game.

43 minutes ago, Paddy said:

Well if your going to include Giroud in the reliable and consistent list then I would argue Reece too imo .

I think Reece has been pretty meh since his injury quite honestly. 

4 minutes ago, coco said:

Why was Werner on the bench for over on hour when we were desperate for some pace to get behind utd ? Nobody is addressing this weird decision ?

Giroud was about as much use as a chocolate teapot, Maguire could of sat on a deck chair for an hour.

Over-tinkering, over-analysing ? What ever it is, when your'e desperate for goals, dont leave your top scorer and assister out of the game.

Agreed. I would have thought a game like this was ideal for Werner. United's back 4 are not the quickest, and his pace would have stretched them.

5 minutes ago, coco said:

Why was Werner on the bench for over on hour when we were desperate for some pace to get behind utd ? Nobody is addressing this weird decision ?

Giroud was about as much use as a chocolate teapot, Maguire could of sat on a deck chair for an hour.

Over-tinkering, over-analysing ? What ever it is, when your'e desperate for goals, dont leave your top scorer and assister out of the game.

I don’t think TT wanted to admit the mistake he had made in picking Ziech and keeping him on for so long.

1 hour ago, Wearyourcolours said:

https://www.sportbible.com/football/news-chelsea-are-preparing-to-sack-sarri-and-replace-him-with-lampard-20190520

Just one of the many articles from that time, good enough?

Sports bible seriously?

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

Sports bible seriously?

As I said one of many, just the top one to click on.

9 minutes ago, Slojo said:

I think Reece has been pretty meh since his injury quite honestly. 

...............but Oli has been ripping up trees in every game he’s played then, such that you would argue him to be reliable and consistent ? 

I find it bizarre that you would think Oli has been that player but Reece is meh ? 

Funny how football opinion can be so differing, but is it about opinions so fair play if that’s what you feel ?

 

15 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

As I said one of many, just the top one to click on.

None of which offer definitive proof he was defiently gone. 

Given the other day I was told I had to be in the boardroom to have an opinion on Cech' s role in the club I'm setting the same standard to you I'm afraid.

So were you in the boardroom? Did Marina or Roman tell you personally they were defiently sacking Sarri if Juve didn't come calling?

26 minutes ago, coco said:

Why was Werner on the bench for over on hour when we were desperate for some pace to get behind utd ? Nobody is addressing this weird decision ?

Giroud was about as much use as a chocolate teapot, Maguire could of sat on a deck chair for an hour.

Over-tinkering, over-analysing ? What ever it is, when your'e desperate for goals, dont leave your top scorer and assister out of the game.

I mentioned that in the match thread, it made no sense to me at all to play Giroud with a defence that played a high line and a midfield/attack that played a high press. It showed a few times when we managed to get behind the press and there was no one in the box to pick out as Giroud was way behind .

1 hour ago, Slojo said:

Mount, Giroud and Silva have been by far our most reliable and consistent players this season, without question. Everyone else has had very patchy form. 

I think it's very likely Mount takes POTY this time, he's the only one in attack who's actually doing something with it. 

I would have to disagree with Giroud, he has been very inconsistent this season. He has had his big moments such as the 4 goals against Sevilla & the bicycle kick against Athletico Madrid but he has struggled in making the starting spot his own with a few very ordinary performances in between.

29 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

Then you obviously didn’t watch any of the football that season!

Sarri was openly disrespected by every fan in the ground, both home & away, due to the absolutely diabolical football we were playing.

It was clear to anyone with any football knowledge that he was in way over his abilities in the Premier League and if it wasn’t for Hazard completely ignoring his instructions we’d never have finished in the top four, furthermore if you watched the Europa final, 100% the players took matters into their hands and played to their strengths and not to his instructions. If you don’t believe me, go back and watch that game.

If we're going to play that game we don't get top four last season without Pulisic basically turning into Hazard at the business end.

4 minutes ago, Paddy said:

...............but Oli has been ripping up trees in every game he’s played then, such that you would argue him to be reliable and consistent ? 

I find it bizarre that you would think Oli has been that player but Reece is meh ? 

Funny how football opinion can be so differing, but is it about opinions so fair play if that’s what you feel ?

 

Giroud can be quiet, but he's still reliable, and he's feeding off scraps. He had one chance that Atletico game and scored. 

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

I didn't revise a single thing. Make no mistake, it is in fact you that has presented a new claim - that Sarri was going to get sacked. The burden of proof is on you, not on me.

So essentially asking for the impossible?

 He can't prove that Sarri WAS definitely going to get sacked, just as you can't prove he WASN'T.... but....

....there were numerous articles linking Sarri with a departure from the club. Those reports cited sarri wanting leave (homesick, elderly parents), juve lining Sarri up, and also the board wanting to get rid of him. 

As with when Ranieri was sacked, he was dead man walking (which btw you also wouldn't have been able to prove definitively before the event), it's just in Sarri's case, we managed to engineer through luck or design, a way for him to leave without having to pay him off. Win win for everyone.

4 minutes ago, Argo said:

None of which offer definitive proof he was defiently gone. 

Given the other day I was told I had to be in the boardroom to have an opinion on Cech' s role in the club I'm setting the same standard to you I'm afraid.

So were you in the boardroom? Did Marina or Roman tell you personally they were defiently sacking Sarri if Juve didn't come calling?

Yeah I was in the boardroom, prove I wasn’t!

3 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

So essentially asking for the impossible?

 He can't prove that Sarri WAS definitely going to get sacked, just as you can't prove he WASN'T.... but....

....there were numerous articles linking Sarri with a departure from the club. Those reports cited sarri wanting leave (homesick, elderly parents), juve lining Sarri up, and also the board wanting to get rid of him. 

As with when Ranieri was sacked, he was dead man walking (which btw you also wouldn't have been able to prove definitively before the event), it's just in Sarri's case, we managed to engineer through luck or design, a way for him to leave without having to pay him off. Win win for everyone.

Then why does he say that Sarri would have been sacked in any possible scenario if he can't prove it ? ? ?

15 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

As I said one of many, just the top one to click on.

You are right on this. There was lots of media reports of Abramovich wanting to sack Sarri because of the poor quality of football we were playing. You only have to Google to still see them.

Interestingly there are also recent reports I wasn't aware of, from an Italian source, that Granovskia was keen to have Sarri back after Lampard's sacking but Roman quickly stepped in and vetoed it.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1402591/Chelsea-news-Maurizio-Sarri-Frank-Lampard-Thomas-Tuchelof

If true, well done Roman. You got one right.

Just now, Wearyourcolours said:

Yeah I was in the boardroom, prove I wasn’t!

If you were Lampard will still here, that or you raged quit because Roman overruled you.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

If you were Lampard will still here, that or you raged quit because Roman overruled you.

I didn’t say I had any input, but I was there.

1 minute ago, Slojo said:

Giroud can be quiet, but he's still reliable, and he's feeding off scraps. He had one chance that Atletico game and scored. 

I think Giroud is doing a job for us and, on occasion, he pulls a rabbit out of the hat , but I don’t think I am able to consider him reliable and consistent as a main striker , scraps or otherwise ? 

Just now, Gol15 said:

Then why does he say that Sarri would have been sacked in any possible scenario if he can't prove it ? ? ?

Why do you say he wouldn't have been sacked if you can't prove it?

None of us can ever prove something definitively, because as far as I am aware, we are not from within the inner circle of the higher echelons of the club.

However there were lots of reports that the club wanted to change the manager (as well as many reports that the manager wanted to go back to Italy).... 

Would that pass in a court of law as "beyond reasonable doubt"? No 

Would it pass a lower burden of proof to the balance of probabilities? Possibly

Was there in this case smoke without fire, and the media were telling lies when then said the club wanted to get rid? Possible - we will never know.