Abraham and Broja must be absolutely fuming at not being deemed good enough to lead our line for this season ...

7 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Abraham and Broja must be absolutely fuming at not being deemed good enough to lead our line for this season ...

Crazy that we could have had Abraham. Ok hes not a top striker, but he was already with us and would probably get more goals and be more involved than Lukaku.

7 minutes ago, ItsEssexRob said:

Crazy that we could have had Abraham. Ok hes not a top striker, but he was already with us and would probably get more goals and be more involved than Lukaku.

Abraham wasn't good enough. The fact that the donkey is trash doesn't change that. Many on here look through rose tinted glasses at Tammy - but he simply wasn't good enough and we were right to try and find an improvement. Obv. the big lump isn't that!

I can understand the club and Tuchel trying to make it work as it HAS to work. After splashing £97m on him, there’s no way we’re recouping that back. He’s going to be 29 soon so this was his last big move really. Something has to change because it’s not working. 

56 minutes ago, Argo said:

It's getting to the point I would genuinely take Morata back in a swap deal.

We’re all feeling emotional, let’s not say things we’ll regret 😄

58 minutes ago, Argo said:

It's getting to the point I would genuinely take Morata back in a swap deal.

It's almost at the stage where even a swap for Delle Ali looks like a good idea LOL

3 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Abraham wasn't good enough. The fact that the donkey is trash doesn't change that. Many on here look through rose tinted glasses at Tammy - but he simply wasn't good enough and we were right to try and find an improvement. Obv. the big lump isn't that!

Oh yeah I understand that, but  it feels like we make so many repeated errors with transfers, particularly strikers.

And just would you look at this City/Spurs game. 30% possession for the away team yet Kane (who this clown thinks he deserves parity with) has got a goal and a through ball that created the first goal.

Edited February 19, 20224 yr by Argo

10 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Abraham wasn't good enough. The fact that the donkey is trash doesn't change that. Many on here look through rose tinted glasses at Tammy - but he simply wasn't good enough and we were right to try and find an improvement. Obv. the big lump isn't that!

I don’t think people are saying Tammy would be some sort of messiah but he’d almost certainly have done better than Rom and would have saved us wasting £100mil. 

2 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

I don’t think people are saying Tammy would be some sort of messiah but he’d almost certainly have done better than Rom and would have saved us wasting £100mil. 

We didn't have to bank on either. Finishing needed improving (understatement) but we were really onto something with Kai at false 9.

Plus if we wanted a different option to mix it up a bit when required we could have offered Giroud a new deal.

5 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

I don’t think people are saying Tammy would be some sort of messiah but he’d almost certainly have done better than Rom and would have saved us wasting £100mil. 

Exactly this ... we actually had two chances (Tammy plus Broja) to save £100m and get a better result, but it's not the billionaire way I suppose.

It's probably a "thing" to brag about losing the most money on a transfer in those circles ... because it proves how rich you are that it doesn't matter a jot ... 

2 minutes ago, ItsEssexRob said:

Crazy that we could have had Abraham. Ok hes not a top striker, but he was already with us and would probably get more goals and be more involved than Lukaku.

I've been saying for a while that I would rather we kept Abraham than sign Lukaku. I don't even rate Abraham highly, he's not good enough for where we want to be, but I am certain he would have been no worse than Lukaku. Even if he was, it wouldn't be anywhere near as damaging as what Lukaku is going to be in the long run. At least Abraham was one of our own, it's not like we threw away £100m and put him on insane wages to bring him to the club like we did with Lukaku.

Everybody involved in this deal f**ked up. We needed a goal scorer for sure, but when you spend £100m, you need to get it absolutely spot on, because if you get it wrong, it's likely that you will set the team back for a long time, and there were enough signs that Lukaku was not the player you want to take that kind of gamble with. I mean for f**k sake, we have been watching this guy for a decade, everybody knows everything there is to know about him.

Did we seriously believe we couldn't let this "chance" slip through our fingers? were we really THAT desperate? We had just won the Champions League, we were a young team that had just taken one giant step in development, we didn't need to bring in this liability. 

Football changes fast, there are always a few break through players every season, you just need to bide your time. But no, once again we have shot ourselves in the foot and bought in a very limited footballer for an obscene amout of money on massive wages. There is no way we recover from this quickly, it's yet another set back signing, and a set back to what I thought was showing early signs of becoming one of the most promising teams in Europe.

8 minutes ago, Argo said:

We didn't have to bank on either. Finishing needed improving (understatement) but we were really onto something with Kai at false 9.

Plus if we wanted a different option to mix it up a bit when required we could have offered Giroud a new deal.

We activated the extension clause in his contract so we could get a fee for him! He didn’t need to sign a contract!

3 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I've been saying for a while that I would rather we kept Abraham than sign Lukaku. I don't even rate Abraham highly, he's not good enough for where we want to be, but I am certain he would have been no worse than Lukaku. Even if he was, it wouldn't be anywhere near as damaging as what Lukaku is going to be in the long run. At least Abraham was one of our own, it's not like we threw away £100m and put him on insane wages to bring him to the club like we did with Lukaku.

Everybody involved in this deal f**ked up. We needed a goal scorer for sure, but when you spend £100m, you need to get it absolutely spot on, because if you get it wrong, it's likely that you will set the team back for a long time, and there were enough signs that Lukaku was not the player you want to take that kind of gamble with. I mean for f**k sake, we have been watching this guy for a decade, everybody knows everything there is to know about him.

Did we seriously believe we couldn't let this "chance" slip through our fingers? were we really THAT desperate? We had just won the Champions League, we were a young team that had just taken one giant step in development, we didn't need to bring in this liability. 

Football changes fast, there are always a few break through players every season, you just need to bide your time. But no, once again we have shot ourselves in the foot and bought in a very limited footballer for an obscene amout of money on massive wages. There is no way we recover from this quickly, it's yet another set back signing, and a set back to what I thought was showing early signs of becoming one of the most promising teams in Europe.

In fairness Lukaku was looking great at Inter before he decided to gain 20lbs again after coming back here. For his supposed boyhood club he really doesn't seem to be enthusiastic about playing for us. 

3 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I've been saying for a while that I would rather we kept Abraham than sign Lukaku. I don't even rate Abraham highly, he's not good enough for where we want to be, but I am certain he would have been no worse than Lukaku. Even if he was, it wouldn't be anywhere near as damaging as what Lukaku is going to be in the long run. At least Abraham was one of our own, it's not like we threw away £100m and put him on insane wages to bring him to the club like we did with Lukaku.

Everybody involved in this deal f**ked up. We needed a goal scorer for sure, but when you spend £100m, you need to get it absolutely spot on, because if you get it wrong, it's likely that you will set the team back for a long time, and there were enough signs that Lukaku was not the player you want to take that kind of gamble with. I mean for f**k sake, we have been watching this guy for a decade, everybody knows everything there is to know about him.

Did we seriously believe we couldn't let this "chance" slip through our fingers? were we really THAT desperate? We had just won the Champions League, we were a young team that had just taken one giant step in development, we didn't need to bring in this liability. 

Football changes fast, there are always a few break through players every season, you just need to bide your time. But no, once again we have shot ourselves in the foot and bought in a very limited footballer for an obscene amout of money on massive wages. There is no way we recover from this quickly, it's yet another set back signing, and a set back to what I thought was showing early signs of becoming one of the most promising teams in Europe.

I don’t blame the club for buying Lukaku.  The way he played the past two seasons indicated that he had developed his play. It seemed like a perfect fit. 
 

Unfortantly, it seems we might as well add Lukaku to the list of failed strikers at the club. 

5 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I've been saying for a while that I would rather we kept Abraham than sign Lukaku. I don't even rate Abraham highly, he's not good enough for where we want to be, but I am certain he would have been no worse than Lukaku. Even if he was, it wouldn't be anywhere near as damaging as what Lukaku is going to be in the long run. At least Abraham was one of our own, it's not like we threw away £100m and put him on insane wages to bring him to the club like we did with Lukaku.

Everybody involved in this deal f**ked up. We needed a goal scorer for sure, but when you spend £100m, you need to get it absolutely spot on, because if you get it wrong, it's likely that you will set the team back for a long time, and there were enough signs that Lukaku was not the player you want to take that kind of gamble with. I mean for f**k sake, we have been watching this guy for a decade, everybody knows everything there is to know about him.

Did we seriously believe we couldn't let this "chance" slip through our fingers? were we really THAT desperate? We had just won the Champions League, we were a young team that had just taken one giant step in development, we didn't need to bring in this liability. 

Football changes fast, there are always a few break through players every season, you just need to bide your time. But no, once again we have shot ourselves in the foot and bought in a very limited footballer for an obscene amout of money on massive wages. There is no way we recover from this quickly, it's yet another set back signing, and a set back to what I thought was showing early signs of becoming one of the most promising teams in Europe.

Considering our stature and spending power, we never seem to be linked with the best anymore. Why  do we seem to find these clunkers constantly. I think its  this that has prevented us from being more dominant domestically.

Ok can hardly complain with our trophy haul since 2003, but Man City are about to have won more titles than us in the PL  era despite us having an 8 year head start.



 

Edit; wrong thread

Edited February 19, 20224 yr by RomansRoubles

I really hope Lukaku and his apologists are watching this Harry Kane performance. Hardly touched the ball and he’s got a hat trick 

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

In fairness Lukaku was looking great at Inter before he decided to gain 20lbs again after coming back here. For his supposed boyhood club he really doesn't seem to be enthusiastic about playing for us. 

 

1 minute ago, JM7 said:

I don’t blame the club for buying Lukaku.  The way he played the past two seasons indicated that he had developed his play. It seemed like a perfect fit. 
 

Unfortantly, it seems we might as well add Lukaku to the list of failed strikers at the club. 

I never bought into this so called improved player. Inter Milan are not one of the best teams in Europe playing in one of the best leagues anymore. Serie A has become a retirement home for players that have achieved everything they can achieve at the top level, or players that couldn't make it at their former club, so they go there to rebuild their careers.

Giroud, who could barely run in the Premier League, has started 8 games in row for AC Milan and is one of the best strikers in the league. Ibrahimovic is 40 years old and came back from America (another retirement home) to score a goal in every other game. Sanchez looked finished at United, but he's a key player at Inter. Abraham was a player with some bright moments in the Premier League, but ultimately not good enough to play for the very best, is now one of the best strikers in Serie A. 

If this wasn't enough to prove just how far Serie A has fallen, how about this..........35 year old Ashley Young, won the title with Inter Milan, but not just as a filler player, but as a regular starter, he was a key player for them. Now look at him, back in the Premier League and struggling to get a game at Villa, a mid table Premier League team struggling for form.

Lukaku is very one-dimensional.

His interplay is very poor, he seems really just a goal hanger.

For me with our possession based play he will not get enough time or space to score goals.

Like today when the opposition go to sleep, on the counter he may have a chance if he can stay onside.

I find it worrying our club did not know about his weaknesses before we bought him.........

 

1 hour ago, JM7 said:

I can understand the club and Tuchel trying to make it work as it HAS to work. After splashing £97m on him, there’s no way we’re recouping that back.

Win Champions League without Lukaku = €100M

Lose Last 16 with Lukaku = €10M

Not sure it´s the best idea to double down on your mistakes.

32 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I really hope Lukaku and his apologists are watching this Harry Kane performance. Hardly touched the ball and he’s got a hat trick 

What does that say? Touching the ball isn’t important providing the service is good? 
 

Lukaku today deserves all the flak he is receiving, his movement was shocking. Will be interesting to see what Tuchels take on it. Is he playing to orders to keep in a central section of the pitch? That said the service to was awful. Ziyech our star man…had 77 touches but gave away possession 31 times! What s the narrative on him if Mitchell doesn’t lose the flight of the ball or Pulisic who can’t pass it 5 yds , Kai who again flatters to deceive…where is this next generational player? Add to this Werner has fallen off the face of the earth. Maybe though the loss of James and Chilwell has really affected us. 

28 minutes ago, ElTerrible said:

 

Win Champions League without Lukaku = €100M

Lose Last 16 with Lukaku = €10M

Not sure it´s the best idea to double down on your mistakes.

Did we lose to Lille Already

37 minutes ago, charierre said:

What does that say? Touching the ball isn’t important providing the service is good? 
 

Lukaku today deserves all the flak he is receiving, his movement was shocking. Will be interesting to see what Tuchels take on it. Is he playing to orders to keep in a central section of the pitch? That said the service to was awful. Ziyech our star man…had 77 touches but gave away possession 31 times! What s the narrative on him if Mitchell doesn’t lose the flight of the ball or Pulisic who can’t pass it 5 yds , Kai who again flatters to deceive…where is this next generational player? Add to this Werner has fallen off the face of the earth. Maybe though the loss of James and Chilwell has really affected us. 

I think there's just no systematic use for him in this system. I can't prove it but I personally think we panicked at the finishing last season and grabbed what we thought would be a guaranteed 20 goals.

Would we have won the league if we held fire and waited for a suitable option? Probably not but at the very least they'd be some good football on display, I honestly think even Pep or peak Wenger would struggle to play good/fluid football with Lukaku in the team, he simply has no attributes that that football requires, on or off the ball.

When it comes to am expensive striker we cannot shift vs a manager we can sack and replace I know what I expect the club will do.