2 minutes ago, Malcolm9 said:

I love how Lukaku is being picked out, the team as a whole were pretty poor. We are far to plodding in possession, we aren't going to create chances like that against low block teams.

Everyone is being chewed out. It's just a terrible team performance all around. Our CBs were saved by Juve having sh*te forwards too

2 minutes ago, RMCM said:

Do you actually support Chelsea or would you follow any team where pulisic plays? 

Stupid Question of the Evening has just been awarded… 

We’d have won 8-1 if Osgood was playing!

1 minute ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I’m not surprised. A lot of the people that didn’t want the signing were just waiting for their “I told you so” moment. 

We don't play to his strengths, we need more decisive fast passes intransitive I see too much backwards passing, slowing down of thr play. Balls out wide rather than centrally through thr channels.

Lot of criticism of the team tonight but I have never seen a brick wall quite like that tonight.

Juve did a job on us…….. next ! 

Don’t understand the criticism for lukaku and it seems a tough system for forward players.. with Jorginho and Kova the opposition has nothing to worry from the mid of the field.. and overload the ride areas.. our fullbacks today got doubled team every time they touched.. mount with his movement usually provides cover and decoy.. that is not havertz game.. 

 

5 minutes ago, TheSage said:

Juve didn't play like a big team though. They parked the bus and we couldn't break them down, the same issues we had with compact teams last season.  There's zero creativity in midfield and the wingers aren't also helping matters.

That's what pisses me off the most. They played like Burnley at home and we can't even be bothered to have urgency in the first half and wasn't even focused when they scored the first goal. 

2 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

We don't play to his strengths, we need more decisive fast passes intransitive I see too much backwards passing, slowing down of thr play. Balls out wide rather than centrally through thr channels.

We need an entirely new midfield for that though. This lot are stuck in the tippy tappy, sideways and backwards routine. 

11 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

CHO played well today but to be fair he hasn’t made the most out of the opportunities he has been given in previous games. I don’t blame the manager starting ziyech and co ahead of him. He needs to be more consistent and play the way he played today more often if he wants to start.

We gotta give him some time playing on the left. But getting 15 minutes here and there as a RWB isn't exactly getting great opportunities. I do agree, however, that you do have to make the most of the opportunities give to you. So, in that regard, I'd like to see a lot more out of EVERYONE

1 minute ago, Jangz said:

Don’t understand the criticism for lukaku and it seems a tough system for forward players.. with Jorginho and Kova the opposition has nothing to worry from the mid of the field.. and overload the ride areas.. our fullbacks today got doubled team every time they touched.. mount with his movement usually provides cover and decoy.. that is not havertz game.. 

 

It's basically the same tactics that got us multiple goals. Last season we got tons of chances playing this exact system. 

The difference is no one found any solution to Juve's challenges today. 

13 minutes ago, TheSage said:

Juve didn't play like a big team though. They parked the bus and we couldn't break them down, the same issues we had with compact teams last season.  There's zero creativity in midfield and the wingers aren't also helping matters.

Not sure I agree. I don't think Juventus just parked the bus, they defended well, and I think that's what separates top teams parking the bus versus teams like Burnley, west brom etc. It was almost similar to our defensive display against Liverpool. 

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6 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

We need an entirely new midfield for that though. This lot are stuck in the tippy tappy, sideways and backwards routine. 

At this rate Ruben will break into the starting 11 in no time

12 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

Stupid Question of the Evening has just been awarded… 

We’d have won 8-1 if Osgood was playing!

Maybe I’m out of the loop here? 

 

15 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I’m not surprised. A lot of the people that didn’t want the signing were just waiting for their “I told you so” moment. 

It’s disappointing to read really. 

Utterly pointless blaming Lukaku for tonight. He was offered nothing bar that late chance. Havertz, Kovacic, Jorginho and Ziyech were pedestrian and turgid and there was bugger all quality from the wing backs. 

It's hard to recall another performance where we played utterly into the hands of the opposition. Juventus probably sat in the dressing room at half time delighted at how we were passing the ball around in front of a back line that could keep us out for 8 weeks due to the total lack of creativity we had. 

I can see how Jorginho was our top scorer last season.

18 minutes ago, andy said:

Lot of criticism of the team tonight but I have never seen a brick wall quite like that tonight.

Juve did a job on us…….. next ! 

So did Man City, lukaku was supposed to finish all the chances that Werner spurned, where are the chances, i know its a bit knee -jerk, but other teams will now take solace at how easy it is to keep us quiet??

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23 minutes ago, TheSage said:

Juve didn't play like a big team though. They parked the bus and we couldn't break them down, the same issues we had with compact teams last season.  There's zero creativity in midfield and the wingers aren't also helping matters.

When we played Werner, Mount, havertz, you’ve got rubs from mid field bevsyse the wing backs push up taking away 2 men, then 3 dynamic players, Werner runs, Mount tucking in to carry the ball, havertz making movements in and around the box.
 

Teams can’t Live with that, super quick transitions, turn over of play and 3 or 4 options, It’s a nightmare to defend...now pass to a big horse and watch him try and spin players, nothing like the same level of football 

We know what we are and you know what the rest of the chant is toothless tonight and Saturday but we love a crisis whether minor or major and we'll always come out on top KTBFFH

5 minutes ago, loz said:

Utterly pointless blaming Lukaku for tonight. He was offered nothing bar that late chance. Havertz, Kovacic, Jorginho and Ziyech were pedestrian and turgid and there was bugger all quality from the wing backs. 

It's hard to recall another performance where we played utterly into the hands of the opposition. Juventus probably sat in the dressing room at half time delighted at how we were passing the ball around in front of a back line that could keep us out for 8 weeks due to the total lack of creativity we had. 

It’s not about blaming him as an individual it’s the fact that having to play everything through him destroys our creative football, no overlapping wing backs runs, no runners off the ball, no short runs around the box, it’s killed our style of football. 

Great defensive job by Juve, but we have been struggling against any defensive team for some seasons now and Tuchel is not capable of changing this. We have great attacking players but they can’t dribble, and without dribbling we can’t disorganise a drilled defence. The only one that can take one on one seems to be Pulisic and he is constantly injured. CHO used to be a good player to take on defenders but has lost his mojo. Other than that, we rely in passes between players and crosses to packed areas. Easy to defend. That’s what Hazard did for us, great dribbler that would make spaces by taking out defenders with his dribbling, imo.

4 minutes ago, SFL82 said:

It’s not about blaming him as an individual it’s the fact that having to play everything through him destroys our creative football, no overlapping wing backs runs, no runners off the ball, no short runs around the box, it’s killed our style of football. 

This just isn't accurate and seems like a narrative that the people who don't want Lukaku are building. The team has been doing all that and more in previous matches that we have won. Just because our attacking players haven't performed well in the last few games, that doesn't mean Lukaku is the cause.

7 minutes ago, SFL82 said:

It’s not about blaming him as an individual it’s the fact that having to play everything through him destroys our creative football, no overlapping wing backs runs, no runners off the ball, no short runs around the box, it’s killed our style of football. 

Most of that comes down do our midfield to be honest. It hasn't been good enough creatively. Look how much more we created once RLC came on for example. We played the first hour with Ziyech as our creative mid and he has been woeful of late. Plus our 2 full backs were hardly flying down the flanks at that point either. I am hoping to see RLC, Chilwell, and CHO start at the weekend.

I can't remotely see how Lukaku playing somehow stops our wing backs overlapping or runs off the ball. 

3 minutes ago, loz said:

I can't remotely see how Lukaku playing somehow stops our wing backs overlapping or runs off the ball. 

Agenda.

What an absolute pile of sh*t performance that was. Havertz needs to actually do something other than living off the final goal, he’s offered nothing all season. Ziyech I’m close to giving up on, he’s supposed to have provided a creative edge but he offered zero all game.

Don’t even get me started on those subs from Tuchel, Barkley might have wearing socks like Jack Grealish but he still plays like Ross Barkley.