2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Yeah but for £70m? I don't believe Gallagher is this sought after footballer. The only rival showing genuine interest were Spurs in August and they tabled a £40m total package but the club was holding out for £45m. This is the same market where Maddison and Palmer both went for £40m, and Kudus and Paqueta were purchased for less than £40m. Four highly productive players with the ball. 

Excess of £40m would also break the transfer records of the other "interested" clubs in Everton and West Ham.

 

 

Mount at 60 million was us pulling United's pants down. Gallagher has never been anywhere near the level as Mason Mount ever was here. 

No club would pay over 50 million for Conor, I wouldn't be in a rush to sell him as we need fit reliable squad players who work hard, but at the same time I wouldn't say no to an offer like that because we won't get another one as good as that. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Where would you value him at?

Gotta be asking £50m for Conor.

You would have to be very lucky to get 50m for Gallagher so you would snap up an other like that. I just don't see how any top team would want Gallagher unless they see him as a cheap backup as 40m is cheap for the big clubs.

His ability as a footballer is being questioned on here. I’ve seen enough in him over the last few months to disagree. He’s no Pirlo but he’s much better than some seem to think. 

1 hour ago, 19seventyone said:

His ability as a footballer is being questioned on here. I’ve seen enough in him over the last few months to disagree. He’s no Pirlo but he’s much better than some seem to think. 

My take is he would look better in a 4-3-3 playing as a B2B midfielder with a DM sitting deep in midfield. He would have been the perfect player for Klopp as a replacement for Henderson.

The issue we have is the 2 £100m players that everyone is still trying to work out, and Poch is not helping with his insistence on playing a midfield 2. I am intrigued to see what would happen if we played Enzo the deepest with Caicedo & Conor ahead of him. Just like Italy did with Pirlo deepest with Gattuso & De Rossi ahead of him and AC Milan with Gattuso & Seedorf ahead of him. Playing Enzo deepest with utilise his best attributes allowing him to operate creatively from a deeper position, in or even behind the main midfield line, in a seemingly defensive midfield role, where he will be allowed more time on the ball to create scoring opportunities with his trademark long balls. I think this will bring out the best in both Caicedo & Conor also.

38 minutes ago, ducavis said:

My take is he would look better in a 4-3-3 playing as a B2B midfielder with a DM sitting deep in midfield. He would have been the perfect player for Klopp as a replacement for Henderson.

The issue we have is the 2 £100m players that everyone is still trying to work out, and Poch is not helping with his insistence on playing a midfield 2. I am intrigued to see what would happen if we played Enzo the deepest with Caicedo & Conor ahead of him. Just like Italy did with Pirlo deepest with Gattuso & De Rossi ahead of him and AC Milan with Gattuso & Seedorf ahead of him. Playing Enzo deepest with utilise his best attributes allowing him to operate creatively from a deeper position, in or even behind the main midfield line, in a seemingly defensive midfield role, where he will be allowed more time on the ball to create scoring opportunities with his trademark long balls. I think this will bring out the best in both Caicedo & Conor also.

Exactly my thoughts, especially since Nkunku looks like another sicknote. 

4 hours ago, ducavis said:

My take is he would look better in a 4-3-3 playing as a B2B midfielder with a DM sitting deep in midfield. He would have been the perfect player for Klopp as a replacement for Henderson.

The issue we have is the 2 £100m players that everyone is still trying to work out, and Poch is not helping with his insistence on playing a midfield 2. I am intrigued to see what would happen if we played Enzo the deepest with Caicedo & Conor ahead of him. Just like Italy did with Pirlo deepest with Gattuso & De Rossi ahead of him and AC Milan with Gattuso & Seedorf ahead of him. Playing Enzo deepest with utilise his best attributes allowing him to operate creatively from a deeper position, in or even behind the main midfield line, in a seemingly defensive midfield role, where he will be allowed more time on the ball to create scoring opportunities with his trademark long balls. I think this will bring out the best in both Caicedo & Conor also.

But Enzo was originally kind of doing that role when he first arrived. He was moaning about the restrictions that put on him and some of his defensive frailties were exposed. The move to get Caicedo, Lavia, and to a lesser extent Ugochukwu was to allow Fernandez a more free roaming role.

I agree with you regarding distribution from deep but I remain concerned about his defensive shortcomings in a holding position.

15 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The market dictates the price though. £40m in this market gets you a footballer that is very productive with the ball and you are suggesting we should hold out for £70m for Gallagher who is quite underwhelming with the ball. There isn't a reality where clubs are lining up to pay that. What's to stop clubs from ignoring Gallagher given the price and purchasing abroad for cheaper and better, which is literally what West Ham did last summer with Kudus? 

All evidence suggests we are in the sh*tter for another year and much like Mount, Gallagher will be viewed as the highest potential value in book profit. Given that Mount went for £60m, is a European champion and has that 2021 season to back up, I feel that Gallagher for £40-45m is appropriate. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homegrown_Player_Rule_(England)

Mount had gone two season of doing next to nothing, Gallagher is coming off the back of a season as one of the top performing CM's.

As has been said, we accepted a bid from Everton worth £45 million a year ago.

Anything less than £60 mill should be thrown out.

48 minutes ago, 19seventyone said:

As has been said, we accepted a bid from Everton worth £45 million a year ago.

Anything less than £60 mill should be thrown out.

never going to happen anyway. Not in this window

6 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Mount had gone two season of doing next to nothing

Ohh finally admitting that now? 👀

1 minute ago, Victor90 said:

Ohh finally admitting that now? 👀

Sorry - i meant one year. His injuries were widely reported that year and impacted his playtime/output.

Year before he was still class under Tuchel. 

Just now, RIP Mourinho said:

Sorry - i meant one year. His injuries were widely reported that year and impacted his playtime/output.

Year before he was still class under Tuchel. 

I thought he was still off pace that year under Tuchel, our top scorer and assister but he went missing in many games. He was still one of the best players in the team though, everyone's form was hit and miss that year. 

9 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

But Enzo was originally kind of doing that role when he first arrived. He was moaning about the restrictions that put on him and some of his defensive frailties were exposed. The move to get Caicedo, Lavia, and to a lesser extent Ugochukwu was to allow Fernandez a more free roaming role.

I agree with you regarding distribution from deep but I remain concerned about his defensive shortcomings in a holding position.

It's up to a coach to save players from themselves.

Ederson would have become a midfielder by now if he had even the remotest say in it.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

It's up to a coach to save players from themselves.

Ederson would have become a midfielder by now if he had even the remotest say in it.

How he played against Fulham was no different than how he plays under Scaloni. The CAM nonsense needs to stop though. 

 

12 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

 

You know what, I'm conveniently starting to think stats are a load of bollocks. 

18 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

 

I said this a few weeks back too.. he is stylistically similar to Kante.. and he is only 23. Give the boy a chance it’s not his fault that we 23 he is expected to be this world class product because he is at Chelsea.. 

f**k me Modric, Lampard, and now Kante, the kid can do it all. 

"If Gallagher wasn't playing for Chelsea we'd try and sign him for £80m".

These hypotheticals work both ways, if we signed him for Palace in 2022 with no previous link to the club and his arrival coincided with the start of the Mount leaving rumours he'd have been public enemy number 1.

Just been hit by Deja vu. 

Great comparison by Cole. 

On 20/01/2024 at 15:07, Jangz said:

I said this a few weeks back too.. he is stylistically similar to Kante.. and he is only 23. Give the boy a chance it’s not his fault that we 23 he is expected to be this world class product because he is at Chelsea.. 

Who's asking him to be world class right now? We're not the ones comparing him to Kante, Lampard and Modric.

He's not just not world class, he's barely average. Everybody is deceived by him running around like an idiot thinking that makes him good. I've seen the exact same thing from hundreds of mid table players all of the way down to lower leagues. He's a passion merchant.

16 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Who's asking him to be world class right now? We're not the ones comparing him to Kante, Lampard and Modric.

He's not just not world class, he's barely average. Everybody is deceived by him running around like an idiot thinking that makes him good. I've seen the exact same thing from hundreds of mid table players all of the way down to lower leagues. He's a passion merchant.

Henderson is the perfect comparison to Gallagher in many ways. Neither have top 1% footballing abilities in  eg. shooting, passing, receiving a pass, controlling the ball, vision. Both have top 1% abilities in workrate, understanding their clubs, humility, intelligence, team comes first mentality, and some footballing abilities like fitness, organizing skills, availability for example. 

IF you find players that complement these abilities in your team there is no limit what the club can achieve. Liverpool won CL and Prem with Henderson. You need top footballing abilities along with what Gallagher has. 

On the negative side you can see how well Liverpool is doing without Henderson now with new midfielders. If this is the view on Gallagher I can understand he is for sale.

17 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Who's asking him to be world class right now? We're not the ones comparing him to Kante, Lampard and Modric.

He's not just not world class, he's barely average. Everybody is deceived by him running around like an idiot thinking that makes him good. I've seen the exact same thing from hundreds of mid table players all of the way down to lower leagues. He's a passion merchant.

Another day another post trashing a CFC player. Honestly, why do you wake up every morning wondering how you can have a pop at a footballer on an internet forum. We know you think he's sh*t, not good enough, not talented enough, blah blah blah... you even ridicule people for wanting to bring comparisons to the front. I have seen shades of Madrid, Kante, and Lampard in his game this season. Doesnt mean Im comparing him to them, Just there are elements of his game that are there for all to see except a middle aged angry man wanting to trash a young player at a club he claims to support. Go sing "F*uck sari ball" in a field by yourself mate.