6 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Pulisic was signed on his footballing ability (not his nationality) and imho he will stay at the club. He is a good kid with lots of raw ability and he has been unlucky with injury.  He has not been offered to Juventus.  He will be staying at Chelsea. In my 50 years of watching Chelsea I would have to say I strongly disagree with your opinion of Pulisic.

I mean, he has natural ability. His problem is he can't see anything beyond a 20 yard radius of him and has extreme tunnel vision.

Edited June 29, 20224 yr by Argo

Whatever we think about Neymar and how he would do here, no doubt he would genuinely be a marquee signings in name, reputation and merchandise sales alone.

2 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

The question is, how often do swap deals actually work?  Hardly ever to Never is the answer. The media loves to talk about a swap deal. It is part of the soap Opera of the game. But they rarely happen between clubs.  Try not to complicate matters. Try and keep everything separate for now.  Swap deals just hardly ever work out.

Didnt a few happen in italy last summer?

And it probably all about the big pocketers at the top, If boehily wants to do swaps they may too, It could of been Roman who didnt like them but yeah its a good point as you would think they would all do it like in the US

4 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

The question is, how often do swap deals actually work?  Hardly ever to Never is the answer. The media loves to talk about a swap deal. It is part of the soap Opera of the game. But they rarely happen between clubs.  Try not to complicate matters. Try and keep everything separate for now.  Swap deals just hardly ever work out.  Clubs generally want money for their players.

Swaps are often spoken about, rarely ever actually acted upon, its just media nonsense when they get to that kind of daft rumours.

11 minutes ago, Argo said:

I mean, he has natural ability. His problem is he can't see anything beyond a 20 yard radius of him and has extreme tunnel vision.

Yeah, maybe. He is still young and there are improvements to be made to his game. I thought him and Big Rom might have worked well together, but we didn't get to see that. Or rather Pulisic playing alongside an out and out striker might work out well.  Not sure that TT formation works for Pulisc.  Pulisic has been played as a RWB on occasion too.

As an aside, speaking of players who have played RWB, whats happening with CHO?  loan?

15 minutes ago, Kantesmini said:

If boehily wants to do swaps they may too, It could of been Roman who didnt like them but yeah its a good point as you would think they would all do it like in the US

Well, when Roman first came the reason we were able to buy players straight away was that RA paid cash up front and most deals at that time were on the installment plan.  RA and Chelsea paid cash up front and that was what the selling clubs wanted. 

In the USA they have a draft system and therefore they can swap and exchange picks, etc.  It is much more designed that way.  More egalitarian, maybe even communist. lol. But in england and Europe the clubs all want cash especially now as they are still reeling financially from the Pandy.

10 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Yeah, maybe. He is still young and there are improvements to be made to his game. I thought him and Big Rom might have worked well together, but we didn't get to see that. Or rather Pulisic playing alongside an out and out striker might work out well.  Not sure that TT formation works for Pulisc.  Pulisic has been played as a RWB on occasion too.

As an aside, speaking of players who have played RWB, whats happening with CHO?  loan?

How often do players with those big defiencies improve drastically? The likes of Walcott still have the same problems in their 30s as they did as teenagers.

Regarding Callum hopefully he's the one forward (outside Kai and Mount which are givens) that stay. 3rd highest open play big chance creator and key passes in the league last season.

42 minutes ago, dkw said:

Swaps are often spoken about, rarely ever actually acted upon, its just media nonsense when they get to that kind of daft rumours.

The only recent one in England that I can think of was Man United swapping Mkhitaryan to Arsenal for Sanchez a few years back.

Boehly did go on record about trying to bring swaps/trades in as a more regular piece of business so maybe we will start to see it more.

3 hours ago, Kantesmini said:

I like pulisic, I defended him many a time on here and elsewhere but it does look like he may be on the move, If rumours are to be believed we have offered him in a swap deal plus cash for de ligt...

Boehly is known for wanting to do swap deals and is a bargain hunter i.e less big names more actual ability and if they add/better what's there so i wouldn't be surprised if its true then again it could well be a journo just putting 2 and 2 together to get 5 but still

If pulisic can fully recover and avoid injury's he's worth keeping but otherwise its a waste and absolute waste now, plus TT aiint using him much either, Might be a club signing and TT wants rid

Speculation city!

Big Pulisic fan myself but I can't say I would blame them for trading Pulisic for De Ligt from Chelsea's point of view.  

We have about a half dozen guys who can play the spot Pulisic plays best at.  What we need are CB's.  De Ligt is a young, talented CB.  I couldn't fault them for trading him for that.  

3 hours ago, big blue said:

He averages about 29 league games a season. Great on his day, but i dont see him being motivated enough to make it work in english football. Brazilian forwards age horribly.

Those averages are even lower at PSG. In 3 of his 5 seasons there, he hasn't even played half a season of league fixtures.

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Those averages are even lower at PSG. In 3 of his 5 seasons there, he hasn't even played half a season of league fixtures.

that was a typo, supposed to be 20 games! 

6 hours ago, HazardousChoice said:

He could average 10 games a season.

He'd still outscore Pulisic and Ziyech over a full season

Neymar has averaged 29 games the last 5 seasons and still scored nearly  treble the number of goals Pulisic has in that time  (100 vs 37) while having over double the number of assists.

For all the risks he has more talent in the little toe on his weaker foot than the dross we currently have on the wings.

Well worth a loan.

Im not a massive sterling fan by any stretch, but how do his numbers compare to him, since it would probably be pne or the other?

Neymar is a fabulous player that wasted the prime of career in the French because he took the astronomical wages. 

Im not blaming him, i wouldve probably made the same decision, but what makes you think that his 20 games a season would turn us into champions?

Personally its not the right move for me, maybe if we had a settled side and system and we could afford a luxury player, but theres too much already to fix, without trying to cater for Neymar, his lack of commitment, and the circus that surrounds him.

5 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:

More egalitarian, maybe even communist. lol. But in england and Europe the clubs all want cash especially now as they are still reeling financially from the Pandy.

You really need to educate yourself on communism, if you think that is what communism is. 

19 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Well, when Roman first came the reason we were able to buy players straight away was that RA paid cash up front and most deals at that time were on the installment plan.  RA and Chelsea paid cash up front and that was what the selling clubs wanted. 

In the USA they have a draft system and therefore they can swap and exchange picks, etc.  It is much more designed that way.  More egalitarian, maybe even communist. lol. But in england and Europe the clubs all want cash especially now as they are still reeling financially from the Pandy.

Interesting and in Europe different currencies and country borders rather than State borders.

I do feel with some clubs that we don't pay all the cash like with Lukaku yet this barely gets mentioned unless like with Lukaku we are trying to loan him back.

When RA came to Chelsea either 2003 or 2004 his initial splurge on players saved three Italian clubs from bankruptcy due to the knock-on effect of his cash injection.

#Chelsea have been offered the chance to sign both Cristiano Ronaldo and Neymar this summer through intermediaries. 

[via @NizaarKinsella]

More Neymar rumours in the media today. He’s a big name certainly but I can’t see us going for him. Tuchel apparently doesn’t want a “star” to disrupt. 
 

Despite the star name, players like Pogba and Neymar won’t win you trophies. 

Edited July 4, 20224 yr by JM7

I would take both to be honest. We need more potency up top and I believe they would give us that in the short term whilst we scout more long term options i.e Vlahovic, Chiesa etc.

Ronaldo has reinvented himself as more of an 'in the box' type goalscorer, with the added benefit of his long range shooting & free kicks. On top of that the commercial/business increase speaks for itself.

Edited July 4, 20224 yr by Malcolm9

55 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Despite the star name, players like Pogba and Neymar won’t win you trophies. 

Neither will players like Pulisic or Ziyech.

I think people acting like Neymar is too old or we don't need him really need to look at how untalented and terrible our wide players are.

If it's a loan or PSG cover part of his salary we should be all over this.  He could sit like Winston Bogarde and earn his money at PSG.  If he wants to come here it's because he has the hunger to play.

Give me a 50 year old Neymar over Pulisic anyday.

Edited July 4, 20224 yr by HazardousChoice

If it’s for a year loan. I would take the risk and take him, until we have maybe more options next summer. On his day he is world class,

With Paris SG, I just have this feeling that as a club they are in the same bracket as Arsenal, Spurs, Dortmund in terms of how players feel the pressure playing for them. I mean as an Arsenal, Spurs, Dortmund, Paris player, you win, it is ok, you lose, it is the same thing, at the end of the day your bank account is full and you don't really care. Totally different than huge clubs like Madrid, Bayern, even Chelsea, where everybody starts to ask questions when things go bad (in our case was Roman making a first, and quick, move).

It's why I think Neymar (and others) don't get too fussed playing for Paris and this kind of clubs. He is a different type of animal when he is with the Brazil NT.

Think he would see a similar version of him playing for Brazil if he were to come here. Tuchel knows him, there is a lot of pressure in the PL and can't think of the new owners of being other than very demanding after buying one of world's biggest clubs for a fortune.

In the end Neymar is one of world's best players, if fussed about things he is simply brilliant. Would take him here.

One problem with Neymar is he plays on the left same as Sterling. Sterling did  start out playing on right for Liverpool. 

Neymar would be a statement signing, even on loan. It would certainly bring some exciting football back to Chelsea, something arguably missing since we sold Hazard.

Same goes for Ronaldo, even on a season long loan he would eat up the chances we create, often missed by the likes of Pulisic, Havertz, Werner and Lukaku last season.

Neymar, Ronaldo and Sterling...shesh Kante better up his game to his max levels that is a lot of work...

1 hour ago, Malcolm9 said:

Ronaldo has reinvented himself as more of an 'in the box' type goalscorer, with the added benefit of his long range shooting & free kicks. 

He's literally the worst free kick taker on the planet and has been for like 8 years now.

The fact he'd want all the Free kicks isn't a positive.

1 minute ago, HazardousChoice said:

He's literally the worst free kick taker on the planet and has been for like 8 years now.

The fact he'd want all the Free kicks isn't a positive.

This is one of the reasons I don't want him. He continues to do that same style free kick which pays off 1/1000 times and he would best of doing a normal bend it like Beckham style free kick. No other player will get a say because it becomes all about him. Don't need that honestly.

15 minutes ago, ozboy said:

One problem with Neymar is he plays on the left same as Sterling. Sterling did  start out playing on right for Liverpool. 

City fans state Sterling's best seasons came when he was at RW and Sane was at LW. 

Our front three interchange constantly though.