6 weeks of which 2 weeks are international break. So we miss him for 4-6 games ?

34 minutes ago, evissy said:

6 weeks isn't too bad. I feared for much worse.

If this is in fact correct, he shouldn't miss too many games, none against what you'd call top opposition anyway... Plus there's an international break after the game against Forest on Sept 2nd, and I believe another one after the game against Burnley on Oct 7th,.

Even allowing an extra week or two, the Arsenal game on October 21st could be where he makes a comeback. That game is the start of a pretty tough looking run, could be a huge boost to have him back for it.

1 minute ago, coco said:

6 weeks of which 2 weeks are international break. So we miss him for 4-6 games ?

Games between now and October 3rd:
Luton (H)
Wimbledon (H) (EFL CUP)
Forest (H)
Bournemouth (A)
Villa (H)
Fulham (A)

You would hope even without a "10", we'll be able to win most of those.

We have Burnley (A) on Oct 7, followed by another 2 week break from league games (I'm guessing that's another international break). If he can get back to full training for that 2nd break hopefully he can continue where he left off in late October.

1 hour ago, dermott said:

What do you suggest the club does about a player's boot catching in the pitch? Or a combination of a substandard pitch and a heavy oppo challenge? Or an oppo player landing with their full weight on top of an outstretched leg? That's Carney, Nkunku and Broja.

Keep 'em on the bench, I say! Only field the players we don't need!

1 hour ago, dermott said:

What do you suggest the club does about a player's boot catching in the pitch? Or a combination of a substandard pitch and a heavy oppo challenge? Or an oppo player landing with their full weight on top of an outstretched leg? That's Carney, Nkunku and Broja.

This might work.

53 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

It's every time our player picks up a knock...its a long term injury. Been like this for 2 seasons now.

If you think it's a coincidence that's up to you

If you expect that sort of hyperbole to be taken seriously ... etc ...

 

Chillicon doesn't seem to think he'll be out long, which is encouraging news.

6 weeks isn't terrible. I feared the worst. Frustrating we keep getting hit by injuries though! 

If it wasn’t for bad luck club wouldn’t have any luck at all, 6 weeks usually means 2-3 months and just when he started to feature 

3 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Chillicon doesn't seem to think he'll be out long, which is encouraging news.

Fingers crossed he will return quickly and without any recurrence of the injury. I feel like he is going to be an important player for us in the years ahead.

If we are dead set on sticking with a 10 play Gallagher or Enzo there till Carney is back.

4 hours ago, General said:

If it wasn’t for bad luck club wouldn’t have any luck at all, 6 weeks usually means 2-3 months and just when he started to feature 

Guess we were born under a bad sign...

46 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

If we are dead set on sticking with a 10 play Gallagher or Enzo there till Carney is back.

Tricky Mykky can also play 10.

On 20/08/2023 at 19:07, Fatty_Speeding said:

The physios allowed him to hobble off the pitch without a stretcher, so it seems unlikely it's a cruciate ligament injury.

He also seemed to initially injure it whilst overstretching and picking up that yellow but carried on playing for a while after, which wouldn't be possible to do with a cruciate injury.

I get to act like I'm really smart and knowledgeable about injuries now.

One theory not explored in this article is boots. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/08/22/anterior-cruciate-ligament-injuries-surgery-premier-league/

On 22/08/2023 at 22:57, ozboy said:

One theory not explored in this article is boots. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/08/22/anterior-cruciate-ligament-injuries-surgery-premier-league/

FIFA and UEFA don't give a sh*t. You have UEFA extending the Euro's, the Champions League and adding the Conference League into the calendar. Then you have FIFA extending the World Cup and creating the Club World Cup. Something has to give, this is too much football. 

9 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

FIFA and UEFA don't give a sh*t. You have UEFA extending the Euro's, the Champions League and adding the Conference League into the calendar. Then you have FIFA extending the World Cup and creating the Club World Cup. Something has to give, this is too much football. 

Yup. Player welfare is their least concern.

13 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

FIFA and UEFA don't give a sh*t. You have UEFA extending the Euro's, the Champions League and adding the Conference League into the calendar. Then you have FIFA extending the World Cup and creating the Club World Cup. Something has to give, this is too much football. 

Its disgusting how over worked players are now, especially the young lads. There was an international under 19`s ( I think) tournament that was still going on in July, many players were from first team club squads, how is that right.

Unfortunately when you do get a top player come out and condemn it like KDB did all they get back is "well you get paid loads, it shouldn't bother you" and other such moronic things.

You missed out Wenger wanting a world cup every 2 years, and a euro`s every 2 year, so basically a full on international tournament every single off season, which is farcical.

Do top players play more football now than before? I'm not so sure. Remember the top division used to play 42 league games, on top of 2 cups, cup replays and Europe, with smaller squads and fewer substitutes.

Even right now in the Championship, Leagues 1 and 2 it's 46 league games usually with smaller squads.

1 hour ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Do top players play more football now than before? I'm not so sure. Remember the top division used to play 42 league games, on top of 2 cups, cup replays and Europe, with smaller squads and fewer substitutes.

Even right now in the Championship, Leagues 1 and 2 it's 46 league games usually with smaller squads.

The old top division might have played 42 games, etc, but at nothing like the tempo, hence demands, of today's football.

22/23 season, all competitions, a selection:

Bruno Fernandes 70 games

Bernardo Silva 67

Rodri 66

Modric 66

That's a ridiculous number of games.

3 hours ago, dermott said:

The old top division might have played 42 games, etc, but at nothing like the tempo, hence demands, of today's football.

22/23 season, all competitions, a selection:

Bruno Fernandes 70 games

Bernardo Silva 67

Rodri 66

Modric 66

That's a ridiculous number of games.

Sure is. In terms of club football Bruno Fernandes played 5164 minutes - that's huge. Going back 40 years and looking at a top midfielder playing in European competition, Graham Souness played 5327 minutes in 82/83. I wonder which one ran further in those seasons? I also wonder which one sunk the most pints 😂

I also wonder which one dived more often than Tom Daley.

4 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Do top players play more football now than before? I'm not so sure. Remember the top division used to play 42 league games, on top of 2 cups, cup replays and Europe, with smaller squads and fewer substitutes.

Even right now in the Championship, Leagues 1 and 2 it's 46 league games usually with smaller squads.

It's interesting, I was comparing Liverpool's 84-85 season to their 21-22 season, and they actually played just as many games, 63. In 21-22 they played in 3 cup finals (fa cup, league cup, champions league) and they could have played more games in 84-85 if they didn't go out of the League Cup early.

So overall, there may actually be less games played now than before, at least at the very top. If you're playing in the Europa League, that can potentially increase it by quite a bit compared to how it was in the 80's when it was the UEFA Cup.

Here is what I think is making the biggest difference. Footballers today are pushing the human body to it's limit with training and fitness, I can remember Gascoigne with a bit of beer belly playing for England. Players were eating fry-ups and drinking champagne before games back in those days. Travelling during pre season can't be helping either. Training in different climates and pitches must be difficult. I also think the schedule today is a mess. The Premier League is Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday, when it should be just Saturday and Sunday. FA Cup games are on Fridays and Mondays now too. 

The biggest problem of all though is the international tournaments. Back in the 80's, the Euro's only had 8 teams, so the tournament was much shorter which meant that most top players around the world were giving their bodies time to recover for the new season. Expanding it to 16 teams was the sweet spot, most tournaments would start June and end before July. It's very different today. We have 24 teams now and each of the last two European Championships has ended no earlier than July 10th. Then there is the World Cup. Scheduling during the World Cup has mostly remained the same, start June and finish mid July, teams have expanded in that time though from 24 in the 80's to 32 today. But it's the next world cup when things are going to get messy, 48 teams with the Final being played on July 19th! This is crazy. You now have two international tournaments finishing way into July. We also have the Nations League replacing friendles, which is yet another competitive tournament, and one that nobody asked for.

There is more to come though. The Club World cup starts in 2025, which means another tournament starting in June and ending in mid July.

The biggest issues are international football, scheduling, current competitions expanding and new competitions forming. By 2025, football will be pushing things way too far.

Edited August 25, 20232 yr by Scott Harris

45 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

It's interesting, I was comparing Liverpool's 84-85 season to their 21-22 season, and they actually played just as many games, 63. In 21-22 they played in 3 cup finals (fa cup, league cup, champions league) and they could have played more games in 84-85 if they didn't go out of the League Cup early.

So overall, there may actually be less games played now than before, at least at the very top. If you're playing in the Europa League, that can potentially increase it by quite a bit compared to how it was in the 80's when it was the UEFA Cup.

Here is what I think is making the biggest difference. Footballers today are pushing the human body to it's limit with training and fitness, I can remember Gascoigne with a bit of beer belly playing for England. Players were eating fry-ups and drinking champagne before games back in those days. Travelling during pre season can't be helping either. Training in different climates and pitches must be difficult. I also think the schedule today is a mess. The Premier League is Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday, when it should be just Saturday and Sunday. FA Cup games are on Fridays and Mondays now too. 

The biggest problem of all though is the international tournaments. Back in the 80's, the Euro's only had 8 teams, so the tournament was much shorter which meant that most top players around the world were giving their bodies time to recover for the new season. Expanding it to 16 teams was the sweet spot, most tournaments would start June and end before July. It's very different today. We have 24 teams now and each of the last two European Championships has ended no earlier than July 10th. Then there is the World Cup. Scheduling during the World Cup has mostly remained the same, start June and finish mid July, teams have expanded in that time though from 24 in the 80's to 32 today. But it's the next world cup when things are going to get messy, 48 teams with the Final being played on July 19th! This is crazy. You now have two international tournaments finishing way into July. We also have the Nations League replacing friendles, which is yet another competitive tournament, and one that nobody asked for.

There is more to come though. The Club World cup starts in 2025, which means another tournament starting in June and ending in mid July.

The biggest issues are international football, scheduling, current competitions expanding and new competitions forming. By 2025, football will be pushing things way too far.

Really good post that, completely agree with the amount they are pushing players to the limit with sports science. And not just physically but mentally also. In the past when players were allowed a night out with the lads it would have been used as a stress relief (and bonding exercise). They wouldn't dream of doing that these days.

Bigger squads and more substitutions will have hugely helped with the extra stresses of the physical performance though.