1 hour ago, HazardousChoice said:

Sterling has at least troubled the opposition goal.  Is our top scorer and top assister this season.

Zaha could get injured this weekend and be out for the season and I still wouldn't put money on Pulisic, Ziyech or the version of Mount we've seen so far finishing the season with more goals than him.

4 goals is a season Talley for 2 of those guys. 

Mount won't get 4 goals this season.

50 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

At the moment I would gladly give up top 4 and everything else just to see the team playing football that is exciting and keeps me awake

I think the team are already ahead of you.

6th - 8th for me still.

53 minutes ago, Richard P said:

Watch the fifth goal. Quick passing and we weren’t a great team 42 years ago!! We didn’t score for the last 12 games of the season!!

I was at this game. Fantastic. And the 4-0 that Keegan played in as well

45 minutes ago, Jangz said:

our attackers have scored 4 goals in 7 matches this season.. tells you all about this "System".. he has sucked the life out of our attacking players.. why would anyone want to come to this.. for the first time this window we had so many players not wanting to come to Chelsea.. tells you a lot..

You say it's Tuchel, but can you really say any attacking player has done consistently well at Chelsea in the past decade?

Hazard and who else? Costa maybe? but even then, you can't say it was consistent, his second season was sh*te. Pedro? no, not consistently. Willian? never consistent. Oscar, Schurrle, Torres, Morata, Lukaku, Werner, Ziyech, Pulisic, the list goes on and on. The only other one was Mata, and we sold him. Let's not get into giving up on 2 young players that have gone on to being the biggest names in the game and have dominated this league for the past 5 years now.

35 minutes ago, mojo said:

 

 

This game was reminiscent of Southampton in that we started quite well and in some ways, it was too easy…then they scored and we no answer. The game drifted away as soon as they scored. 
 

Same patterns, no-one making forward runs, no intensity, completely unconvincing. 
 

I said at the time that the West Ham win papers over ALOT of cracks 

Edited September 6, 20223 yr by JM7

2 minutes ago, JM7 said:

This game was reminiscent of Southampton in that we started quite well and in some ways, it was too easy…then they scored and we no answer. The game drifted away as soon as they scored. 
 

Same patterns, no-one making forward runs, no intensity, completely unconvincing. 
 

I said at the time that the West Ham win papers over ALOT of cracks 

True. Although they scored only 13 mins into the game. So while we started well it was still very early on. Perhaps most worrying is that we seemed unable to change anything even in the second half, after we had a chance to regroup at half time.

24 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

You say it's Tuchel, but can you really say any attacking player has done consistently well at Chelsea in the past decade?

Hazard and who else? Costa maybe? but even then, you can't say it was consistent, his second season was sh*te. Pedro? no, not consistently. Willian? never consistent. Oscar, Schurrle, Torres, Morata, Lukaku, Werner, Ziyech, Pulisic, the list goes on and on. The only other one was Mata, and we sold him. Let's not get into giving up on 2 young players that have gone on to being the biggest names in the game and have dominated this league for the past 5 years now.

You can't tell me any striker in world football would thrive under Tuchel's football atm. 

In what world would Hazard or Costa thrive when we don't have a team that can get them the ball quick enough and in good positions?

 

30 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

You say it's Tuchel, but can you really say any attacking player has done consistently well at Chelsea in the past decade?

It is pretty true, but if it isn't Tuchel or any of the ten or so managers in that period, then what the heck is it? Roman? An Indian burial ground under the changing room?

7 minutes ago, forbzy said:

True. Although they scored only 13 mins into the game. So while we started well it was still very early on. Perhaps most worrying is that we seemed unable to change anything even in the second half, after we had a chance to regroup at half time.

It's a lack of back bone. Neither the team or the fans really have any faith that we can come from behind and win a game. There is no belief and no real fight. We miss characters in our squad and we have done next to nothing to address that issue with our purchases. Silva aside I'm struggling to think of a signing in recent years who has a real sense of 'hating losing'. 

I know that's a bit too simplistic but you we have too many players who portray a sense of  'not that arsed' Coasting along as if the game doesn't matter. You can carry one or two them in a team if they are technically excellent but we gave 7 or 8 and most of them are far from excellent. 

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

You can't tell me any striker in world football would thrive under Tuchel's football atm. 

In what world would Hazard or Costa thrive when we don't have a team that can get them the ball quick enough and in good positions?

 

My point was that it's a recurring thing at this club, no matter who is in charge. It's like no matter who comes in and takes charge of this lot, we have the same issues. Do you honestly believe that if we just get rid of Tuchel, we won't have these same problems with the next coach in 12 months time? We will, because 20 years of experience tells me it will. 

1 minute ago, Snedger said:

It is pretty true, but if it isn't Tuchel or any of the ten or so managers in that period, then what the heck is it? Roman? An Indian burial ground under the changing room?

It's a culture problem. The hiring and firing culture at the club, the culture where we think throwing money at something will fix our problems. The culture where players can hide from their responsibilities the moment they hit a stumbling block and put it all on the manager. It filters through the whole club.

Just now, Scott Harris said:

My point was that it's a recurring thing at this club, no matter who is in charge. It's like no matter who comes in and takes charge of this lot, we have the same issues. Do you honestly believe that if we just get rid of Tuchel, we won't have these same problems with the next coach in 12 months time? We will, because 20 years of experience tells me it will. 

I don't know, because we are under a new regime. What can be said for certain is that Roman for the past 20 years just hired the biggest name available. Didn't care about managing styles or philosophies. This for me was the biggest issue for our merry go round.  If I'm being level headed about it there are no suitable replacements out there. What I can say though is that this squad is ready for a new manager to step in.  

Tuchel for me just looks confused. Is there a clear idea? Structure? To me it doesn't/ We are either playing it slow and turgid, or we are attacking with a lot of players with zero sense of direction and where to move the ball next. And the things Tuchel says and does just makes me even more confused. 

For me, I don't see a way he gets out of this or improves. The team and Tuchel look lost. These next few games are crucial. Forget the results, we need to see an improvement on the pitch. 

Salzburg holding Milan to a draw is a bit of damage control 

3 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

It's a culture problem. The hiring and firing culture at the club, the culture where we think throwing money at something will fix our problems. The culture where players can hide from their responsibilities the moment they hit a stumbling block and put it all on the manager. It filters through the whole club.

Hmm. Maybe there's something in that, but it has consistently resulted in a winning culture too. It's hard to say that if we'd been patient and stuck with Scolari that we'd have won as much if not more and been more entertaining in the process. I personally don't see the latter part of last season and the start of this and think that sticking with Tuchel is the only way we improve all round. Stick with someone, yes, but someone who doesn't take six steps back before one step forward. 

3 hours ago, Jangz said:

this is worse than Sarri ball .. no excuse, why the fck didnt Borja start. He keeps making brain dead decision,

Yeah it was Broja to start not Auba. What message does this send to the squad?! Doesn't matter how you play i guess because some "rando" can  come in and take your place. 

Thanks Salzburg makes the evening more bearable and i am Austrian so that helps. 

49 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

You can't tell me any striker in world football would thrive under Tuchel's football atm. 

In what world would Hazard or Costa thrive when we don't have a team that can get them the ball quick enough and in good positions?

 

Hazard was that good, he’d thrive in any kind of system.

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

I was at this game. Fantastic. And the 4-0 that Keegan played in as well

Me too! Happy days, less expectation!

40 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I don't know, because we are under a new regime. What can be said for certain is that Roman for the past 20 years just hired the biggest name available. Didn't care about managing styles or philosophies. This for me was the biggest issue for our merry go round.  If I'm being level headed about it there are no suitable replacements out there. What I can say though is that this squad is ready for a new manager to step in.  

Tuchel for me just looks confused. Is there a clear idea? Structure? To me it doesn't/ We are either playing it slow and turgid, or we are attacking with a lot of players with zero sense of direction and where to move the ball next. And the things Tuchel says and does just makes me even more confused. 

For me, I don't see a way he gets out of this or improves. The team and Tuchel look lost. These next few games are crucial. Forget the results, we need to see an improvement on the pitch. 

Good post. Worrying but valid

5 minutes ago, Richard P said:

Me too! Happy days, less expectation!

We're the white wall,

We're the white wall,

We're the white wall of the shed.

Different times for sure. Times when we used to hope for a big name in the cup so we could hold our heads up when we got beat by them, rather than the likes of bleeding Walsall

17 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Hazard was that good, he’d thrive in any kind of system.

I'd argue while he was here Hazard played under 2 of the absolute worst possible systems for him to play under with Mou and Conte.

And still shone like the star he was.

He'd have put up 40 G/A a season playing in Klopp and Guardiolas teams.

Just a truly elite footballer.

2 hours ago, Jangz said:

our attackers have scored 4 goals in 7 matches this season.. tells you all about this "System".. he has sucked the life out of our attacking players.. why would anyone want to come to this.. for the first time this window we had so many players not wanting to come to Chelsea.. tells you a lot..

And lots of our attacking players who wanted to leave including Ziyech. 

27 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Hazard was that good, he’d thrive in any kind of system.

Hazard had a goal and assist today for Madrid after coming on for an injured Benzema 

Well that is damaging in our race for the Europa league spot, Zagreb now have an advantage on us...

 

Very much reminds me of Jose against Rosenburg and Robbie against Juve. Team looked half a$$Ed. They don't appear to care or want to put a shift in.

Credit to Dinamo they worked hard for it but we made it so easy on them with our dull, insipid football.

Todd and Co must be worried and probably angry. A lot of money spent and this is what they are seeing, and will have concerns not only about us being in the CL next season, but making it out of this group now 

If Roman was in charge and the axe had no fallen already, I am very, very sure TT would be being sacked tomorrow.