2 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

We lost one game to the bottom half under Sarri. 

Yeah - we got stuffed 4 nil by effing Bournemouth LOL. Proves his point !

Chelsea have never (modern era) tried to ride a bad wave out. So I am thinking what is a difference between a good and a top player. Not much it seems. It is weird we suddenly stop being able to play together unless a new daddy comes in to say nice things. I am seriously questioning the mentality of players we have had in this club...

 

Just now, Drogba1 said:

It's one game. We've been flogged by mid table Prem teams under Lampard and Sarri as well

This is how it goes, you get backed and the bare minimum is to win the bottom feeder of your CL group which is also an easy 2m euros won as well. So far we have been struggling this season and this was just the last drop for the new owners. On paper this was supposed to be an easy introduction to Aubameyang but in practice nothing changed at all, if they don't score at the start of the match it ends 0:0 and the sacking is prolonged by another week.

10 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

They beat us did they not ? And they beat a Mourinho side 3-0. We may not like Spurs, but you cannot discount them as a decent side. Dinamo also beat Sevilla in one of the legs in the Europa last year (the same Sevilla who practically own that trophy in recent years). Also beat West Ham away (Orsic goal again). Perhaps the team thought like you do ... that they just had to turn up for a 4-0 win or something ... ?

The moment you're ready to make out of Dynamo a giant of European football that crushes everyone at any time, by pointing out how they won against Spurs... That's the moment you show that you actually don't even believe in your own club.

When we won the CL we won every single away feature be it against Sevilla or Krasnodar, you're probably the only person that thinks that a loss against a team that isn't even worth half of the money we spent in this tranfer window alone is fine so that's a you problem...

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

The moment you're ready to make out of Dynamo a giant of European football that crushes everyone at any time, by pointing out how they won against Spurs... That's the moment you show that you actually don't even believe in your own club.

When we won the CL we won every single away feature be it against Sevilla or Krasnodar, you're probably the only person that thinks that a loss against a team that isn't even worth half of the money we spent in this tranfer window alone is fine so that's a you problem...

You take all that from my post ? Jesus wept. Talk about not being able to see the wood for the trees LOL.

26 minutes ago, haviet1 said:

Boehly is not some dumb oil reach Arab fan boy who has no clue how to drive a high performance sports car, yet spend millions buying Lambos and Ferraris.

He's an investor/business man. He didn't spend billions to buy Chelsea, and hundred of millions on players as a futbol fan. He's in it to make money, and he will. 

And the only way for him to get his ROI is for Chelsea to win trophies. He will get the right people to run this club (manager, director, president, etc.). Sure, some fans are going to disagree and hate him along the way, but the end results will speak for itself. Remember, if he doesn't get it right; he's at risk of losing millions if not billions of his investment.

It's not like Boehly and his team just took over Chelsea yesterday and decided to sack Tuchel today. They have been assessing him, both on and off the pitch, over a period of time before making the decision. Take a deep breath, relax, and see what will transpires over the next 12-18 months. I am confident that Chelsea will be very competitive again and fighting for the league title, but there might be some bumps and pains along the way.

 

 

I for one am fully aware that this decision came not because of 1 loss but because of the full picture and things weren't looking good.

The most interesting part is that Tuchel was in full control the whole time, Boehly backed him and hoped for the best but it just didn't seem like it's going to work, after all this first match in the CL group stage was a layup, should have been a routine away win, but Tuchel's tactics couldn't produce more than 3 shots on target. It's not like we lost against AC Milan, though given how many believe that Serie A has fallen that also would have raised some eyebrows, we lost against a bottom feeder even with Fofana and Aubameyang. That Dynamo team needed to go through extra time against a team from Norway in order to qualify for the CL group stage... Tuchel seriously screwed up and in this line of business you either sink or swim and he wasn't looking much like swimming in the past months.

41 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Yeah - we got stuffed 4 nil by effing Bournemouth LOL. Proves his point !

Just funny how impactful that result was. People felt like that was happening every week when it was a massive outlier for how the season actually went. 

I for one am disgusted by Boehly spending over 250 million pounds on players in one transfer window for Chelsea.........apalling.........Boehly out........

15 hours ago, azpi28 said:

i think he's going to give it a go on Saturday against Fulham 

he will probably be on the sideline 

This was his plan all along. He didn't want to be Chelsea owner he wanted to be Chelsea manager and bring his sweet FM strategy into the real world!

Screw Sterling, now we will really see Pulisic fly!

7 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

Screw Sterling, now we will really see Pulisic fly!

Too right! I’m sticking more money on that badass to score!

2 hours ago, Mod said:

Too right! I’m sticking more money on that badass to score!

Oh dear i thought you may of gotten help by now.😅

Chelsea FC are without question a ruthless club and whilst many of us more romantic types might have liked a manager who stayed with some degree of longevity creating a distinct football culture …the trophies we have won backs up the ruthless approach even if some decisions made us feel uncomfortable as fans.

However, the removal of TT does not appear to be a sound footballing decision. It stinks of incompetence and to be honest is embarrassing. Of all the suitors looking to buy the club I was never convinced about this bid. I want to be proved wrong but I worry the bloke is a rich idiot when it comes to football.

3 hours ago, The Swan said:

Chelsea FC are without question a ruthless club and whilst many of us more romantic types might have liked a manager who stayed with some degree of longevity creating a distinct football culture …the trophies we have won backs up the ruthless approach even if some decisions made us feel uncomfortable as fans.

However, the removal of TT does not appear to be a sound footballing decision. It stinks of incompetence and to be honest is embarrassing. Of all the suitors looking to buy the club I was never convinced about this bid. I want to be proved wrong but I worry the bloke is a rich idiot when it comes to football.

The alternative being they came in, wanted tuchel to be their guy but all the rumours about tuchel from before he joined Chelsea were true and he fought constantly and why he never stuck anywhere for longer than a couple of year. They looked at the stats like him not playing teenagers, heard his complaints about having no squad when Chuk and Gilmour were frozen out and figured he's a short term guy only. They want a long term manager they can trust who works with them to build a long term and identified potter as being that person. Similar to what they've done at the LA Dodgers.

I think it's a perfectly sound decision. 

17 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

Screw Sterling, now we will really see Pulisic fly!

Has Potter already sent him flying back to the US? 

On 07/09/2022 at 16:17, evissy said:

Chelsea have never (modern era) tried to ride a bad wave out. So I am thinking what is a difference between a good and a top player. Not much it seems. It is weird we suddenly stop being able to play together unless a new daddy comes in to say nice things. I am seriously questioning the mentality of players we have had in this club...

 

Not fully but Roman did give RDM a tiny bit more time and also gave Jose pt.2 too much time imo for his standards. Though in both cases I think he was a bit scared of fan revolt and needed a reason to do it rather than when he wanted to do it.

Why is everyone up in arms...Jesus.  The Queen has croaked there are more important things for the nation to worry about that TT and TB.  

I think we need to calm down. Todd and Co have just rolled into town and from the outset they stated that things will change and like any large corporation changes are either made within a given period of time as a transition period, or the old regime is swept away by the new owners very soon after; I am sure many of us on this forum have experienced this during our working lives.  I have been through 3 global take overs, with CEO's more or less replaced overnight with some more senior executives let go at a later stage during the transition while the new regime get their feet wet.  To me this is no different.  I am sure at the outset there was no immediate decision to fire TT in the short term, if so then they would have done so once the ink was dry on the take over and before the season started. They needed him for the transition phase..100 days maybe that was the transition plan all along.   

I think all of us could see that things weren't necessarily going well even on the pre-season tour.  Whether that was because TT was now being dragged into other areas of the operation, which he clearly was uncomfortable with I don't know.   Again for those of us that work in large corporations in NA it is normal to see Directors and VP's with a number of departments under their portfolio, many of which they have no clue about. It appears that TT was asked to be coach, spokesperson and Director of Football and advisor, especially when Cech left, while the new regime started to feel their way around the club.   They did try and hire a Director of Football but failed, so Todd in his capacity as CEO took the reins and supposedly sought the expertise from TT, certainly with transfer targets it appears.   We could all see that things were beginning to unravel as the tour ended and as the season started, despite the brave face that TT put on, but he was getting prickly and the performances were shocking.   While many look at the Spurs game as us playing at our best, I would argue somewhat that it was down to Spurs letting us have the ball rather than press high in our half.  They played on the counter for the most part and two mistakes cost us. We looked terrific but was that because of TT or Conte reluctance to get after us?  However the next game against Leeds, was shocking and TT started turning on the players, 'weak, not strong enough' etc yet he changed nothing tactically or otherwise, especially within the first 15 mins when Gallagher was being overrun by 2 or 3 Leeds players every time he had the ball...his comments at the end for me was the beginning of the end of him and likely the patience of TB and the group was wearing thin.

TT didn't do himself any favours against Southampton and certainly not against Dynamo, but apparently the decision had already been made win, lose or draw that he had to go.    There are rumours of course that some of the players were pissed off at him and spoke to TB..whether that is true or not we may never know, but one thing for sure TT had to go sooner rather than later with supposed discourse in the camp, according to Cundy and others.   

Yes I know that going through a divorce and all the baggage that comes with it is tough and perhaps we might question whether or not the club offered help or even considered giving him some time off for a few weeks to get himself straightened out mentally.  Either way he's gone, get over it.  I hope GP does well but like many this might be a steep hill to climb, especially in the short term but he did bring his back room staff with him.    

IMO while Todd may appear to be wild and reckless and don't know what he's doing from a footballing sense, but from a sports franchise business sense, I think this he's taken a calculated strategic risk and looking at this club in the long term.....but we will see.

5 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

Why is everyone up in arms...Jesus.  The Queen has croaked there are more important things for the nation to worry about that TT and TB.  

I think we need to calm down. Todd and Co have just rolled into town and from the outset they stated that things will change and like any large corporation changes are either made within a given period of time as a transition period, or the old regime is swept away by the new owners very soon after; I am sure many of us on this forum have experienced this during our working lives.  I have been through 3 global take overs, with CEO's more or less replaced overnight with some more senior executives let go at a later stage during the transition while the new regime get their feet wet.  To me this is no different.  I am sure at the outset there was no immediate decision to fire TT in the short term, if so then they would have done so once the ink was dry on the take over and before the season started. They needed him for the transition phase..100 days maybe that was the transition plan all along.   

I think all of us could see that things weren't necessarily going well even on the pre-season tour.  Whether that was because TT was now being dragged into other areas of the operation, which he clearly was uncomfortable with I don't know.   Again for those of us that work in large corporations in NA it is normal to see Directors and VP's with a number of departments under their portfolio, many of which they have no clue about. It appears that TT was asked to be coach, spokesperson and Director of Football and advisor, especially when Cech left, while the new regime started to feel their way around the club.   They did try and hire a Director of Football but failed, so Todd in his capacity as CEO took the reins and supposedly sought the expertise from TT, certainly with transfer targets it appears.   We could all see that things were beginning to unravel as the tour ended and as the season started, despite the brave face that TT put on, but he was getting prickly and the performances were shocking.   While many look at the Spurs game as us playing at our best, I would argue somewhat that it was down to Spurs letting us have the ball rather than press high in our half.  They played on the counter for the most part and two mistakes cost us. We looked terrific but was that because of TT or Conte reluctance to get after us?  However the next game against Leeds, was shocking and TT started turning on the players, 'weak, not strong enough' etc yet he changed nothing tactically or otherwise, especially within the first 15 mins when Gallagher was being overrun by 2 or 3 Leeds players every time he had the ball...his comments at the end for me was the beginning of the end of him and likely the patience of TB and the group was wearing thin.

TT didn't do himself any favours against Southampton and certainly not against Dynamo, but apparently the decision had already been made win, lose or draw that he had to go.    There are rumours of course that some of the players were pissed off at him and spoke to TB..whether that is true or not we may never know, but one thing for sure TT had to go sooner rather than later with supposed discourse in the camp, according to Cundy and others.   

Yes I know that going through a divorce and all the baggage that comes with it is tough and perhaps we might question whether or not the club offered help or even considered giving him some time off for a few weeks to get himself straightened out mentally.  Either way he's gone, get over it.  I hope GP does well but like many this might be a steep hill to climb, especially in the short term but he did bring his back room staff with him.    

IMO while Todd may appear to be wild and reckless and don't know what he's doing from a footballing sense, but from a sports franchise business sense, I think this he's taken a calculated strategic risk and looking at this club in the long term.....but we will see.

My original post was meant to be a parody of the usual knee jerk response we see towards our managers when we lose a game.

TT OUT !

LAMPARD OUT !

SARRI OUT !

We can't sack the owner can we.

Sorry it went over your head.

I am calm.

3 minutes ago, coco said:

My original post was meant to be a parody of the usual knee jerk response we see towards our managers when we lose a game.

TT OUT !

LAMPARD OUT !

SARRI OUT !

We can't sack the owner can we.

Sorry it went over your head.

I am calm.

Can't believe people people took it seriously 🤪. Only a few weeks ago Channel 4 ran some trailers for their show The Undeclared War where it was done as a sort of newsflash where Adrian Lester and Simon Pegg were playing the roles of PM and a manager at GCHQ and people thought it was real !!. How anyone can confuse a black man and Boris Johnson is beyond me.

1 hour ago, coco said:

My original post was meant to be a parody of the usual knee jerk response we see towards our managers when we lose a game.

TT OUT !

LAMPARD OUT !

SARRI OUT !

We can't sack the owner can we.

Sorry it went over your head.

I am calm.

Frankly any Chelsea team that managed to lose 3 0 to dirty f**king Leeds, I would sack the owner, the manager and all the players 

1 hour ago, coco said:

My original post was meant to be a parody of the usual knee jerk response we see towards our managers when we lose a game.

TT OUT !

LAMPARD OUT !

SARRI OUT !

We can't sack the owner can we.

Sorry it went over your head.

I am calm.

I'm calm..I'm calm....but it appears many are not.

On 07/09/2022 at 17:17, evissy said:

Chelsea have never (modern era) tried to ride a bad wave out. So I am thinking what is a difference between a good and a top player. Not much it seems. It is weird we suddenly stop being able to play together unless a new daddy comes in to say nice things. I am seriously questioning the mentality of players we have had in this club...

 

Sure and look at Liverpool. Other than some moments during Klopp's first few seasons, they've never impressed me with their style of football. And those initial years were largely shaped by the remnants of Rodgers. They've just been hyper efficient. Tuchel, with an inferior starting XI (and with everyone fit), showed the best version of 343 I've ever seen. Of course we never hit that level consistently for number of reasons. 

Liverpool have largely been horrendous this season, and couldn't even dream of having a performance like we had against Spurs. But Klopp will ride the wave and come out on the other side unscathed. 

8 hours ago, CFCCAN said:

I'm calm..I'm calm....but it appears many are not.

Cardinal puff puff.

 

 

 

15 hours ago, coco said:

My original post was meant to be a parody of the usual knee jerk response we see towards our managers when we lose a game.

TT OUT !

LAMPARD OUT !

SARRI OUT !

We can't sack the owner can we.

Sorry it went over your head.

I am calm.

COCO  OUT !

Calmer... Still think this is a risky experiment and I totally disagree with the treatment of TT. As long as it doesnt turn into the Ole mess Utd had and we are prepared to fire the bullet if needed rather than see a failing experiment through.

2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

COCO  OUT !