1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

Tuchels 3 at the back system >>> Potter's 3 at the back system. When all our players were fit (particulary Kante) we dominated games whilst staying rock solid at the back, Guardiola was terrified of us going into the CL final.

Excellent point. Has Potter been able to play Kante?

39 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

https://chng.it/q4WFkQzQxw

Nothing personal Potter, but I'm going to support this petition and share it far and wide. I want it to get big enough that Boehly is made aware of how we his customers feel, he took away our project and restarted it with an inferior coach. 

I actually like Potter and have nothing against him, his football or anything like that, my issue is with Boehly. Boehly doesn't understand our club's culture or our high standards. Boehly dropped the ball so hard, that's now 2 wins in our last 7 games. 

Jesus f**king christ some of our fans are bellends.

4 minutes ago, dkw said:

Jesus f**king christ some of our fans are bellends.

Care to elaborate mate....

5 minutes ago, dkw said:

Jesus f**king christ some of our fans are bellends.

Bit harsh on @Mod

5 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Tuchels 3 at the back system >>> Potter's 3 at the back system. When all our players were fit (particulary Kante) we dominated games whilst staying rock solid at the back, Guardiola was terrified of us going into the CL final.

In the cup games we did. How did that system fair in the league? Okay for the periods when James and Chilwell were on fire, but the wing back role is too demanding for them to be playing every 3 days, Tuchel said as much himself. So how sustainable is it? Would we need 4 top class wing backs, to go along with at least 5 centre backs, while also somehow finding attackers that thrive in this setup, when only Mount has over the last 18 months. 

I agree Tuchels back 3 is better than Potters, and imo Tuchel is a better manager. 

I just think if you are looking to build one of the best sides in europe, and build it for sustained success. You dont use a back 3 as your template. The biggest clubs and the most successful clubs over the last 20 years have almost exclusively played a back 4. Rebuilds are hard to get right, this system is making it 100x harder.

3 minutes ago, big blue said:

In the cup games we did. How did that system fair in the league? Okay for the periods when James and Chilwell were on fire, but the wing back role is too demanding for them to be playing every 3 days, Tuchel said as much himself. So how sustainable is it? Would we need 4 top class wing backs, to go along with at least 5 centre backs, while also somehow finding attackers that thrive in this setup, when only Mount has over the last 18 months. 

I agree Tuchels back 3 is better than Potters, and imo Tuchel is a better manager. 

I just think if you are looking to build one of the best sides in europe, and build it for sustained success. You dont use a back 3 as your template. The biggest clubs and the most successful clubs over the last 20 years have almost exclusively played a back 4. Rebuilds are hard to get right, this system is making it 100x harder.

That begs the question though why did we hire an inferior manager that likes to play a back 3 formation? 

I am talking in hindsight now but what i have seen so far from Potter is that he is out of his depth with Chelsea.

Boehly made a huge mistake in my opinion and giving him such a long contract.

47 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

Ole Gunnar Solsjkear beat him several times.

Four times, three of those in the EFL cup against city bench warmers.

15 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Go on mate I'm listening, if you're going to call someone out at least have the balls to say it and explain your reasoning. Or is it that anyone who doesn't share the same opinion as you is idiotic and therefore wrong?

Mate you've posted a link to a petition to get a sacked manager back and you expect me to take the post seriously?

On to the other point about Boehly you started talking about 'Chelsea standards' like this bloke isn't part of a £4bn consortium to buy the club and hasn't just invested £250m in new players plus a new board and a new coaching team. I can assure you, this bloke has a lot more to lose if Potter fails than we do, so to try and call out his understanding of our standards is idiotic.

We have a long term plan in place and it's very important that we understand that results aren't going to come immediately, we've got a mainly horrible squad that aren't capable of challenging Man City for the league and we've played a mostly defensive style of football for years, potter wants a more progressive attacking style and switching contrasting styles like that isn't going to happen in 2 months.

Im aware that I've probably come across as a dick but this short term thinking is very frustrating. The guy just needs time to build a squad otherwise we're just going to go back to the old ways of sacking a manager every 18 months and never develop that exciting style we as fans want to see.

24 minutes ago, just said:

Excellent point. Has Potter been able to play Kante?

I don't think anyone will be able to play Kante unfortunately, at least not at his usual level. Which is why it's crazy the amount of stick Tuchel got for our performances in his last few months. We were literally playing without our best player.

 

These past few weeks under Potter have arguably been just as bad if not worse than any run of games during Tuchel's period. There doesn't seem to be any real idea of the kind of football he wants us to play either after 2 months of coaching. The only differences is we have less possession during games and we're more vulnerable now.

8 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Mate you've posted a link to a petition to get a sacked manager back and you expect me to take the post seriously?

On to the other point about Boehly you started talking about 'Chelsea standards' like this bloke isn't part of a £4bn consortium to buy the club and hasn't just invested £250m in new players plus a new board and a new coaching team. I can assure you, this bloke has a lot more to lose if Potter fails than we do, so to try and call out his understanding of our standards is idiotic.

We have a long term plan in place and it's very important that we understand that results aren't going to come immediately, we've got a mainly horrible squad that aren't capable of challenging Man City for the league and we've played a mostly defensive style of football for years, potter wants a more progressive attacking style and switching contrasting styles like that isn't going to happen in 2 months.

Im aware that I've probably come across as a dick but this short term thinking is very frustrating. The guy just needs time to build a squad otherwise we're just going to go back to the old ways of sacking a manager every 18 months and never develop that exciting style we as fans want to see.

I mean if getting Tuchel back is a possibility I'd be all for it. With the right players he's shown we can be an absolutely world class team. Look at the start of last season before the injury crisis, not to mention the Champions League win.

18 minutes ago, big blue said:

In the cup games we did. How did that system fair in the league? Okay for the periods when James and Chilwell were on fire, but the wing back role is too demanding for them to be playing every 3 days, Tuchel said as much himself. So how sustainable is it? Would we need 4 top class wing backs, to go along with at least 5 centre backs, while also somehow finding attackers that thrive in this setup, when only Mount has over the last 18 months. 

I agree Tuchels back 3 is better than Potters, and imo Tuchel is a better manager. 

I just think if you are looking to build one of the best sides in europe, and build it for sustained success. You dont use a back 3 as your template. The biggest clubs and the most successful clubs over the last 20 years have almost exclusively played a back 4. Rebuilds are hard to get right, this system is making it 100x harder.

Last season up till the Lukaku fiasco and the injury crisis  we looked a world class team, every bit capable of competing with City and Liverpool. 

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

I mean if getting Tuchel back is a possibility I'd be all for it. With the right players he's shown we can be an absolutely world class team. Look at the start of last season before the injury crisis, not to mention the Champions League win.

Should never have been sacked in the first place. Not sure Tuchel would even be interested in working for these clowns again, so it will never happen.

People compare him to Arteta, Klopp and Guardiola when they say he needs time.

But surely the most obvious comparison for Potter is David Moyes at United.

A dour midtable British manager replacing a serial winner and proven Elite coach because the media and a few connections talk about him being the next big thing despite him never achieving any real success or getting near the highest level who quickly appears out of his depth and starts praising opposition teams and talking about his new club like they're a midtable side and not the elite club they've been for decades prior.

Giving the wrong man too much time can be much much worse than not giving a manager enough.

Ask United fans it's a long way back.

Edited November 9, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

41 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I'd argue Arsenal's success is more down to their recruitment policy under Edu than Arteta being a tactical genius. We need a good Director of Football asap, over any new manager/player. It's a big shame we missed out on Christoph Freund from Salzburg, even our recruitment under Emenalo was far better than it is now.

Regardless of the manager, I fully agree we need a decent Director of Football installed with priority. Ideally before we spend any more money in the transfer market.

5 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

People compare him to Arteta, Klopp and Guardiola when they say he needs time.

But surely the most obvious comparison for Potter is David Moyes at United.

A dour midtable British manager replacing a serial winner and proven Elite coach because the media and a few connections talk about him being the next big thing despite him never achieving any real success or getting near the highest level who quickly appears out of his depth and starts praising opposition teams and talking about his new club like they're a midtable side and not the elite club they've been for decades prior.

Giving the wrong man too much time can be much much worse than not giving a manager enough.

Ask United fans it's a long way back.

United have been a mess now since Ferguson left, but I don't think you can say Moyes was given too much time. He didn't even get a season, and the appointments since then have hardly fared much better despite continuing to spend a ton on new players.

35 minutes ago, loz said:

Bit harsh on @Mod

Pretty sure he was talking about me and @Munkworth

23 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Mate you've posted a link to a petition to get a sacked manager back and you expect me to take the post seriously?

On to the other point about Boehly you started talking about 'Chelsea standards' like this bloke isn't part of a £4bn consortium to buy the club and hasn't just invested £250m in new players plus a new board and a new coaching team. I can assure you, this bloke has a lot more to lose if Potter fails than we do, so to try and call out his understanding of our standards is idiotic.

We have a long term plan in place and it's very important that we understand that results aren't going to come immediately, we've got a mainly horrible squad that aren't capable of challenging Man City for the league and we've played a mostly defensive style of football for years, potter wants a more progressive attacking style and switching contrasting styles like that isn't going to happen in 2 months.

Im aware that I've probably come across as a dick but this short term thinking is very frustrating. The guy just needs time to build a squad otherwise we're just going to go back to the old ways of sacking a manager every 18 months and never develop that exciting style we as fans want to see.

Sorry I dont buy this he needs more time. Tuchel came in and had immediate impact. We have gone from a top 4 team to looking like missing out on top 10 under Potter.

Players dont just fall off this badly either they just are not motivated directly or because world cup is around the corner. Either way its upto Potter to manage this, and the fact he cant speaks volumes.

So from Villa onwards we have managed 2 goal in domestic games from outfield play, Mount keeping his cool on Mings error.

A goal direct from a free kick followed, then 0 goals at Brentford, a penalty vs United, 1 Havertz header from Gallaghers cross vs Brighton, 0 goals vs Arsenal and now 0 goals vs City.

6 games, 2 goals from outfield play. Few chances created in most cases and, when they are, our forwards mess them up for the majority of cases.

Just now, axman2526 said:

So from Villa onwards we have managed 2 goal in domestic games from outfield play, Mount keeping his cool on Mings error.

A goal direct from a free kick followed, then 0 goals at Brentford, a penalty vs United, 1 Havertz header from Gallaghers cross vs Brighton, 0 goals vs Arsenal and now 0 goals vs City.

6 games, 2 goals from outfield play. Few chances created in most cases and, when they are, our forwards mess them up for the majority of cases.

Our attack is worse now than it was under Tuchel.

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

Our attack is worse now than it was under Tuchel.

I always felt if we turned up under Tuchel we could beat anyone. Like I said in the other thread under Potter I just cannot see where the next goal comes from.

Im pretty sure if Roman was in charge this would be over by now.

Cheer up lads on to Newcastle who will be looking forward to playing us.

16 minutes ago, forbzy said:

United have been a mess now since Ferguson left, but I don't think you can say Moyes was given too much time. He didn't even get a season, and the appointments since then have hardly fared much better despite continuing to spend a ton on new players.

They've all done much better, either winning trophies (Mou and Van Gaal) or multiple CL place finishes (Ole)

But the point is the rot sets in quick,  we've always appointed winners. With the exception of Lamps who proved his winning mentality to the club heirarchy as a player and took over in exceptional circumstances every single manager we've had has won big trophies or in Sarri's case had his teams challenging for trophies and racking up massive points tallys by consistently winning games.

Potter doesn't have that experience. He comes from a background where if he managed 5 games, his teams scored 4 goals and he won 2 he's done ok and would get praise.  That doesn't cut it for a club of our stature.

In the same Vain of Moyes showing his defenders videos of Jagielka defending to learn from,  no top club should ever care about how Jagielka defends because the clubs he played for always defended in a completely different way to how top clubs do. The challenge is completely different.

He failed because he couldn't grasp the expectations of United to consistently win games every 3/4 games.

Potters comments around the Arsenal game and today indicate he's not grasped the winning mentality that this club needs and demands, the mentality that Tuchel had.

And he'll have to grasp it quickly because he deserves a much shorter leash than any of our previous managers. It's very hard to argue a manager needs more time than his predecessors when he comes in with the worst CV out of all of them.

Edited November 10, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

So from Villa onwards we have managed 2 goal in domestic games from outfield play, Mount keeping his cool on Mings error.

A goal direct from a free kick followed, then 0 goals at Brentford, a penalty vs United, 1 Havertz header from Gallaghers cross vs Brighton, 0 goals vs Arsenal and now 0 goals vs City.

6 games, 2 goals from outfield play. Few chances created in most cases and, when they are, our forwards mess them up for the majority of cases.

Our attack was bloody awful before Potter came along.

That's why i don't understand why we replaced Tuchel with a manager who's team had the 17th worst attack in the league last season. We now have that manager, and the same players who couldn't score last season, plus some new players who also can't score, that all adds up to what Potter said after the Brighton game, PAIN.

There were positive Potter says and a step forward for us.

https://youtu.be/XLapuPjZ-Do

Now you see how why i have set my expectations at a level where I know Chelsea cannot affect to mood for the rest on this season. 

Edited November 10, 20223 yr by El regreso