3 minutes ago, coco said:

So what if you're not convinced? It's irrelevant, I'm not convinced, no one is convinced.

 

 

Didn't you just open a new poll over a week ago and most people voted for him to stay? I think it's fair to say there are still people who are convinced he can be the right man for the job and he just needs time. 
 

6 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I agree.

I do think he's 100% right about Tottenham in what he's saying, but he never takes responsibility either. 

He said in the summer after winning the league he lacks depth and he needs more players, he got a lot of players added to the ranks, then he said something like we have too many players what we needed was 2-3 world-class ones so it didn't mess with the transition. 

It's no coincidence that he's always having these form of meltdowns at every club he manages really. Tottenham was always going to end in disaster. 

And he's had to resort to going to Spurs because of his previous behaviour, only has himself to blame.

The only reason we didn't see this type of conference weekly in the second season here is because his grasp of English wasn't at an expressive level emotionally at that point, thankfully.

2 hours ago, abister1 said:

Well just so you know when us proper Chelsea fans, the die hard ones, the ones that have been here when we were sh*t, were you? When we gather round with our mates in the pub we like to be given pats on the back as the booze flows whilst the virtues of our club as a proper stable club that gives managers backing is extolled. 

Besides we have won everything there is to win under the sun in modern football with the last ownership anyway, let's get back to more important things like being a steady and stable club. By the way the team is improving, before our game we were 11th we are 10th now and will probably improve and finish the season in 8th or 9th. 

Spare me the 'where were you when we were sh*t' routine, it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Whether you've been following the club for the last fifty years or became a fan two minutes ago, one thing is certain for anyone, you want your team to succeed.

Nothing is more important than winning. What exactly is stable and steady club, in your opinion? Having the same manager for a long period of time? But that only makes sense if he's the right person for the job. What's the point in persevering with mediocrity? What point are we trying to prove here? 

I struggle to see the improvement, either. Given the quality he's got at his disposal, Potter's been massively underachieving. I bet Boehly and Co had a different plan in mind when they spent a fortune on new players and a new personnel than moving from 11th to 10th place with more than two thirds of the season already gone or finishing 8th or 9th, as you put it. 

He should be doing much much better than he is, you don't have to be in  the Potter in or out camp to see that.

I'm convinced we can't give up yet on him, not without looking like complete twats.

If Kepa (and KK) does his job we win our fourth on the trot, i can't blame Potter for Kepa's failings.

6 minutes ago, coco said:

I'm convinced we can't give up yet on him, not without looking like complete twats.

I think it's a bit late for that. We've been doing that over the last twenty years or so while being the most successful English club in that time period.

I'd rather look classless and win than lose while looking honourably.

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2 minutes ago, coco said:

I'm convinced we can't give up yet on him, not without looking like complete twats.

If Kepa (and KK) does his job we win our fourth on the trot, i can't blame Potter for Kepa's failings.

And if Mendy wasn't playing like a complete bell early in the season Tuchel might not have lost half the games he lost. It's shudda wudda cudda. Kepa has talent but I don't think he'll ever be a top keeper. The team set up reasonably well and we are definitely playing better now, but then we set ourselves up to not win with silly ultra-defensive substitutions, top that off with the horrible set-piece defending we have going on lately. 

Of course the coach can take the blame. 

Just now, abramovich said:

I think it's a bit late for that. We've been doing that over the last twenty years or so while being one of the most successful English club in that time period.

I'd rather look classless and win than lose while looking honourably.

Sacking Tuchel was classless, look where that got us.

Boehly should come out and Tells us f**king clueless fans, what he can see we are obviously blind to,.

We looked really good last weekend, Cucu and Chilly were holding that left side, K2K looked good behind them two, Enzo and Kova bossed midfield, and Mudryk looked like he was starting to show..

So against ‘sh*thouse’ Everton thanks @Munkworth, Chilly back to LB, and Pulisic in from the start ?????…why, what a clusterf**k of a manager, I sort of just gave up and watched me Oirish boys GS…come on Potter or the chains of Azkaban beckon…..

3 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Of course.

Only thing we have achieved with Potter so far is that we won't partake in the Champions League next season. And if he's given next season as well I think very few are confident we'll manage to qualify next season either.

 

If we get your choice of next manager we won't be participating in it even if we qualify by name.

25 minutes ago, coco said:

I'm convinced we can't give up yet on him, not without looking like complete twats.

If Kepa (and KK) does his job we win our fourth on the trot, i can't blame Potter for Kepa's failings.

This goes well beyond Koulibaly and Kepa making individual errors. It's about forfeiting control of the game and inviting needless pressure with 30 minutes remaining. 

When you bring on a scrappy player like Gallagher, you get scrappy football. Chilwell summed it up perfectly. "The game got away from us and got srappy." We went from total and complete control, pinning their back line and likely to score more, to forfeiting that in favor of an extra man in midfield who lost the ball more times than he retained it. This is the 3rd time Potter's done this and the 3rd time we made things more difficult.  Got lucky against Leeds, we were a Dewsbury-Hall missing a sitter away from dropping points against Leicester, and now last night. Three horrible sides. 

When our rivals score, they don't stop. They continue to do so. Again, how am I meant to believe we can challenge City under Potter when we are shutting up shop against the worst sides in the league, at home, in the 60th minute mark? Please tell me because I haven't a clue. 

Honestly disgusting. 

 

26 minutes ago, coco said:

I'm convinced we can't give up yet on him, not without looking like complete twats.

If Kepa (and KK) does his job we win our fourth on the trot, i can't blame Potter for Kepa's failings.

Yes, but he quite unnecessearily gives Everton the momentum with those ultra defensive and weird substitutions. We didnt have a single counter attacking threat on, which invites Everton unto us. Same thing happened vs Leeds, which we got away with at the time. For what its worth, I think his plan A quite often works allright as we tend to start well. But when he starts tweaking during the game we almost always get worse - and thats a huge red flag to me. 
Im still hoping he can be a good manager for us, but honestly he hasn’t shown anything - nothing - that makes me believe he will thus far

 

50 minutes ago, coco said:

Sacking Tuchel was classless, look where that got us.

It got us where we are. We don't know yet and maybe we never will why TT was sacked.

1 hour ago, coco said:

Sacking Tuchel was classless, look where that got us.

It's not as much as sacking Tuchel as replacing him with Potter that got us where we're at, to be fair. 

And I was shocked and upset at Tuchel's sacking,by the way.

Bit of a counter to all this "why did we go defensive" (that I don't necessarily believe)

Maybe it's because the result against Everton doesn't matter. It's all practice for Madrid. 

If we're 2-1 up against Madrid, we are going to bring on Gallagher, we are going to want to make it scrappy. We aren't going to be controlling the game and going for a third. 

So perhaps the thinking is let's put ourselves in that mindset and get ready for it. 

Everything we do now is practice for Madrid. Every game has to be about playing against Madrid.

And the rotation is natural, he wants to get a look at Pulisic, he can't completely put Badiashille in the cold. It's a lot less than he was doing 6 weeks ago. I could probably name our strongest XI. 

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1 hour ago, Ballack & Blu said:

thanks @Munkworth

You’re welcome. 

22 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Bit of a counter to all this "why did we go defensive" (that I don't necessarily believe)

Maybe it's because the result against Everton doesn't matter. It's all practice for Madrid. 

If we're 2-1 up against Madrid, we are going to bring on Gallagher, we are going to want to make it scrappy. We aren't going to be controlling the game and going for a third. 

So perhaps the thinking is let's put ourselves in that mindset and get ready for it. 

Everything we do now is practice for Madrid. Every game has to be about playing against Madrid.

And the rotation is natural, he wants to get a look at Pulisic, he can't completely put Badiashille in the cold. It's a lot less than he was doing 6 weeks ago. I could probably name our strongest XI. 

Necessarily ?  🙂 

30 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Bit of a counter to all this "why did we go defensive" (that I don't necessarily believe)

Maybe it's because the result against Everton doesn't matter. It's all practice for Madrid. 

If we're 2-1 up against Madrid, we are going to bring on Gallagher, we are going to want to make it scrappy. We aren't going to be controlling the game and going for a third. 

So perhaps the thinking is let's put ourselves in that mindset and get ready for it. 

Everything we do now is practice for Madrid. Every game has to be about playing against Madrid.

And the rotation is natural, he wants to get a look at Pulisic, he can't completely put Badiashille in the cold. It's a lot less than he was doing 6 weeks ago. I could probably name our strongest XI. 

I'm sure there's a better way to prepare for Madrid than actively throwing our league games. 

Tuchel managed 2 wins 1 draw and 1 loss in 4 games against Real, whilst also finishing top 4 twice, and not getting 300m worth of new players

2 hours ago, coco said:

I'm convinced we can't give up yet on him, not without looking like complete twats.

If Kepa (and KK) does his job we win our fourth on the trot, i can't blame Potter for Kepa's failings.

What side of defence does kk play on? What side did he lose the ball on? Who was he covering for ? What was he left exposed. 
 

So simplistic to blame that on individual errors. The subs were the problem who takes off their best CB with 5 minutes to go? Destroys the midfield balance? 
 

He was more concerned with giving players minutes to keep everyone happy and thinking he’s a good PE teacher than seeing out the game. 

36 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Bit of a counter to all this "why did we go defensive" (that I don't necessarily believe)

Maybe it's because the result against Everton doesn't matter. It's all practice for Madrid. 

If we're 2-1 up against Madrid, we are going to bring on Gallagher, we are going to want to make it scrappy. We aren't going to be controlling the game and going for a third. 

So perhaps the thinking is let's put ourselves in that mindset and get ready for it. 

Everything we do now is practice for Madrid. Every game has to be about playing against Madrid.

And the rotation is natural, he wants to get a look at Pulisic, he can't completely put Badiashille in the cold. It's a lot less than he was doing 6 weeks ago. I could probably name our strongest XI. 

If he tripped and slid on dog sh*t you would say he practicing tackling drills, what nonsense honestly. 

45 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Bit of a counter to all this "why did we go defensive" (that I don't necessarily believe)

Maybe it's because the result against Everton doesn't matter. It's all practice for Madrid. 

If we're 2-1 up against Madrid, we are going to bring on Gallagher, we are going to want to make it scrappy. We aren't going to be controlling the game and going for a third. 

So perhaps the thinking is let's put ourselves in that mindset and get ready for it. 

Everything we do now is practice for Madrid. Every game has to be about playing against Madrid.

And the rotation is natural, he wants to get a look at Pulisic, he can't completely put Badiashille in the cold. It's a lot less than he was doing 6 weeks ago. I could probably name our strongest XI. 

You know what, I hadn't considered that. Maybe all these losses under Potter were actually one big tactical ploy to prepare us for Real Madrid in April. What an absolute genius. 

Potter's 4d chess must have Ancelotti trembling with fear. 

2 basic errors accounted for their goals. But if Potter hadn't conceded control to them via stupidly defensive subs, then neither player would have probably found themselves in those extra pressure positions.

I think it is criminal to cede control when you're only 1 goal up. Pulisic and Felix i thought had pretty good games, That's the best we've seen from Pulisic for some time. Whilst both of them were on the pitch Everton were bricking it, and didn't attack all out for fear of counter attacks. Their presence in our half was nearly non existent, until the sub fiasco.  

One of their best corner threats Tarkowski, never came forward for fear of Felix.

I thought we played reasonably well, and players were starting to show some partnerships building. But with 1 goal Potter thinks with a small team mentality "we must hang on". Instead of thinking like a winner, "they're down now lets get our foot on their throat and finish them off."

With the talent we have at our disposal, 3 or 4 goals SHOULD be the minimum expected. Lower teams should not be thinking we can get back into this, they should be thinking how do we minimise the embarrassment. We used to call that playing for the paper.

Subs should come on to improve things if it's not working out. Or to rest and protect players AFTER the result is ensured. I could understand the Fofana sub, as having been down with cramp, and the time he'd been out injured, it was sensible to be cautious. Or if the match is won, give lesser squad players a taste of the action. BUT ONLY when the match is in the bag.

Potter is a small team manager, this game proved it. I thought perhaps he'd turned the corner after the recent matches, but he returned to his default for Everton. So i guess we can see he'll never change.

2 hours ago, abramovich said:

Spare me the 'where were you when we were sh*t' routine, it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Whether you've been following the club for the last fifty years or became a fan two minutes ago, one thing is certain for anyone, you want your team to succeed.

Nothing is more important than winning. What exactly is stable and steady club, in your opinion? Having the same manager for a long period of time? But that only makes sense if he's the right person for the job. What's the point in persevering with mediocrity? What point are we trying to prove here? 

I struggle to see the improvement, either. Given the quality he's got at his disposal, Potter's been massively underachieving. I bet Boehly and Co had a different plan in mind when they spent a fortune on new players and a new personnel than moving from 11th to 10th place with more than two thirds of the season already gone or finishing 8th or 9th, as you put it. 

He should be doing much much better than he is, you don't have to be in  the Potter in or out camp to see that.

Well don't you keep speaking sense like this. 

Though I really like it and would say all these exact words as you previously, you need to maybe just look at things from a stability perspective rather than the rational and sensible stand you're taking. 

The stability brigade side have firmly won me over and its not so bad here when you accept mediocrity and embrace stability. 

It's great for your well being. Well for mine at least, with no expectations of grandeur or excellence from my team. 

Yesterday’s result and display has really polarised the forum again. I guess it’s the internet after all :). But some of the negativity is a bit extreme imo. Has to be a middle ground, no?
 

As someone who’s decided to give Potter the benefit of the doubt, yesterday was a real gut punch. I thought, based on the way we started, that if we went a goal up, we might finally have a goal fest. Wasn’t to be, and I agree that this was mostly on Potter. Handing Everton (Everton!) the initiative after being a goal up was really lily-livered. Kepa and KK will make mistakes, but it wouldn’t have mattered had we been a couple of goals ahead, which we might have been had we stuck with the same setup and tactics we started the game with with.

 I think we’re improving. That may well be despite, rather than because of, Potter. If so, that’s not a bad state of affairs, as ultimately only one change needs to be made - not several. But look - we may as well just get behind Potter for the rest of the season, as there’s no chance he’s going before then. If the fans don’t have his back, Chelsea will play worse, not better. 
 

 And @bisright1i think you might want to invoke the @nonotnowjim (apols if it was someone else) “safe space” defence for that post 🙂 .  if we did that vs Everton and it ended up 2-2, why wouldn’t those same tactics result in 2-5 versus Madrid?

Patrick Viera got sacked for having Crystal Palace 12th, after spending 42m

 

Graham Potter is still at Chelsea despite having us 10th, after spending 600m 

 

I don't see any point sacking him before the end of the season but he really is the worst manager we've had this century. 

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

Bit of a counter to all this "why did we go defensive" (that I don't necessarily believe)

Maybe it's because the result against Everton doesn't matter. It's all practice for Madrid. 

If we're 2-1 up against Madrid, we are going to bring on Gallagher, we are going to want to make it scrappy. We aren't going to be controlling the game and going for a third. 

So perhaps the thinking is let's put ourselves in that mindset and get ready for it. 

Everything we do now is practice for Madrid. Every game has to be about playing against Madrid.

And the rotation is natural, he wants to get a look at Pulisic, he can't completely put Badiashille in the cold. It's a lot less than he was doing 6 weeks ago. I could probably name our strongest XI. 

Letting late leads slip for games leading up to Madrid is not good preparation to hold onto a winning position against them.

The best way to go into that Madrid game, is being full of confidence having convincingly beaten teams in the weeks leading up. 

This is premier league football with paying spectators. 

What your describing is training.

It didnt sound like Boehly was too happy with what he saw, so I'm hoping he hasnt given up on maintaining some level of standards in the remaining league games.