2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Probably Lavia the most. Putting so much pressure on a 19 year old who is significantly inferior to Caicedo and isn’t even that great defensively. 
 

If not Lavia I’m looking forward to what significantly inferior alternative this club has in mind. 

But if we were eventually prepared to go to 100m that should get us pretty much any DM in the world. That gets us Tchouameni I reckon if we don't pish around over it.

38 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I agree it's a business but building relationships/networking is also part of the business. Maybe next time they want a player on loan we might just look the other way to Strasbourg.

Todd travelled all across Europe last summer building those relationships/networking/ We ended up with a bunch of flops and spent a fortune.

At least back then Todd could have cited the poor timing of the ownership change and not having the right the personnel in place yet. But even then, it was down to his arrogance. Didn't have to sack everybody from the previous regime so fast and could have sought the advice from the people who knew the business much better.

Now even that excuse isn't working. So what happened to these professional top of the line sporting directors? Stuart and Winstanley, take a bow. 

And they have the gall to talk sh*t about the old regime. For all their sins and flaws, they were winners. People hated Chelsea under Roman, but they also had respect. We're a joke now.

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Why are people getting so upset over something that’s not their money and glad we didn’t spend £110 million on one player no way he’s worth that and no way he will win them trophies and the league.

52 minutes ago, coombsie said:

You couldn't make it up. Hate to say it but I feel that Paul Winstanley and Laurence Stewart still have the "small club" mentality and do not have the calibre to be handling multi million £ deals for Chelsea. So looks like they have lost this one horse race !!!

They can source emerging talent don't forget

 

By paying 2 and 3 times more than anyone else would for players that nobody else has approached.

I do suspect that Vivell is pishing himself at the moment.

5 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Why are people getting so upset over something that’s not their money and glad we didn’t spend £110 million on one player no way he’s worth that and no way he will win them trophies and the league.

Now calculate how much missing out on CL again will cost us.

Because thats a given believe you me.

The Americans have murdered a proper institution of a football club in 12 months. 

Edited August 11, 20232 yr by OriginalS

2 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Why are people getting so upset over something that’s not their money and glad we didn’t spend £110 million on one player no way he’s worth that and no way he will win them trophies and the league.

It's just frustrating. It's not like we saving money. 

Clearly there cant be much faith in Ugochukwu to play this season, and if we are targeting Caicedo/Lavia, and have just bought Adams, what is Ugochukwu's long term prospects? 

3 defensive midfielders ahead of him, arguably 4 with Santos, all at a similar age.

That £23m couldve been on Caicedo to get him over the line weeks ago, who is a player the manager clearly wants. 

5 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Why are people getting so upset over something that’s not their money and glad we didn’t spend £110 million on one player no way he’s worth that and no way he will win them trophies and the league.

So why are you glad we didn't spend that money on Caicedo if it's not your money? You should be indifferent.

Whether Caicedo helps Pool win trophies or not is irrelevant. He was the player we desperately needed and we failed to get him. 

8 minutes ago, abramovich said:

So why are you glad we didn't spend that money on Caicedo if it's not your money? You should be indifferent.

Whether Caicedo helps Pool win trophies or not is irrelevant. He was the player we desperately needed and we failed to get him. 

Because the long term financial health of the club is better than splashing £110 million on one player. Can he win you matches I don’t believe so. 
it’s like we missed out on Halaaand , Mbappe or prime Messi/Ronaldo.

Trust the f**king club, how many massive signings have worked out for us?

Let him go Liverpool it’s not the end of our project it’s just the start.

Just don’t deal with Brighton anymore!!

 

What if we spend £110 on one player and we missed CL then what? 

Edited August 11, 20232 yr by El regreso

1 minute ago, OriginalS said:

Pool: Mac Caicedo Szbo

Us: Adams Santos Enzo 

Proper disgrace. Mid table midfield and no Lavia wouldn't change sh*t.

Poch must be fuming, trust the owners/directors 🤣 Having a laugh.

Nah. That’s just plain wrong. Pool have bought an entire midfield, yes. they’ve also chosen to spend more than £215m on them. To summarize, that’s 2xDeclan Rice.

However, if these players had come in at Chelsea just a year ago you would have probably said the same thing; mid table midfield. MacA/Caicedo have both developed massively over the past year - but a lot of that is due to Brighton, given their general function of the club and their tactical approach and consistency. Are they world class players right now? Not sure. 

That being said, I’m sad to see us missing out on Caicedo - could have been a class partner for Enzo IMO. Still, at that price… no.

Liverpool have bought him for £110m? The same Liverpool who paid £90m for Darwin Nunez? 😄

Guess we'll have to make do with Brazil international Andrey Santos in defensive midfield for now.

Jesus Christ this thread is a riot reading how we think at 3am. 

No one wanted us to bid 100m in July. Now suddenly the board should be sacked 

The guy ain't worth 110m. It's an incredibly high risk for Liverpool. If they hadn't come in, we'd have landed him at 90. 

We move on. If we sign Lavia, or Tchoumani then we have a midfield that is capable of winning things. 

1 hour ago, Nick05 said:

I am just waiting to see if caicedo is truly the player everyone thinks he is. Don't remember a brighton player succeeding outside that club. Pool have basically bought their midfield and want to build around it.

Ben White and Dan Burn are both starters in top 4 teams. Trossard went to Arsenal in January and produced one goal and 10 assists in 930 minutes of game time. Yves Bissouma, after a season of injuries and Antonio Conte, has looked Spurs best player in the pre-season.

1 hour ago, JM7 said:

I know we didn’t match Brighton’s valuation but it feels like Brighton continue to screw us at every opportunity. Goodwill only appears to be on our side. 
 

We should go and buy Kudas to annoy them. 

1. Its not about "goodwill".
2. If it is somehow about Todd Boehly & co being into "goodwill", stop it - this is the Premier League, not a pub league.

58 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Predictably there is a meltdown on here and socials about this.

Personally I am happy we have not overpaid significantly for the player. 

The worst thing about this are reports that we went in last min to up our offer to £100m. If we were willing to pay that, then we should have stumped up earlier on - but i am glad we didn't.

How many ecuadorean world beaters are there in football? Not many. Whilst caicedo is a decent enough footballer - I don't see the hype, and there are many other decent enough players to go around.

If Chelsea learn a lesson from this, and if fans learn a lesson from this - then it will all be worth it.

Lesson for club - don't deal with brighton, and don't cock around with haggling when the asking price is something we are willing to (eventually) go to. Just get business done.

Lesson for fans - ffs people, don't believe all the hype on social media. Many on here hanging on the words of youtubers like Younes who have been saying it's a "done deal" and liverpool bid is bluff. These people know nothing so stop gobbling up the twitter bs they regurgitate!

What relevancy does that have? Is that why you sold us Alexis Mac Allisters replacement - Billy Gilmour - for £10m? "He's Scottish, must be sh*t".

39 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Liverpool betting their future on the midfield that finished 6th last season. 

I'd rather have players that really want to be here as well.

If Caicedo really wants Chelsea then he'll turn down the move to Liverpool. 

No one really wants to be with you or anyone, except maybe Barca, Real or City. Everyone is chasing the money and Caicedo and 99% of all footballers won't give a sh*t exactly what club that increases their wages five or tenfold.

All that said, will be interesting to see who you will sign now instead, and I look forward to next summer and the battle for Billy Gilmour.

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

Jesus Christ this thread is a riot reading how we think at 3am. 

No one wanted us to bid 100m in July. Now suddenly the board should be sacked 

The guy ain't worth 110m. It's an incredibly high risk for Liverpool. If they hadn't come in, we'd have landed him at 90. 

We move on. If we sign Lavia, or Tchoumani then we have a midfield that is capable of winning things. 

Exactly this £110 on one player is massive gamble no matter how good he was for Brighton 

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

Jesus Christ this thread is a riot reading how we think at 3am. 

No one wanted us to bid 100m in July. Now suddenly the board should be sacked 

The guy ain't worth 110m. It's an incredibly high risk for Liverpool. If they hadn't come in, we'd have landed him at 90. 

We move on. If we sign Lavia, or Tchoumani then we have a midfield that is capable of winning things. 

Yes, yes and yes. Spot on!

15 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Now calculate how much missing out on CL again will cost us.

Because thats a given believe you me.

The Americans have murdered a proper institution of a football club in 12 months. 

And Caicedo would have guaranteed CL?

I thought we had one of the best midfielders in the world last year. Paid a PL record for him.

10 minutes ago, El regreso said:

What if we spend £110 on one player and we missed CL then what? 

To be fair, that's exactly what we did last season with Enzo Fernandez!

Enzo Fernandez is a player that you pay whatever you can afford to get. Caicedo is a wonderful player, will be a star for Liverpool but he is not that player for us. 

If we seriously have £100m to spend on a DM, and Tchouameni is seriously available, well there is one other player who is worth paying whatever we can afford to get. We were fools to miss out him the first time with Fabregas practically begging the club to sign him from Monaco for two years before Real.

Edited August 11, 20232 yr by SydneyChelsea

10 minutes ago, Hanzen said:

Nah. That’s just plain wrong. Pool have bought an entire midfield, yes. they’ve also chosen to spend more than £215m on them. To summarize, that’s 2xDeclan Rice.

However, if these players had come in at Chelsea just a year ago you would have probably said the same thing; mid table midfield. MacA/Caicedo have both developed massively over the past year - but a lot of that is due to Brighton, given their general function of the club and their tactical approach and consistency. Are they world class players right now? Not sure. 

That being said, I’m sad to see us missing out on Caicedo - could have been a class partner for Enzo IMO. Still, at that price… no.

Proof will be in the pudding won't it. We can have another look at this in December but our midfield is a disgrace and it will continue to be even if we sign Lavia who's no more than average and secondly not the kind of player we need.

Adams, Lavia, Santos, Enzo.

I've seen relegated teams with stronger midfields. Adams and Lavia were relegated just months ago mind.

Poch must be fuming. We chased Ugarte and Caicedo for months for a reason...

Edited August 11, 20232 yr by OriginalS

4 hours ago, KokeFran96 said:

I hope we keep Santos. I won't mind seeing him in the pivot with Enzo.  We will be fine . 

Of course we will, we are the Chelsea and we are the best, we are the Chelsea and fuk all the rest

8 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Because the long term financial health of the club is better than splashing £110 million on one player. Can he win you matches I don’t believe so. 
it’s like we missed out on Halaaand , Mbappe or prime Messi/Ronaldo.

Trust the f**king club, how many massive signings have worked out for us?

Let him go Liverpool it’s not the end of our project it’s just the start.

Just don’t deal with Brighton anymore!!

 

What if we spend £110 on one player and we missed CL then what? 

You've just said it's not your money, so why everyone is so upset and now you're concerned about the long term financial health of the club? I'm just trying to find logic. Either it should matter to an average fan or it shouldn't.

And we have made a 100m bid at the last moment only to be outbid by Liverpool that offered 10m more. So paying 10 million extra is going to ruin our finances now? Haven't we just  spent a sh*tload of money on a bunch of youngsters from Brazil, France etc only to loan them out to Strasbourg?  

This was the most important transfer of this window and we f**ked up. The rest is just excuses.

 

1 minute ago, abramovich said:

 

This was the most important transfer of this window and we f**ked up. The rest is just excuses.

 

Was it really? During this whole period I never saw Caicedo as a player that is worth more than 60m, we apparently offered 80m first and then 100m and both got rejected.

I couldn't care less about this transfer target as it got overblown and Liverpool took the bait and massively overpaid. Our problem has been our attack, the midfield with Enzo alone is already decent.

This is exactly what Brighton wanted the only winners here are Brighton which pulled Liverpool pants down!!

Make no mistake about it, we f**ked this one. It doesn't matter that we don't think he is worth 100m, that is the price the club were (reluctantly) going to pay. If they had paid it earlier, he would already be a Chelsea player by now. We spent the entire summer wasting time, and we've paid for it. We've had done to us what we have done to so many clubs in the past 20 years. We've changed for the worse since the change of ownership, there is no point denying it at this point, it's just constant bad news following this club since they came in.

If we sign Lavia and Adams then this midfield of ours is awful. You can forget about top 4 or even top 6, we'll struggle to make top 10.

Edited August 11, 20232 yr by Scott Harris

35 minutes ago, abramovich said:

Todd travelled all across Europe last summer building those relationships/networking/ We ended up with a bunch of flops and spent a fortune.

At least back then Todd could have cited the poor timing of the ownership change and not having the right the personnel in place yet. But even then, it was down to his arrogance. Didn't have to sack everybody from the previous regime so fast and could have sought the advice from the people who knew the business much better.

Now even that excuse isn't working. So what happened to these professional top of the line sporting directors? Stuart and Winstanley, take a bow. 

And they have the gall to talk sh*t about the old regime. For all their sins and flaws, they were winners. People hated Chelsea under Roman, but they also had respect. We're a joke now.

People complained about Todd's overspending last summer, Stuart and Winstanley have been more conservative this summer and did the same thing Marina would have done had it been the old regime so not sure what the difference is? I highly doubt Marina would have spent 100mil at the first bid or matched Liverpool's 110. Brighton are the ones that did us dirty I'm not going to put any blame on the board.