5 hours ago, Argo said:

Problem is, how often do players with his level of erratic decision making do such a u turn?

Lennon was only 22 once, as was Adama, as was SWP, as was Moses and they all had the exact same problems in their prime.

That being said if I had to make a decision about selling him this year then bar a stupid offer we'd likely not get again I'd be inclined to say no as he does offer a bit of variety/choas when needed but I would pleasantly surprised if he gets that much better than he currently is.

As harsh as it might sound, I think you're right. I can't really think of any winger/wide forward for a top club who was better at 25 than they were at 22 with maybe the exception of Mohamed Salah. Almost every single player in that position is a known quantity by 22.

Oddly I think Madueke's limitations may actually suit Maresca's intention. If Maresca is intending to play slower, ball-dominant tactics then Madueke is well-suited because he has one job and that's to beat his man off the dribble in a 1-v-1 situation. Madueke's poor decision making mostly manifests on the counter-attack, or defensively in an aggresively pressing team.

9 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

As harsh as it might sound, I think you're right. I can't really think of any winger/wide forward for a top club who was better at 25 than they were at 22 with maybe the exception of Mohamed Salah. Almost every single player in that position is a known quantity by 22.

Oddly I think Madueke's limitations may actually suit Maresca's intention. If Maresca is intending to play slower, ball-dominant tactics then Madueke is well-suited because he has one job and that's to beat his man off the dribble in a 1-v-1 situation. Madueke's poor decision making mostly manifests on the counter-attack, or defensively in an aggresively pressing team.

Not sure about that. It manifests the closer to goal he gets. His biggest strength is finding space around the edge of the box and unleashing his left foot. A poor man's Mahrez, if you will.

interesting if true,

Chelsea have set an asking price of £60m for any clubs interested in signing 22-year-old English winger Noni Madueke. (Athletic - subscription required)

Is this because the Gallagher deal has stalled or does Noni want out?

 

 

7 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

interesting if true,

Chelsea have set an asking price of £60m for any clubs interested in signing 22-year-old English winger Noni Madueke. (Athletic - subscription required)

Is this because the Gallagher deal has stalled or does Noni want out?

 

 

 

I'd say neither/either/both/etc.

That's a good price imho, even if we didn't need to sell him or he wants to go. But 60m sounds good. 

I hope we can put a 60m price tag on mudryk and he goes too...I know it would be a loss but I doubt anyone would rate him that high either, but would help reduce our stupid numbers.

Mudryk might need a loan can't see anyone paying decent money for him.

36 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

Mudryk might need a loan can't see anyone paying decent money for him.

Agreed, unless he shines this season he needs a really well thought out loan. It's so important that they choose his loan very carefully. He's not really "that" young anymore.

Needs to be in a league where someone like him could shine. A slowish league, and/or in a team with a counter-attacking style maybe...not sure where else he shines but we all know he has speeeeed!

16 hours ago, Argo said:

Problem is, how often do players with his level of erratic decision making do such a u turn?

Lennon was only 22 once, as was Adama, as was SWP, as was Moses and they all had the exact same problems in their prime.

That being said if I had to make a decision about selling him this year then bar a stupid offer we'd likely not get again I'd be inclined to say no as he does offer a bit of variety/choas when needed but I would pleasantly surprised if he gets that much better than he currently is.

That is a fair point, but as you mentioned he brings something different and we have made enough sales as it is this season. I think selling him for £35m is low. I don't think he has been given a consistent run in the team to showcase his ability. He also has not had the chance to feature regularly with Nkunku who improves the players around him. I think if he constantly plays with top players, it will up his game. I know he is erratic but the games he has looked good, he really has looked good, hence why I think he deserves the chance to stay in the squad. Had much more convincing games than Mudryk for instance.

2 minutes ago, STATS said:

That is a fair point, but as you mentioned he brings something different and we have made enough sales as it is this season. 

I disagree with this bud. We have so many yet to sell/loan or hide still to go. Lol

1 minute ago, Simplymo said:

I disagree with this bud. We have so many yet to sell/loan or hide still to go. Lol

Yes. To clarify I means there are ones who clearly aren't part of the squad. Madueke defo has a role to play on the right wing.

60m is probably a fair price to let him go for. Doubled our money on him and realistically Palmer starts every game at RW when fit and also have Neto who can fill in there when needed. 

For a team like Villa or Newcastle i think it'd be a great signing for them and for him. 

I think Mudryk is gonna be an £80 million pound superstar for us this season.

 

5 hours ago, just said:

I think Mudryk is gonna be an £80 million pound superstar for us this season.

 

Player of the season then.. 😉

13 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

60m is probably a fair price to let him go for. Doubled our money on him and realistically Palmer starts every game at RW when fit and also have Neto who can fill in there when needed. 

For a team like Villa or Newcastle i think it'd be a great signing for them and for him. 

That's two clubs that are under the big pressure of the PSR rules and will manage their resources very carefully.

Newcastle have opened up some space with their outgoings and the Adidas deal, but still can't go on a spending spree. They are linked with a big move for Guehi and it's hard to think they will go for another big one in this transfer window. 

Theoretically, they can do it w/o selling anyone this summer, but they will only stall on the matter until June next year when they will have to balance the books again and if they are out of CL places then they are left with no other choice then to sell one of their star players (Bruno Guimaraes?!). This for only to balance the books. If they want to spend even more, they will have to sell another one (Isak?!). Or they could do it by selling squad players, just like they did with Minteh, but they will have to be lucky to collect over 100M from the sales of Almiron, Barnes, Willock, Longstaff etc. I mean they can do it, but that leaves a thin squad and those spots would have to be filled with new arrivals as well, so it would be stupid to do it, like spinning in a circle.

Villa is probably out of discussion because unlike Newcastle who have balanced the books for the moment, they are still around 50M under the line and will now most likely look for freebies like Joe Gomez. 

Villa most definitely will not be in the CL for the 2025/26 season and they already look at June 2025 as a bit of a nightmare period as they will have no choice but to sell at least two big players and some other important ones.

Well, Madueke definitely does NOT want to leave judging by that goal celebration.

Depends what Todd wants really,  then Enzo has to fall in line and say the player doesn't suit the system he wants to play 

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46 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Well, Madueke definitely does NOT want to leave judging by that goal celebration.

Depends what Todd wants really,  then Enzo has to fall in line and say the player doesn't suit the system he wants to play 

I know we now have Felix and Neto but we would be foolish to offload Madueke at this point. Especially given that we are clearly selling Sterling. I would send Mudryk on loan and keep Madueke. 

Reading Enzo’s post match interview, saying he will play more if he is more consistent in training every day, and if he is, he will get more minutes. Maybe Noni doesn’t apply himself? 
 

It’s yet another callout, but is correct then fair enough. I kinda like the honesty. At least Madueke will know where he stands. 

2 minutes ago, SimonH said:

Reading Enzo’s post match interview, saying he will play more if he is more consistent in training every day, and if he is, he will get more minutes. Maybe Noni doesn’t apply himself? 
 

It’s yet another callout, but is correct then fair enough. I kinda like the honesty. At least Madueke will know where he stands. 

It’s not the first time we’ve heard a comment like that with Noni (think Poch said similar). Very talented - his ceiling is high if he really put in the work. 

I hope he hands around as most direct player we have. 

8 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

It’s not the first time we’ve heard a comment like that with Noni (think Poch said similar). Very talented - his ceiling is high if he really put in the work. 

I hope he hands around as most direct player we have. 

It annoys me when he puts his head down in games and acts all high and mighty. 

His ego needs dropping down a notch or two and actually fight for the shirt. 

If two coaches have stated he needs an attitude adjustment in training then I hope he doesn't get rewarded with starting a game. He needs to earn it. It will make him a better player.

Always been a great impact sub but questions still remain when he starts. Still credit when due that goal was superb, if others had his shooting we would be better off in the long run. 

Definitely looking like our most in-form attacker. Sounds like he's lazy in training. He's also done the "forgotten man" celebration twice now. Big ego. Needs to put the work in to start games. 

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If we are honestly considering selling Madueke, whilst keeping some of the other dross, than that tells you all you need to know about how clueless the people running the club are.

He MUST stay and he needs to play more.

11 minutes ago, Hessleboink said:

Definitely looking like our most in-form attacker. Sounds like he's lazy in training. He's also done the "forgotten man" celebration twice now. Big ego. Needs to put the work in to start games. 

He definitely has attitude. Starting with the penalty-taking schemozzle.  

2 hours ago, dermott said:

He definitely has attitude. Starting with the penalty-taking schemozzle.  

That was completely out of order and hopefully somebody took him aside and he has learnt from that. That type of attitude can impact the whole team and Maresca needs to keep on his back about how he needs to follow orders and put the team before himself.  Playground stuff has no place in a premier league team. 

We can only speculate about what is really going on but on the pitch he is definitely one of our more dangerous players. He can make things happen and beat a defender for pace. He also uses both feet. 

The commentator on last nights match said that Madueke was giving the manager a problem with selection. I have to say I think completely the opposite. Noni is helping  make  Maresca's team selection easier by playing better than the other candidates. He's in the  team for me.

We would be mad to offload him.

He really needs to get his focus back.. why are you posting about  wolves irrespective.. have an ego and talk like zlatan when you have that aura not when you barely out of the crib.. I rather like players who keep their head down and keep working for the team..

He should be a starter, nobody makes the runs like he does and nobody can just finish from inside the box like he does.