The one to leave after Neto signed?

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

The one to leave after Neto signed?

Don’t think so unless we get a very good offer. I think this season is mostly about increasing his value. 

Unless he turns into prime Robben he’ll be sold end of the season cause we will have the likes of Estevao and Paez coming in. 

Edited August 11, 20241 yr by Remodez

6 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Don’t think so unless we get a very good offer. I think this season is mostly about increasing his value. 

Unless he turns into prime Robben he’ll be sold end of the season cause we will have the likes of Estevao and Paez coming in. 

It would be great if he did... would be fantastic. fingers crossed. Despite a confusing pre season, I still believe. 

I would rather see Sterling and Mudryk sold before Madueke. 

46 minutes ago, Hessleboink said:

I would rather see Sterling and Mudryk sold before Madueke. 

From what’s now being suggested Sterling  may be off to a Saudi or maybe even Italy the suggestion is circa £20 million fee but Chelsea will probably have to compensate him. His amortisation charge is £9.4 million circa and wages ware said to be £15 million.
 

Let’s say he gets £15 million in settlement So in 24/25 he will cost £24 million so a £20 million fee will see a cost in year but in 25/26&26/27 will see savings of £24 million PA. I can see him on him going. He just doesn’t offer enough.

There is quite an interesting suggestion that Howe at Newcastle wants a RW. and Madueke is the option they are looking at. His current book value is around £20 million so anything north of that would be a profit. Promises so much but just doesn’t seem to be able to know what to do or when to do it when he gets into a decent position.

Mudryk promises so much but delivers little to nothing. If we could cut our losses I would do so.

23 hours ago, axman2526 said:

The one to leave after Neto signed?

Looks like it.

His replacement is a £54m injury prone player . I hope he can stay fit, but his record suggests otherwise

6 hours ago, terraloon said:

From what’s now being suggested Sterling  may be off to a Saudi or maybe even Italy the suggestion is circa £20 million fee but Chelsea will probably have to compensate him. His amortisation charge is £9.4 million circa and wages ware said to be £15 million.
 

Let’s say he gets £15 million in settlement So in 24/25 he will cost £24 million so a £20 million fee will see a cost in year but in 25/26&26/27 will see savings of £24 million PA. I can see him on him going. He just doesn’t offer enough.

There is quite an interesting suggestion that Howe at Newcastle wants a RW. and Madueke is the option they are looking at. His current book value is around £20 million so anything north of that would be a profit. Promises so much but just doesn’t seem to be able to know what to do or when to do it when he gets into a decent position.

Mudryk promises so much but delivers little to nothing. If we could cut our losses I would do so.

If we offload Sterling it will save money on the wage bill long term, but the short term hit would presumably have to be balanced in the current financial year for FFP rules.

I hope we won't consider selling Noni, as I think he has a lot of potential. But even if we do, I doubt we would get a big fee this close to the end of the transfer window. Most clubs will know we have a bloated squad and need to sell.

Will be really irritated if he leaves. Think people forget he is only 22. He showed signs of improvement. He has things to work on, but definitely is capable of doing so and is a really good wildcard to have this season. Selling him to another PL rival will be annoying and will question where is the club's thinking in buying young players to give them a chance but when you see they are not the full package yet, you sell them... just batters belief. Defo should be kept on board this upcoming season.

8 hours ago, forbzy said:

If we offload Sterling it will save money on the wage bill long term, but the short term hit would presumably have to be balanced in the current financial year for FFP rules.

I hope we won't consider selling Noni, as I think he has a lot of potential. But even if we do, I doubt we would get a big fee this close to the end of the transfer window. Most clubs will know we have a bloated squad and need to sell.

The 24/25 calculations won’t have much relevance until the end of the accounting year, 31/6/25. As the guesstimate I used as illustration it would indeed mean their would be a loss but that very much would depend obviously on the fee and just as important any financial settlement he received. 
The realty would be it becomes affordable if there is cash in the pot and of course the state of the PSR/ FFP numbers but the fact that numbers are assessed over a rolling 3 year period may well add a different perspective.

 

4 hours ago, STATS said:

Will be really irritated if he leaves. Think people forget he is only 22. He showed signs of improvement. He has things to work on, but definitely is capable of doing so and is a really good wildcard to have this season. Selling him to another PL rival will be annoying and will question where is the club's thinking in buying young players to give them a chance but when you see they are not the full package yet, you sell them... just batters belief. Defo should be kept on board this upcoming season.

He has shown signs of improvement that said his decision making is still seriously flawed and his defensive awareness isn’t the greatest but a major unknown is what is his thinking. 
 

There were suggestions that he had a meeting / discussion with Poch last season where he stated he wanted more game time so that concern may well still be there. In effect very few clubs will try and “ force “ a player to stay if they say they want out ,

There are suggestions that Almiron is on the way out at Newcastle at he, Noni, is their first choice. 
 

I personally am not convinced either way but a fee north of £30 million would as was once said be  “ An offer we couldn’t refuse”

Edited August 13, 20241 yr by terraloon

Like others have said, it should be Mudryk and Sterling going before Madueke.
 

But the sad reality is Madueke is the only one out of the three we will make a profit on. 

I don't dislike noni and I agree in rgds to the games mudryk should be sold before him and i understand he not mudryk is in demand and will fetch more but after watching him in preseason I really can't stand his attitude.

I hope it's just preseason but he doesn't come across as someone that thinks he's still got a lot to learn. I don't know, maybe it's just preseason or something on his mind. But his attitude towards the game needs improving imho. I don't mind arrogance or a bit of ego but he needs to dial it down because he really ain't all that yet. No end product. Been thinking and maybe it's just the heat but if Newcastle offer a really good price I won't be too upset that he's gone. Maybe we can give them mudryk too for free or on a discount. 2for1 deal.  Lol

Edited August 13, 20241 yr by Simplymo

13 hours ago, STATS said:

Will be really irritated if he leaves. Think people forget he is only 22. He showed signs of improvement. He has things to work on, but definitely is capable of doing so and is a really good wildcard to have this season. Selling him to another PL rival will be annoying and will question where is the club's thinking in buying young players to give them a chance but when you see they are not the full package yet, you sell them... just batters belief. Defo should be kept on board this upcoming season.

Unless Newcastle fail to sign Marc G from Palace, or someone else goes for Noni, I don't think Newcastle can afford the PSR hit from both Marc and Noni.

12 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Unless Newcastle fail to sign Marc G from Palace, or someone else goes for Noni, I don't think Newcastle can afford the PSR hit from both Marc and Noni.

They are selling Gordon to Liverpool who IMO would have been a better signing than both Neto & Felix.

49 minutes ago, ducavis said:

They are selling Gordon to Liverpool who IMO would have been a better signing than both Neto & Felix.

When we were linked with him the majority on here didn't want anything to do with him, they were very wrong. 

9 minutes ago, dkw said:

When we were linked with him the majority on here didn't want anything to do with him, they were very wrong. 

Not me, I very much banged the flash Gordon drum.

On 13/08/2024 at 08:17, terraloon said:

He has shown signs of improvement that said his decision making is still seriously flawed and his defensive awareness isn’t the greatest but a major unknown is what is his thinking. 
 

There were suggestions that he had a meeting / discussion with Poch last season where he stated he wanted more game time so that concern may well still be there. In effect very few clubs will try and “ force “ a player to stay if they say they want out ,

There are suggestions that Almiron is on the way out at Newcastle at he, Noni, is their first choice. 
 

I personally am not convinced either way but a fee north of £30 million would as was once said be  “ An offer we couldn’t refuse”

Madueke is 22. Selling him for that fee or even less than £40m would be poor business from us, considering he is English also and although he is an enigma, has shown promise. If say for instance he was to leave and have a brilliant season at Newcastle, his value could double just like that. Like I made the point about Martinelli, his value would be £70m plus now, when you compared to how much they bought him for. Palmer was sold to us for £45m or so, now in a space of one season, we wouldn't even consider a bid if a team made double or triple that offer now. We have sold a lot of players. Selling Madueke to an English rival especially for anything below £40m is crazy imo. I don't actually want him sold full stop.

On 13/08/2024 at 17:24, axman2526 said:

Unless Newcastle fail to sign Marc G from Palace, or someone else goes for Noni, I don't think Newcastle can afford the PSR hit from both Marc and Noni.

Guehi is a brilliant defender but surprised Newcastle are going out for him. They tried to get Tosin for a free then got Kelly, who can play CB. Burn can play there also but when Botman returns, the usual pairing would be Botman and Schar who are both very good CB. Maybe the injury to Botman is worse than first feared hence they want to get another top CB. But yeah in that case, I hope they pursue Guehi as really don't want us selling Madueke. Not been touted much, but wouldn't be surprised to see Liverpool go for Madueke.

Edited August 15, 20241 yr by STATS

14 minutes ago, STATS said:

Madueke is 22. Selling him for that fee or even less than £40m would be poor business from us, considering he is English also and although he is an enigma, has shown promise. If say for instance he was to leave and have a brilliant season at Newcastle, his value could double just like that. Like I made the point about Martinelli, his value would be £70m plus now, when you compared to how much they bought him for. Palmer was sold to us for £45m or so, now in a space of one season, we wouldn't even consider a bid if a team made double that offer now. We have sold a lot of players. Selling Madueke to an English rival especially for anything below £40m is crazy imo. I don't actually want him sold full stop.

Guehi is a brilliant defender but surprised Newcastle are going out for him. They tried to get Tosin for a free then got Kelly, who can play CB. Burn can play there also but when Botman returns, the usual pairing would be Botman and Schar who are both very good CB. Maybe the injury to Botman is worse than first feared hence they want to get another top CB. But yeah in that case, I hope they pursue Guehi as really don't want us selling Madueke. Not been touted much, but wouldn't be surprised to see Liverpool go for Madueke.

As they say football is all about opinions.

I personally love to see the like of Madueke in full flow going forward but I don’t think he has the technical ability required to make the right choose when he needs to lay the ball off or indeed help constructively when we are out of possession.Madueke isn’t close to the player Martinelli was / is and whilst I acknowledge that I perhaps undervalued him I still think if a decent offer came in I would let him go.

Guehi is a good defender ( sorry not a brilliant one again in my opinion) indeed there are a few very good defenders but other than the odd two or three there simply isn’t the real top drawer CD in my clubs outside of City, Liverpool and Arsenal.

Newcastles PSR numbers based on 22/23 seems to be very close to the limit but they have made a few decent commercial deals so it’s hard to know even with the CL revenue in 23/24 what their 3 year numbers look like.

I suspect your comment about Botmans injury may be the case his wasn’t even a normal ACL it was a double injury and at best he won’t be back till November/ December but as we know even with a fair wind a year out seems to be average and as I say his wasn’t an average injury.

 

We aren't in a position desperate to sell so if Newcastle do want him we need to be rinsing them. 

I think he will be a top player we need to be patient

On 12/08/2024 at 16:31, Hessleboink said:

I would rather see Sterling and Mudryk sold before Madueke. 

Wouldn’t we all but Mudryk still has 5 or 6 years left on his contract which means we’d have to sell him for upwards of £45 million so we don’t lose money on him. No one is giving us anywhere close to that.

Sterlings wages will also be a big stumbling block to getting him moved on.

Getting both out on loan is the only way we get rid I reckon

On 13/08/2024 at 03:58, STATS said:

Will be really irritated if he leaves. Think people forget he is only 22. He showed signs of improvement. He has things to work on, but definitely is capable of doing so and is a really good wildcard to have this season. Selling him to another PL rival will be annoying and will question where is the club's thinking in buying young players to give them a chance but when you see they are not the full package yet, you sell them... just batters belief. Defo should be kept on board this upcoming season.

Problem is, how often do players with his level of erratic decision making do such a u turn?

Lennon was only 22 once, as was Adama, as was SWP, as was Moses and they all had the exact same problems in their prime.

That being said if I had to make a decision about selling him this year then bar a stupid offer we'd likely not get again I'd be inclined to say no as he does offer a bit of variety/choas when needed but I would pleasantly surprised if he gets that much better than he currently is.

If Newcastle give up on Marc G I can see them being able to get both Noni and Trev for a little bit more than what Palace are asking for Marc.

 

Maybe 75mill for both.

Might be in the minority here but I’d happily see Madueke sold.

Seems to always be ‘so close’ to being the final piece but just can’t string it together, poor final ball or wrong decision more often than not.

Bloke seems to have a disgusting attitude as well that you just know if things don’t go to plan will start leaking things from the dressing room and stropping. 

 

 

I just don't see him getting much game time if other better players are fit, and he's not going to get better sitting on the bench. Loan him out to a PL team or sell, I think either one is a good option.

12 hours ago, terraloon said:

As they say football is all about opinions.

I personally love to see the like of Madueke in full flow going forward but I don’t think he has the technical ability required to make the right choose when he needs to lay the ball off or indeed help constructively when we are out of possession.Madueke isn’t close to the player Martinelli was / is and whilst I acknowledge that I perhaps undervalued him I still think if a decent offer came in I would let him go.

Guehi is a good defender ( sorry not a brilliant one again in my opinion) indeed there are a few very good defenders but other than the odd two or three there simply isn’t the real top drawer CD in my clubs outside of City, Liverpool and Arsenal.

Newcastles PSR numbers based on 22/23 seems to be very close to the limit but they have made a few decent commercial deals so it’s hard to know even with the CL revenue in 23/24 what their 3 year numbers look like.

I suspect your comment about Botmans injury may be the case his wasn’t even a normal ACL it was a double injury and at best he won’t be back till November/ December but as we know even with a fair wind a year out seems to be average and as I say his wasn’t an average injury.

 

Opinions you say, 🙂 I dont really rate Martinelli, solid player for sure but never bought into the hype around him, think his speed is his asset, Madueke has an ability to beat a player with a trick which I have to say is far more entertaining. He does have some pace too. Does Matinelli improve our starting 11, probably. tbh, desperately hoping for Mudryk to have a change of fortune, really would like to see him succeed but not sure itll happen. Do wonder how Arteta would have deployed Mudryk had they signed him. 

I do think Guehi is still developing, he would definitely be an improvement and a starter for us. Think he'll just get better and better, would say he should probably be playing champions league. 

League is upon us, with pre season out the way, im oddly optomistic.