9 minutes ago, hawkster said:

Poch sits there waves his arms a bit and huffs and puffs .Jose, Conte and Tuchel would have been into the players and hammered them into performing or they would have been hooked ,get some balls Poch .

Not sure what motivates a young man born in the early 2000's. Yelling or being right up their face is probably not that.

31 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

Been following Chelsea since the times of Porterfield in the early 90’s, and I cant ever remember a Chelsea manager turn these kind of embarrassing results and performances around, - and I dont think Pochettino will be the first. 
Therefore, if I for one second thought Poch was in the top three of our biggest problems, I’d say sack him. However, there’s has been something rotten at the core of the club for a couple of years, which we need to figure out before there’s really any point in discussing the manager. 

- why do we have such an enormous amount of injuries?

- why are we unable to put simple chances away?

- why does Gilchrist feel like a breath of fresh air, just because he actually looks like he cares?

- how have we put ourself in a position where we have become absolutely dependant on a 39 year old centre back - as good as he is playing him in a high line is an issue

- why is it that with seemingly every transfer in and out the club makes, we look worse for it?

- why is losing to a massively understrength mediocre championship side in a semi final fully expected?

- why are we constantly unable to break down a low block?

Potter, Lampard, Tuchel, Poch, Alonso, Emery - whatever, I dont really care anymore. Before these main issues are looked at, it doesn’t really matter to me

Exactly my thoughts too

33 minutes ago, petre ispirescu said:

He is rubbish. Just watch a couple of Bournemouth and Brighton matches to understand what a decent manager can do. They have an identity, are fluid and you can clearly see patterns of play. And on top of that you can clearly see the confidence all those players have. 

The argument that the squad is too young for me is just silly. Young midfielders like Enzo Fernandez, Caicedo and Palmer are 100 times better than all of Bournemouth and Brighton midfielders in their prime. Bar Mitoma, our wingers are way better than Bournemouth and Brighton's. Colwill looked like a rock under De Zerbi, now he is playing left back. 

Yet those two teams plays a brand of football that's a joy to watch compared to ours. Any decent manager with a clear idea of football would do so much more with this squad. Just not Pochettino. He is clueless. The sooner he goes, the better. 

Imagine De Zerbi with a midfield three of Enzo, Caicedo and Palmer and two direct wingers on each side (Nkunku and Madueke). Add a solid centre forward to that and that team would be so great to watch under a good manager. 

Agree with everything. Really we feel the absence of only Nkunku James and Chilwell the rest that are missing are not much better than what we played last night. 

By now i would have thought that we would have a shape at the very least, players especially the attackers would have improved tremendously  yet there is not even one player that has improved under Pochetino.

I definitely sympathise with the Poch in regards to the injuries we have had this season, but there is no way a team with the players we have should be performing the way that we are. He's not improved any player in our team and in some cases he's made them look bad with Colwill, Enzo and Caicedo being the main examples.

How do we think Emery would be doing if Villa had the level of injuries we have had ?

Looking at their squad, they have about 10 players who have featured in 80%+ of their league games, and all of them are 24+ years old

Leon Bailey has been on fire this year ...  but is only finally delivering on his youthful promise at age 26 after several fairly mediocre seasons.

 

A lot of what we are seeing at CFC could simply be a case of "timing". Do we simply need to be patient ?

2 hours ago, dkw said:

 

Absolutely abysmal, stinks of a manager to to show how clever he is.

Yeah I’ve had that feeling for a while. A couple of our managers have had genuinely clever ideas to fix problems, Conte and Tuchel. Poch comes across like he wants to be one of those guys but he isn’t. All sizzle no steak. 

You know it will soon be time for the dreaded owner support message when the mainstream media start mentioning the axe. 
 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/10/mauricio-pochettino-is-making-little-difference-at-chelsea/

45 minutes ago, ozboy said:

You know it will soon be time for the dreaded owner support message when the mainstream media start mentioning the axe. 
 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/01/10/mauricio-pochettino-is-making-little-difference-at-chelsea/

you cant compare Potter and Poch. Potter had a squad of CL winners. Poch has a youth team without leaders.

Serious question time, should the owners decide to sack Poch, what are the next steps? Who do we appoint? If we have to wait to appoint them until the summer, what do we do in the meantime?

14 minutes ago, smileysmiles said:

you cant compare Potter and Poch. Potter had a squad of CL winners. Poch has a youth team without leaders.

And still doing better. 

Christ, I can't believe someone brought up Potter again LOL. He's been available for how long now, and yet no club has even been linked to hiring him. That should be the end of the debate !

10 hours ago, forbzy said:

By the time Potter was sacked we were virtually safe from relegation and had arguably shown a marginal improvement in his last month. We could have given him the rest of the season without much risk. After all the record under Frank's brief tenure was even worse.

From now looking back you're right. We somewhat niavely thought that we were at rock bottom and the only way was up.

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I'm not his biggest fan but he was lost in translation. 

He was making the very boring point that we can't assume we will win, we can't be complacent. 

Obviously the issue is that if a team sits back we can't break them down. Which is on his coaching team. The players are good enough. 

That's one thing I've noticed, his level of English is not as good as I was expecting, in particular the depth of his vocabulary. Often I sense he is grasping for the right word, and comes up with the wrong one, which dilutes, or even changes, the meaning of what he is trying to communicate. 

I wonder if that is an issue in training as well ?

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

How do we think Emery would be doing if Villa had the level of injuries we have had ?

 

How do we think Emery would have done with our level of injuries against a side like Boro who have won 1 in their last 5 home games, had more players missing with injuries than we did, lost more players early with injuries, and he had a team filled with international players? Seriously? 

Poch has no idea what he is doing, every change he makes is detrimental to how we are playing. Games we have lost he has had a squad to pick from that he should have won with. Thats the bottom line.

3 minutes ago, dkw said:

How do we think Emery would have done with our level of injuries against a side like Boro who have won 1 in their last 5 home games, had more players missing with injuries than we did, lost more players early with injuries, and he had a team filled with international players? Seriously? 

Poch has no idea what he is doing, every change he makes is detrimental to how we are playing. Games we have lost he has had a squad to pick from that he should have won with. Thats the bottom line.

People keep using injuries as an excuse, but I see players picked by Poch on a regular basis and they still look like strangers on the pitch. 

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

People keep using injuries as an excuse, but I see players picked by Poch on a regular basis and they still look like strangers on the pitch. 

That's a fair point.  Yesterday was a disaster and we should be beating them easily with our squad.

But look at the season on the whole and what if we drew City or another quality team you'd expect a semi final not Boro?

How can any manager reach Chelsea expectations when his 2 strikers are the Albanian Chris Sutton (sorry Chris you weren't that bad) and a 12 year old smuggled in from Brazil without Poch knowing who we planned to loan but the club had filled all its loan spots because we couldn't shift Lukaku or Ziyech permenantly 

Criticise the manager but he's not our main problem,  the sh*te squad we've assembled is.

16 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

That's one thing I've noticed, his level of English is not as good as I was expecting, in particular the depth of his vocabulary. Often I sense he is grasping for the right word, and comes up with the wrong one, which dilutes, or even changes, the meaning of what he is trying to communicate. 

I wonder if that is an issue in training as well ?

I have often had trouble in reconciling this exact point with the oft made comments that he is a great man manger. How, if no bugger can understand him?

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

I have often had trouble in reconciling this exact point with the oft made comments that he is a great man manger. How, if no bugger can understand him?

Maybe a handshake, a smile, a slap on the back and a lemon goes a long way  ? 🙂 

We've been quite spoilt with the fluency of some of our overseas managers (I'm thinking Mourinho and Tuchel in particular) but we've also had many others who are way worse than Poch LOL. 

It’s not Pochettino. It’s the Board. It’s not Pochettino who decided to go into the season with Broja and Jackson as our two main forwards when Nkunku was seriously injured in preseason. Everything else has followed from that. 

2 hours ago, El regreso said:

And when you replace him and the same thing happens then what?

Until we fix the core of the club no new manager will fix what’s on field.

Everyone is looking at other clubs and saying they got this manager in blah blah blah and look how they are doing, however what’s always missed is that these clubs are FAR BETETR RUN at this moment in time than US.

So you can get Pep, Klopp or whoever is the flavour of the month manager now, it won’t change a damm thing on field as there is a disconnect there.

One of the reasons Arteta was able to bring some stability and respect back to Arsenal was the alignment with the back room and the fact they started to run the club properly again.

I don’t see anyway the wisemen of Todd will give up control of signings and led a manager build HIS team.

Certain fans on here won't ever have the patience required to build a team. 

No manager is going to elevate this team and take them to the next level immediately, it's not happening. And nobody is going to be able to build anything sustainable here with the number of injuries we keep having.

I would love to know who's going to come in and sort this team out exactly, I see a lot of people wanting him sacked, but no replacements. 

12 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

People keep using injuries as an excuse, but I see players picked by Poch on a regular basis and they still look like strangers on the pitch. 

This is a good and important point. Looking at that squad from last night what would dramatically change if all were fit.

• Sanchez - Well everyone is now saying that Petrovic should be number 1 anyway.
• James - Possibly, but Gusto is one of those that generally gets praise for his performances so is James such a massive loss atm in comparison? Not sure
• Fofana - Not seen enough of him anyway. Definitely better that Disasi but no idea if he will ever play for a sustained period.
• Chalobah - Not elite standard but i think better than Disasi, so possibly.
• Chilwell - Yes. Playing Colwill LB doesn't work. Still not yet totally convinced of Colwill at CB even.
• Badiashile - Possibly over Colwill, although still looks too rigid and error prone to me. Its a toss up between him and Colwill, no major upgrade either way really.
• Lavia/Ugochukwu - Wouldn't be getting in ahead of either Caicedo and Enzo anyway currently, regardless.
• Chukwuemeka - Possibly, but he only just started performing in the role whne he got injured. If all were fit would he be a starter ahead of Gallagher or Nkunku, not sure.
• Nkunku - Yes, think he would make a difference just from the cameos we have seen, if he can stay fit.

So it looks to me that Chilwell and Nkunku would definitely improve us and possibly Chalobah or Colwill/Badiashile. Not a lot of difference is it.

Let's remember as well, that if all were fit this clown would probably play Chilwell as LW and Nkunku as ST anyway.

20 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

That's a fair point.  Yesterday was a disaster and we should be beating them easily with our squad.

But look at the season on the whole and what if we drew City or another quality team you'd expect a semi final not Boro?

How can any manager reach Chelsea expectations when his 2 strikers are the Albanian Chris Sutton (sorry Chris you weren't that bad) and a 12 year old smuggled in from Brazil without Poch knowing who we planned to loan but the club had filled all its loan spots because we couldn't shift Lukaku or Ziyech permenantly 

Criticise the manager but he's not our main problem,  the sh*te squad we've assembled is.

What does any of that have to do with our squad (most of which are regulars under Poch and are full blown internationals) looking like strangers 6 months into the season?

Poch has literally be handed a golden apple with this cup draw to be in a fighting chance to win silverware/qualify for Europe, and he's beautifully f**king it up. All on his own too. 

Edited January 10, 20242 yr by Sconnie Blue

48 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

And still doing better. 

Christ, I can't believe someone brought up Potter again LOL. He's been available for how long now, and yet no club has even been linked to hiring him. That should be the end of the debate !

Classic rewriting history, and all this "With potter we saw something" absolute bollocks.

Potter didn't have it easy either but he still had an experienced team that were Champions League winners, he basically inherited a team that Tuchel won 3 trophies with and was finishing in the top 4 consistently. The only players Pochettino has from that team are 3, one of them is 40 and the other two are injured 3/4 of the season. 

43 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

That's one thing I've noticed, his level of English is not as good as I was expecting, in particular the depth of his vocabulary. Often I sense he is grasping for the right word, and comes up with the wrong one, which dilutes, or even changes, the meaning of what he is trying to communicate. 

I wonder if that is an issue in training as well ?

I don't think it's an issue in the day to day. 

I think the issue here is reading the words he says verbally comes across differently than when you listen to him saying them. 

11 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

What does any of that have to do with our squad (most of which are regulars under Poch and are full blown internationals) looking like strangers 6 months into the season?

Poch has literally be handed a golden apple with this cup draw to be in a fighting chance to win silverware/qualify for Europe, and he's beautifully f**king it up. All on his own too. 

Losing to Boro is unacceptable but it isn't about 1 game if we were top of the league and lost a first leg to Boro no one would want Poch gone.

There's pressure because the results have been consistently below Chelsea standard all season but he's working with players that are in most cases significantly below Chelsea standard,  players he didn't choose himself.

It's very hard to build attacking patterns of play without a real striker as a focal point and the club didn't want to go into the season with one so while Poch has made some questionable decisions he's been dealt a bad hand.

16 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Losing to Boro is unacceptable but it isn't about 1 game if we were top of the league and lost a first leg to Boro no one would want Poch gone.

There's pressure because the results have been consistently below Chelsea standard all season but he's working with players that are in most cases significantly below Chelsea standard,  players he didn't choose himself.

It's very hard to build attacking patterns of play without a real striker as a focal point and the club didn't want to go into the season with one so while Poch has made some questionable decisions he's been dealt a bad hand.

Your whataboutism's have gone full blown annoying now.