3 hours ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

Been following Chelsea since the times of Porterfield in the early 90’s, and I cant ever remember a Chelsea manager turn these kind of embarrassing results and performances around, - and I dont think Pochettino will be the first. 
Therefore, if I for one second thought Poch was in the top three of our biggest problems, I’d say sack him. However, there’s has been something rotten at the core of the club for a couple of years, which we need to figure out before there’s really any point in discussing the manager. 

- why do we have such an enormous amount of injuries?

- why are we unable to put simple chances away?

- why does Gilchrist feel like a breath of fresh air, just because he actually looks like he cares?

- how have we put ourself in a position where we have become absolutely dependant on a 39 year old centre back - as good as he is playing him in a high line is an issue

- why is it that with seemingly every transfer in and out the club makes, we look worse for it?

- why is losing to a massively understrength mediocre championship side in a semi final fully expected?

- why are we constantly unable to break down a low block?

Potter, Lampard, Tuchel, Poch, Alonso, Emery - whatever, I dont really care anymore. Before these main issues are looked at, it doesn’t really matter to me

13 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Certain fans on here won't ever have the patience required to build a team. 

No manager is going to elevate this team and take them to the next level immediately, it's not happening. And nobody is going to be able to build anything sustainable here with the number of injuries we keep having.

I would love to know who's going to come in and sort this team out exactly, I see a lot of people wanting him sacked, but no replacements. 

This is the problem as soon as it’s not going well let’s change managers. 

“Change for change sake is not change”

Until fans understand this we will not improve, putting someone else in this mess is a waste.

 

Let Poch settle the team and club, sort out the mess then bring in the manager we know who will win us trophies, don’t waste a talented manager on the second year into the Ted Lasso circus. 🎪  

Also no elite manager will touch us today we will probably get another Graham Potter type, has a good reputation but hasn’t managed a massive club expecting CL and trophies season in season out.

If you want an elite manager top 5 in the world then no chance they will come now it’s far too messy. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

People keep using injuries as an excuse, but I see players picked by Poch on a regular basis and they still look like strangers on the pitch. 

Its a poor excuse, we had less injuries than the championship team last night and yet they had a plan, defensively and offensively, that worked very well, even after losing players during the game to injury. Its utter nonsense to use it as an excuse.

I don't think anyone wants to sack Poch for the sake of sacking him. 

Until there is a proper contingency plan in place, I don't Poch going anywhere. It can always get worse. Last season proved that. 

5 hours ago, Victor90 said:

And do you know who was better than both of them? Tuchel. Miles better. 

He was more successful - for sure. Didnt have us playing in a way that would have been sustainable for the long haul though, and also the most eye bleedingly dull football I have ever had to sit through.

1 minute ago, nonotnowjim said:

He was more successful - for sure. Didnt have us playing in a way that would have been sustainable for the long haul though, and also the most eye bleedingly dull football I have ever had to sit through.

It's also not all sunshine and rainbows over at Bayern either. Proving difficult with the board/players already. 

4 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

He was more successful - for sure. Didnt have us playing in a way that would have been sustainable for the long haul though, and also the most eye bleedingly dull football I have ever had to sit through.

Yeah because Potter ball was on the edge of your seat stuff wasn't it, I loved the 38 goals we scored all season, which we're almost close to now btw!. 

Potter basically inherited Tuchels team, a team that won things and finished in the top 4, I'm not saying he had it easy by any means but you can't compare that situation to now. Pochettino has a team full of inexperienced kids who haven't played together before, that's a massive difference. 

Edited January 10, 20242 yr by Victor90

3 hours ago, El regreso said:

And when you replace him and the same thing happens then what?

Until we fix the core of the club no new manager will fix what’s on field.

Everyone is looking at other clubs and saying they got this manager in blah blah blah and look how they are doing, however what’s always missed is that these clubs are FAR BETETR RUN at this moment in time than US.

So you can get Pep, Klopp or whoever is the flavour of the month manager now, it won’t change a damm thing on field as there is a disconnect there.

One of the reasons Arteta was able to bring some stability and respect back to Arsenal was the alignment with the back room and the fact they started to run the club properly again.

I don’t see anyway the wisemen of Todd will give up control of signings and led a manager build HIS team.

Well, the bit in bold is the bit I disagree with.

- A good manager, should be able to take a collection of players, and make them more than the sum of their parts.

- A good manager, should be able to take a player, and improve them.

- A good manager, should be able to take a player, play to their strengths, in their actual position.

 

I have not seen Poch do any of these things.

We are worse than the sum of our parts, under performing and under achieving.

We have zero players who he has helped improve, with perhaps the exception of Connor.

We have seen game in, game out, Poch playing players out of position. Enzo AtM, Colwill RB, Sterling/Palmer false 9,  Gusto LB, Disasi RB (or anywhere on the pitch).

 

 

I think Poch should be given the rest of the season before the owners make any decision on his future. It is unlikely that any changes right now would make much difference to the rest of our season. In fact, as we saw last season, they may make things much worse.

43 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

It's also not all sunshine and rainbows over at Bayern either. Proving difficult with the board/players already. 

If Bayern hadn't managed to bag Kane for him, I think Tuchel would probably be gone already.

There isn’t anyone better who’s available than Poch to take this under 23 team forward. We knew this team would be up and down so I don’t know why everyone is so frustrated. It was poor last night yes, but are we overly worried? They got lucky. We dominated but were poor and the players panicked. 
 

Look at the bench. The only changes he could make was Mudryk and Broja. Everyone else was kids. We need the injuries to clear up as well. 
 

It’s painful seeing us like this but we’ve just got to be patient. They’ve bought kids and rough diamonds (some are diamonds, others will be rubbish) but we just need to see it out. 

Matt Law's tweet basically says so long as there is a realistic option to qualify for Europe, Poch's job is safe. 

6 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Matt Law's tweet basically says so long as there is a realistic option to qualify for Europe, Poch's job is safe. 

Currently we are within 6 points of Europa League spot and still in both cups. Or course that could change dramatically in the next month. But lets say we get knocked out of both cups and slip further away from European spots in the league, would a change of manager of that point for the last 10 or so league games really change much? I doubt it. For that reason they may as well just let Poch complete the season either way, unless of course they identify a new manager that is immediately available.

No way he is sacked before the window closes, and I don't think he will be until the season is over.

Just accept what is an ot stings less.

The danger in Poch being sacked in isolation is that Boehly Eghbali Stewart & Winstanley would still be present with the misfiring strategy. Better to charge one or two of these people to, in addition to their normal role to sort or assist the manager in finding a goalscoring solution and to be accountable for it - with consequences in the unlikely event that they fail.

We create a huge number of chances every game so a stop gap solution where we win most games 4-3 will suffice in the short term.

 

 

 

Edited January 10, 20242 yr by OneTommyLangley

11 minutes ago, OneTommyLangley said:

The danger in Poch being sacked in isolation is that Boehly Egbalhi Stewart & Winstanley would still be present with the misfiring strategy. Better to charge one or two of these people to, in addition to their normal role to sort or assist the manager in finding a goalscoring solution and to be accountable for it - with consequences in the unlikely event that they fail.

We create a huge number of chances every game so a stop gap solution where we win most games 4-3 will suffice in the short term.

 

 

 

We have been scoring more goals this season at least. But we've also been conceding a lot more. So in the games where we either fail to score, or only manage 1 goal, we have invariably lost.

That being said I think most are in agreement that a more reliable striker would significantly improve the team.

At the end of the day Pochettino has got a lot more wrong than he has right. Is it his fault Palmer missed 3 chances no, it is however his fault we lack creativity regardless of who he puts out. Did the owners give him an average squad yes, but it's his fault for being such a pushover and allowing it. 

Let me get this straight you're given a multi million pound a year contract to oversee and develop "talent" you're told to get "top 4" but really anything above 8th will probably be deemed adequate after the season we had.

As long as the owners remain this club will continue to spiral. Bad squad building, poor sporting directors. A manager who doesn't seem to know how to create an attack. Over paying on average players, signing injury prone players and then wondering why they're never fit.

Like honestly you can't tell me that this isn't deliberate sabotage how can you get so much consistently wrong?! 

I'll tell you how read the post I'm about to write on the Boehly thread...

2 hours ago, Modueke said:

 

Buy one, get one free. Rumour has it they’re still holding hands.

1 hour ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Like honestly you can't tell me that this isn't deliberate sabotage how can you get so much consistently wrong?! 

This!

Like you said a case of owners actually doing everything as opposed to nothing but getting it all wrong.

And echoing your sentiments from the other thread, they just don't know the lay of the land.

They think they do, but obviously do not.

1 hour ago, Munkunku said:

 

Buy one, get one free. Rumour has it they’re still holding hands.

Man I miss these two 🤣🤣 at least we were entertaining on and off the pitch.

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

Man I miss these two 🤣🤣 at least we were entertaining on and off the pitch.

Two successful, passionate managers, maybe we should get them both, one managing the team the other one the transfer, all problems sorted😅 Realistically, we could end up anywhere between 6th and 14th. Nobody has an idea what team will show up prior to game night, it's been like this for more than a season now. Just change the manager won't do much, 6 months time we will be calling the next guy out. As much as I don't like to say it, don't take the CFC too seriously, it's not good for mental health

6 hours ago, just said:

If Bayern hadn't managed to bag Kane for him, I think Tuchel would probably be gone already.

😂😂😂

A lot of fans wish TT back. This board and TT will be a comedy. 

Our problems are coachable.

I feel this malaise of average age excuse/ownership excuse is all a perfect PR storm that only suits Poch.