9 minutes ago, Andy North said:

I worry about Conor's tenure at the club if Poch gets the sack. I think the powers above will just see nett profit and sell him before a new manager comes in. He's our second best player and fundamental to the team. His energy pressures the opposition into mistakes and he's flexible. 

That might all be part of Clearlake's plan this post-season. Offload Poch at the end of the season, then sell the likes of Gallagher and Chalobah while they bring in somebody new. That way they don't have to deal with any complaints from the manager.

6 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Yes, Saka vs cucu = dead. 

You can't play Gallagher on the left because you want somebody in the middle to press. If you allow good team easy build up through the middle, you can just surrender the game. 

The best solution I saw is 

Mudryk - Jackson - Madueke 

Cucu - Conor - Enzo - Caicedo 

Badi - Disasi - Alfie 

It is difficult to implement in just 3 days though especially because you need to teach both Madueke n mudryk to press as 10.

 

 

I get what you say, but I would rather we tried something different than go with something we know doesn’t work. We had Sterling, Casadei and Carney so there were some options for the 10’ and left wing. 

3 hours ago, timetowaste said:

Mate I'm a fan of the player but I'm more a fan of the team, if a manager doesn't rate Mudryk and performs better without him then so be it. 

This is the problem with this team. You can't be ruthless. You basically have player playing outside their level. 

Jackson, a backup/rotational level st player playing as nailed down st. 

Palmer has been freaking impressive but nobody here talk about that this season is his debut in senior season and he is playing as a star man. 

Mudryk n Madueke should be on loan but they are rotational player for is. 

Enzo a spectacular talent, still need to learn how to manage game. and defend as midfielder, if you want him to be a nailed down starter you want to surround him with very experience midfielder to make his game easier. 

If you are ruthless and expect this player to play a the level that you expect, nobody will play. 

 

 

12 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

I get what you say, but I would rather we tried something different than go with something we know doesn’t work. We had Sterling, Casadei and Carney so there were some options for the 10’ and left wing. 

Sterling has been sick otherwise he would have started against city/arse. 

I suspect carney is injured again because after a few 20 minutes cameo, he hasn't gotten a single minute. 

Casedei is a very interesting option and this is where you have to be careful as manager because it is not  all about tactic 

https://www.goal.com/en/news/paul-pogba-left-man-utd-2012-alex-ferguson-heartbroken/ebookglmg2l0zjs15yhu08x4

If you start selecting casedei over mudryk/Madueke, you have to be sure that it pay off. 

 

Edited April 25, 20242 yr by Bob stark

Wish Bob was my boss. Could get away with everything. 

4 hours ago, RMH said:

Let's follow your reasoning.

If Amorim gets here and takes us to 6th and then 4th, he doesn't need leave to manage a more advanced project because in two years time he has advanced this project to top 4 and the players have matured in two seasons. So this part of your reasoning does not follow.

If we stick with Pochettino and stay mid table (if not relegation battle) for 5 years for the sake of stability and because he's a likeable guy (to the board and players, because few fans really like him any more), then what? Most quality players would have gone to more advanced projects (as you put it) because they want to win trophies, even if they like Pochettino, and we are nowhere with the project, which would then be considered to have been a total clusterf**k. It just doesn't make sense.

We could well go sixth and then 4th with Pochettino as well. The team and the coaching staff would have built all that together. Plus it would save us 20-30 odd million (Amorim salary+Pochettino severance). 

So much less injuries, new fitting players to replace unfitting players and this squad under Poch could well be 6th next season which would be good for a young squad. 

I don't see why we should kick out the coach. That would be Roman era move without Roman era squad.

4 hours ago, RMH said:

Let's follow your reasoning.

If Amorim gets here and takes us to 6th and then 4th, he doesn't need leave to manage a more advanced project because in two years time he has advanced this project to top 4 and the players have matured in two seasons. So this part of your reasoning does not follow.

If we stick with Pochettino and stay mid table (if not relegation battle) for 5 years for the sake of stability and because he's a likeable guy (to the board and players, because few fans really like him any more), then what? Most quality players would have gone to more advanced projects (as you put it) because they want to win trophies, even if they like Pochettino, and we are nowhere with the project, which would then be considered to have been a total clusterf**k. It just doesn't make sense.

We could well go sixth and then 4th with Pochettino as well. The team and the coaching staff would have built all that together. Plus it would save us 20-30 odd million (Amorim salary+Pochettino severance). 

So much less injuries, new fitting players to replace unfitting players and this squad under Poch could well be 6th next season which would be good for a young squad. 

I don't see why we should kick out the coach. That would be Roman era move without Roman era squad.

31 minutes ago, evissy said:

I don't see why we should kick out the coach. That would be Roman era move without Roman era squad.

Because its a result driven business? 

33 minutes ago, evissy said:

We could well go sixth and then 4th with Pochettino as well. The team and the coaching staff would have built all that together. Plus it would save us 20-30 odd million (Amorim salary+Pochettino severance). 

So much less injuries, new fitting players to replace unfitting players and this squad under Poch could well be 6th next season which would be good for a young squad. 

I don't see why we should kick out the coach. That would be Roman era move without Roman era squad.

What about this season makes you think we're ever getting near top 4 under Pochettino?

 

9 months and we haven't improved one bit.

Articles about players have threatened a revolt if Poch is sacked and don't care about the general fan opinion to the contrary.

I mean you are rewarded for failure, get time off regardless of results. BBQ, coddled. Nice life.

26 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Articles about players have threatened a revolt if Poch is sacked and don't care about the general fan opinion to the contrary.

I mean you are rewarded for failure, get time off regardless of results. BBQ, coddled. Nice life.

What happens when they revolt - will they play poorly and not give 100% effort?

4 minutes ago, Gordon Bennett said:

What happens when they revolt - will they play poorly and not give 100% effort?

Maybe they consider themselves to have been playing well and have many levels they could drop...

49 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Articles about players have threatened a revolt if Poch is sacked and don't care about the general fan opinion to the contrary.

I mean you are rewarded for failure, get time off regardless of results. BBQ, coddled. Nice life.

That's what happens when you give a fat paycheck and long contracts to players who have achieved f**k all to deserve it. 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Articles about players have threatened a revolt if Poch is sacked and don't care about the general fan opinion to the contrary.

I mean you are rewarded for failure, get time off regardless of results. BBQ, coddled. Nice life.

Where are these can you share them?

3 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Wish Bob was my boss. Could get away with everything. 

Only if you can feed Mudryk 

4 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Where are these can you share them?

I heard about it on Mizs other side of the coin podcast. Here is a link to the article he spoke of:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13348983/amp/Chelsea-Mauricio-Pochettino-sack-debate.html

 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

I heard about it on Mizs other side of the coin podcast. Here is a link to the article he spoke of:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13348983/amp/Chelsea-Mauricio-Pochettino-sack-debate.html

 

The one time the players have decided to stick by a manager  and not chuck him under a bus they chose Poch FFS🤣🤣🤣 

You really can’t make this up but it’s indicative of this administration at Chelsea now.

12 minutes ago, El regreso said:

The one time the players have decided to stick by a manager  and not chuck him under a bus they chose Poch FFS🤣🤣🤣 

You really can’t make this up but it’s indicative of this administration at Chelsea now.

It makes sense though. Only a few of them are good enough to be playing at the very top level (palmer, Nkunku). Those players will leave but those who know they are not making it to that level are on good, long contracts and have a manager that protects them, gives them time off even after a 5 null drubbing, throws BBQs for them etc.

 

Why would those players want their comfortable situation to change 

5 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

What about this season makes you think we're ever getting near top 4 under Pochettino?

 

9 months and we haven't improved one bit.

I think we have. 

For me it is also tiring to sort of back Pochettino. I back the manager we now have who to me has done enough. 

I basically detested Poch before he came here and laughed at his failures but I see he is a good person and players really like him. The project we now have he seems to be okay taking it forward. 

I feel we need to back him in the summer and next season.

I think Pochettino is the type of coach that is damaging to a team in the long run. The lack of discipline is something all of his squads have had and something that will ruin any chance of success in the future. It creates a weak mentality.

I think these players need a much tougher coach. Lampard, Potter, Pochettino, they're all too nice. One of Mourinho's best traits when he used to take over a team was that he instilled discipline into his team and made them hard to play against. I still think to this day that Mourinho more than anybody was responsible for getting Real Madrid back on course to becoming the most successful club in the sport again. Yes, they signed Ronaldo, but they have signed stars before him and were regularly failing to get passed the last 16 of the Champions League. Mourinho came in and got them back on track again. This is what we need now. And no, I don't want Mourinho back, we need somebody fresh, a coach that demands the best and won't settle for anything less but can also get these players playing like a team. Make these players tougher, because under Pochettino, all I see is a very fragile and weak team mentally. Young players shouldn't have that kind of fear.

I agree with the discipline part however Eden said he loves Pochettino (don't know why exactly as he never played for him). If we had players like Eden his style would suit the team. Cole Palmer is like that clearly. Don't know.... maybe Pochettinos style suits modern players....

3 hours ago, El regreso said:

Where are these can you share them?

Don't bother mate.

it's all " a source " says this , " a source " says that nonsense. 

in other words , it's all made up .

1 minute ago, evissy said:

I agree with the discipline part however Eden said he loves Pochettino (don't know why exactly as he never played for him). If we had players like Eden his style would suit the team. Cole Palmer is like that clearly. Don't know.... maybe Pochettinos style suits modern players....

Yet all of the best teams right now are managed by the opposite. 

17 minutes ago, evissy said:

I agree with the discipline part however Eden said he loves Pochettino (don't know why exactly as he never played for him). If we had players like Eden his style would suit the team. Cole Palmer is like that clearly. Don't know.... maybe Pochettinos style suits modern players....

Imagine the combination of Eden and Pochs BBQs. 

And he had a problem with the burgers in preseason without him...

4 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I think Pochettino is the type of coach that is damaging to a team in the long run. The lack of discipline is something all of his squads have had and something that will ruin any chance of success in the future. It creates a weak mentality.

I think these players need a much tougher coach. Lampard, Potter, Pochettino, they're all too nice. One of Mourinho's best traits when he used to take over a team was that he instilled discipline into his team and made them hard to play against. I still think to this day that Mourinho more than anybody was responsible for getting Real Madrid back on course to becoming the most successful club in the sport again. Yes, they signed Ronaldo, but they have signed stars before him and were regularly failing to get passed the last 16 of the Champions League. Mourinho came in and got them back on track again. This is what we need now. And no, I don't want Mourinho back, we need somebody fresh, a coach that demands the best and won't settle for anything less but can also get these players playing like a team. Make these players tougher, because under Pochettino, all I see is a very fragile and weak team mentally. Young players shouldn't have that kind of fear.

You cannot be tough on these players. These players are playing in role they are supposed to. 

A very clear example is jakckson. Not good enough as nailed down start but he is our only st and our only threat behind. 

And now people are saying

Why can't he score? 

Why he is so weak? 

Why can't he win header? 

But he is undroppable, with 0 threat behind, it is impossible for the team to play. 

How about mudryk? Not good enough for rotational player but is playing as one. He did stuff that almost unacceptable at this level, you can be tough and say if you do this again, you don't play. But you may as well sell him. If it is just one thing it is easy, with mudryk there are so many things.

 

 

Edited April 26, 20242 yr by Bob stark