Another new Poch in or out poll....

 

Last night really pushed me over the edge. 

I still can't believe he went out with that lineup, that back 4 was f**king suicidal. Disasi and f**king Badiashile really? Disaster and sh*te more like, they've been our worst CB pairing all season and Pochettino decides to play those two instead of the two who've conceded 1 goal in the last two games? And put a youngster like Gilchrist at RB, what the f**k was he thinking? What a way to destroy someones confidence in a game like that... The kid has barely played all season and that's the game you start him in? Emirates.

And I'm sick to f**king death of him shoehorning Gallagher in the front 4 every single game, enough is enough. All excuses aside his lineups, subs, team talks, are just bad. I can't do with the project anymore. I hung onto it more than most and I've got absolute egg on my face, it is what it is. 

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Anyone else bang their head in when Poch said that without Palmer we have no one to link the lines, when at the same time we have f**king Carney Chukwuemeka on the bench? 

To add to this. 

He said Silva and Chalobah were too tired, when he had no issue playing Silva 3 matches in a week earlier in the season and Chalobah has been fit since February. 

He's clearly self sabotaging. 

5 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Let's be honest. 

In defense of Poch, he's had a massive injury list. What's avaliable is dreadfully bad.

In terms of style of play. We have shown many times this season that we can play great football with good passing especially when we beat the press.

Problem is that we are so inconsistent.

The defenders we have available are terrible. 

Our striker is terrible.

My biggest problem is the midfield. We spent 200m on Enzo and Caicedo. They have really disappointed me at how poor they both are on both sides of the pitch. We should be set in midfield for the money they cost. They should be doing so much better whereby we can worry about building the team around them.

I'm completely lost at how to fix this.

If poch is so bad a better manager can fix this but I doubt that is the solution.

 

 

I personally think that is the solution mostly because Poch has got the midfield ticking before by removing Gallagher or Enzo but he refuses to drop either of them. A better manager would have by now. 

We can only hope

9 hours ago, evissy said:

Think about the players point of view and the circumstances. Just think about that and not solely your own feelings.

I am not talking about my feelings either. Of course I want us to win.

Okay, I will think of it from the point of view of the players.

There's a Europa League spot up for grabs.

Professional pride.

London derby.

One of the clubs biggest rivals.

Building a winning mentality against tough opposition.

There is plenty there to motivate them, if they can't find that, then they are in the wrong sport.

47 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

We can only hope

Once European football is mathematical impossible the clause is active and they can sack him for reduced cost.

6 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Once European football is mathematical impossible the clause is active and they can sack him for reduced cost.

Yeah I don't expect anything before that point, as long as he's gone at the end of the season I'll take it.

7 hours ago, DannyVblue said:

Seems like this is going to be an unpopular opinion but I'm a lot happier with how this season has gone than last. We've been very unlucky in the cups and there's a big improvement in style of play, chance creation, goals scored. I'm actually very positive about the next few years now.

I think it's blindingly obvious the defence isn't good enough at the moment, but I don't fully blame Pochettino for that. Last night we were without our whole first choice backline - next season our first choice back 4 will consist of Chilwell, Fofana, Colwill and James (Gusto). Poch does have to take some blame with the way we defend set pieces, we look like we could concede every time the ball gets crossed into the box. Our goalkeeper situation also doesn't help.

Mark my words, a team with a core of Palmer, Fernandez, Nkunku, Caicedo, Gallagher, James, Colwill, Fofana and Jackson is going to have a lot of success over the next few years.

As a side note, I know Jackson gets a hell of a lot of stick (sometimes rightly so with some of his misses), but he's 22 and his build up play has been fantastic over the past few months. The talent is there, though he might end up as our left winger rather than the main striker.

 

I disagree with much of this.

There hasn't been a big improvement in style of play at all. It's the same slow, sleep walking football we have played for years. Playing out of the back is torture with us, there has been zero improvement on it, and if anything, it seems to be getting worse. The amount of turnovers of possession in our own half is abysmal. When it comes to chance creation, it's never consistent, it's one chance here and there, never a flurry of chances with sustained pressure on the opposition. The amount of times we get into positive positions, only to pass it back 5 yards, then back to the halfway line, then back to the defence / goalkeeper is infuriating. The fans home and away are sick of it to. You can hear the groans from the fans every time we do it. There is rarely any excitement to our football, players are too afraid to even shoot from outside of the area most of the time. 

Literally the only reason we are 9th and not 18th is Cole Palmer. Take him out and we are fighting relegation. He's the real reason why you're happier with this season compared to last, because he is the only improvement.

You say last night that you don't blame Pochettino because he was without our entire first choice backline...........but this was his choice. He chose to leave out Chalobah and Silva. He could have played both of them and put Disasi at RB. Even if he didn't have them available, he still set us up to get battered by Arsenal. He should have gone with a defensively organised setup and try and hit Arsenal on the counter. He didn't do that though, he set them up to go toe to toe with Arsenal. GIlchrist had no help from the Madueke. Cucurellla had no help from Mudryk. Pochettino set them up to get destroyed and that is exactly what happened. 

8 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Yeah I don't expect anything before that point, as long as he's gone at the end of the season I'll take it.

So long as Winstanley and Stewart follow him out the door I will be as well.

Some interesting bits in the papers, copied them in below:

Mauricio Pochettino has questioned the clubs strategy, saying the club needs to come up with a smarter strategy and inconsistency is inevitable with such a young team. The result increases the scrutiny on Pochettino, who will hold talks with Chelsea officials at the end of the season amid uncertainty over his future at the club. (@NizaarKinsella)
 

Pochettino said that “he took a risk” joining Chelsea, and now the club need to assess the plan and be clever. (@NizaarKinsella) #CF

There is recognition within the Chelsea board that keeping Mauricio Pochettino, no matter what, would give Chelsea some much needed stability. (@Matt_Law_DT) #CFC

Some things that have been noted: 

🟢 Handling of young talents such as Palmer, Jackson and Gusto 
🟢 Improved home form 
🟢 2 trips to Wembley 

🔴 Public comments about lack of experience 
🔴 Team selections have sometimes raised eyebrows 

(@Matt_Law_DT)

Pressure is growing on Pochettino amid frustration over some decisions, but he still retains support within Chelsea and there is recognition that he has been working within a tough set of circumstances. (@Matt_Law_DT) #CFC

Chelsea have a long term admiration for Ruben Amorim, and could move for him if they sack Mauricio Pochettino. (@SamiMokbel81_DM) #CFC

It’s interesting that Poch has started to become more vocal and obvious about the squads shortcomings and quality of the players. He’s basically questioning the owners and sporting directors which doesn’t seem to end well. 

1 minute ago, JM7 said:

It’s interesting that Poch has started to become more vocal and obvious about the squads shortcomings and quality of the players. He’s basically questioning the owners and sporting directors which doesn’t seem to end well. 

God forbid he ever takes responsibility for himself, constant deflection to try and cover his own back

22 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Mauricio Pochettino has questioned the clubs strategy, saying the club needs to come up with a smarter strategy and inconsistency is inevitable with such a young team. The result increases the scrutiny on Pochettino, who will hold talks with Chelsea officials at the end of the season amid uncertainty over his future at the club. (@NizaarKinsella)

Hahaha so the reason Poch is now under threat and being briefed against is not so much that he has been bad, but that he rightly called out the brain trust on their rank incompetence.

Haven't seen this many infantile c**ts since I was on a plane with Andrew Neil...

31 minutes ago, JM7 said:

It’s interesting that Poch has started to become more vocal and obvious about the squads shortcomings and quality of the players. He’s basically questioning the owners and sporting directors which doesn’t seem to end well. 

Yep, another 180 from his comments throughout the season. Man has more 180s that Tony Hawks

Palace get a modern coach and like magic instant improvement with Mateta going from a characture to looking like one of the best forwards ITL.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Palace get a modern coach and like magic instant improvement with Mateta going from a characture to looking like one of the best forwards ITL.

They have improved but saw a similar improvement towards the end of last season after Vieira left. I think a big part of the recent improvement is Eze and Olise returning to fitness. They are different team with those 2.

6 hours ago, axman2526 said:

So long as Winstanley and Stewart follow him out the door I will be as well.

Agreed. They need to be held accountable for some of the awful signings. Certainly don't want them doing further damage in the next few windows.

15 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Agreed. They need to be held accountable for some of the awful signings. Certainly don't want them doing further damage in the next few windows.

Have they made a good signing? Aren't all of them awful or poor?

Reports are Joe Shields was responsible for Gusto, Palmer and Lavia. Now Lavia we will have to see on. If he continues with Fofanaitus then he is a awful signing too, the other two look being pretty darn good.

One good signing either Winstanley or Sewart has made so far?

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Have they made a good signing? Aren't all of them awful or poor?

Reports are Joe Shields was responsible for Gusto, Palmer and Lavia. Now Lavia we will have to see on. If he continues with Fofanaitus then he is a awful signing too, the other two look being pretty darn good.

One good signing either Winstanley or Sewart has made so far?

Remains to be seen if any of them come good. But so far Winstanley and Stewart get low grades. I think Nkunku (who even though injured most of the time has looked promising when fit) was also a Vivell signing.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Have they made a good signing? Aren't all of them awful or poor?

Reports are Joe Shields was responsible for Gusto, Palmer and Lavia. Now Lavia we will have to see on. If he continues with Fofanaitus then he is a awful signing too, the other two look being pretty darn good.

One good signing either Winstanley or Sewart has made so far?

Imo 99% of the signing are fine (except cucu or auba) . Even player who many here doesn't rate like Jackson, Caicedo, mudryk and madueke are good. 

The problem is how they fit with each other. You want just one of Mudryk n madueke not both. If you have Enzo as a nailed down starter (120 m) , you want a monster midfielder next to him. Jackson is good but where is Giroud. 

It is similar situation to lamp 2nd season. TT fixed by basically saying f this squad and brought back the old guy. We won cl but we lose Tammy, CHO, Puli, Ruben, Gilmour for pennies.

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, forbzy said:

Remains to be seen if any of them come good. But so far Winstanley and Stewart get low grades. I think Nkunku (who even though injured most of the time has looked promising when fit) was also a Vivell signing.

Nkunku indeed was a Vivell signing. Though jury is out on him, like Lavia.

10 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Okay, I will think of it from the point of view of the players.

There's a Europa League spot up for grabs.

Professional pride.

London derby.

One of the clubs biggest rivals.

Building a winning mentality against tough opposition.

There is plenty there to motivate them, if they can't find that, then they are in the wrong sport.

Remember when we would be up for ruining Tottenhams hopes for the title when it literally did nothing for us in the league table? Good times. 

You couldn't motivate this team to get out of bed. 

The only way to get something from a young squad is to have a clear philosophy and play free flowing, attacking football.

I know we've had injuries and it's been a rough season, but it's not like we were only left with trash players. 

Been almost a year with Pochettino in charge and, in spite of all the injuries, I, for one, do not see the improvement to be honest.

With all the respect to the likes of Bournemouth or Brentford, but our squad, with all the injuries, is ten times better. Yet their football is ten times more entertaining and pleasing to the eye, in spite of all their shortcomings and lack of good players.

This only makes me think their managers are doing a better job with lesser squads than Pochettino is doing with a way better one.

I would not give him another season. De Zerbi would be my first option and Amorim is also a good shout. I know we might possibly finish ahead Brighton, but do we really play a better brand of football? Not in a million years. It's May soon and almost a year with Pochettino in charge and we still look like a team full of players that seem to have met each other minutes before matches. Like when me and you want to play some five a side football but you go on an app to search for some available spots around town because your mates are busy.