Poch did ok right. I mean why not pick Baddy. Let’s leave Carney on the bench. Lads had a never say die attitude. 
 

I mean we defend at corners really well. We’ve coached out those passes from baddy and dizzy straight to their forwards. 

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31 minutes ago, evissy said:

Think about the players point of view and the circumstances. Just think about that and not solely your own feelings.

I am not talking about my feelings either. Of course I want us to win.

For once, this clown and the players (but the clown in charge is the culpable for not coaching them how to play as a team in 9 months) should think about the travelling supporters who are the ones that paid money and spent our time travelling to North London only to be embarrassed by last night's performance. And we continue to be the target of banter from rivals for a couple more days because we do not live in a bubble like they do. The players and coach may feel bad after the game, but then they get their pay check and go back to their privileged lives and it's all smiles and laughter.

8 hours ago, timetowaste said:

100%, under here I've added a goal from Crystal Palace last weekend. Glasner has managed them for 8 games, taking over from Hodgson who isn't exactly known for nice to watch football. Their players aren't better than our players and somehow Glasner has managed to get them playing a great passage of play against a low block, something Poch hasn't managed to do in 9 months.

 

 

This really isn't anything special, we have done it numerous times this season. The difference here is Palace score and we don't. 

8 minutes ago, Remodez said:

This really isn't anything special, we have done it numerous times this season. The difference here is Palace score and we don't. 

Which is kind of a big deal.

But anyway the point of the video wasn't to show some footballing masterpiece, it's to show how a manager can come in and improve a team in a short space of time. Glasner has them playing much better football within a few games but Poch is telling us how a team with better players is going to take 3-5 years. Look at Mateta, people thought he was one of the worst strikers in the league and he's scored 6 goals in Glasner's first 8 matches.

Poch is horrendously out of his depth and anyone with any sense knows it, he needs to go today but I suspect we might have to wait until the summer at the earliest.

33 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

My biggest worry is that if he stays for another season, we will start to see an exodus, starting with Palmer, Enzo and so on.

We really need to start improving if we want to keep our better players.

Enzo leaving might not be the worst thing for us...

3 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Enzo leaving might not be the worst thing for us...

I disagree. Before he joined us he was considered one of young elite talents, he literally could pick any club he wanted to join.

Under a better manager we should see much more from him.

Spurs at the Bridge next week.

4 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I disagree. Before he joined us he was considered one of young elite talents, he literally could pick any club he wanted to join.

Under a better manager we should see much more from him.

None of these players are leaving. They are under contract. 

There's an advantage to doing the silly contracts, we own them.

4 minutes ago, mez said:

Spurs at the Bridge next week.

Lose that and it will be carnage. And rightfully so. 

I can excuse a mauling away to arsenal. Not a loss at home to spuds. 

Let's be honest. 

In defense of Poch, he's had a massive injury list. What's avaliable is dreadfully bad.

In terms of style of play. We have shown many times this season that we can play great football with good passing especially when we beat the press.

Problem is that we are so inconsistent.

The defenders we have available are terrible. 

Our striker is terrible.

My biggest problem is the midfield. We spent 200m on Enzo and Caicedo. They have really disappointed me at how poor they both are on both sides of the pitch. We should be set in midfield for the money they cost. They should be doing so much better whereby we can worry about building the team around them.

I'm completely lost at how to fix this.

If poch is so bad a better manager can fix this but I doubt that is the solution.

 

 

For the people still supporting Poch if you read one thing today or this season about Chelsea READ THIS!!!

This guy outlines why last year when we were linked with Poch it was a bad idea as he watched practically all of PSG games similar to Julien Lauren’s ( who is a PSG fan apparently) all said he would fail here and that’s exactly what’s happening.

I supported the hiring of Poch but it’s clear he’s not the one to get these young player’s to understand the tactical aspects of the game and improve. Am all for stability when it’s the right guy and he ain’t that guy.
 

This is f**king 4-0 for managers these 🤡s

I will post this on the Poch out thread also so no one misses this.
 

 

 

 

Seems like this is going to be an unpopular opinion but I'm a lot happier with how this season has gone than last. We've been very unlucky in the cups and there's a big improvement in style of play, chance creation, goals scored. I'm actually very positive about the next few years now.

I think it's blindingly obvious the defence isn't good enough at the moment, but I don't fully blame Pochettino for that. Last night we were without our whole first choice backline - next season our first choice back 4 will consist of Chilwell, Fofana, Colwill and James (Gusto). Poch does have to take some blame with the way we defend set pieces, we look like we could concede every time the ball gets crossed into the box. Our goalkeeper situation also doesn't help.

Mark my words, a team with a core of Palmer, Fernandez, Nkunku, Caicedo, Gallagher, James, Colwill, Fofana and Jackson is going to have a lot of success over the next few years.

As a side note, I know Jackson gets a hell of a lot of stick (sometimes rightly so with some of his misses), but he's 22 and his build up play has been fantastic over the past few months. The talent is there, though he might end up as our left winger rather than the main striker.

 

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

….

We didn't need to win a game against one of our fiercest rivals?

 

The fans rivals, not this bunch of muppets who are getting paid millions and are probably best mates with half the Arse squad 

31 minutes ago, El regreso said:

For the people still supporting Poch if you read one thing today or this season about Chelsea READ THIS!!!

This guy outlines why last year when we were linked with Poch it was a bad idea as he watched practically all of PSG games similar to Julien Lauren’s ( who is a PSG fan apparently) all said he would fail here and that’s exactly what’s happening.

I supported the hiring of Poch but it’s clear he’s not the one to get these young player’s to understand the tactical aspects of the game and improve. Am all for stability when it’s the right guy and he ain’t that guy.
 

This is f**king 4-0 for managers these 🤡s

I will post this on the Poch out thread also so no one misses this.
 

 

 

 

I read this and it makes a lot of sense. However I don't think we can quite yet judge Pochettino because he's never had the full squad and he doesn't really have a fighting chance with the young group anyway. It is all about whether him being the right man to lead this project or not. 

If we scored to our xG we'd probably be in CL spots. If we had Nkunku fit all season we could have scored a ton more goals. If we didn't have injuries. 

Funny thing is if you remember few years back when Jupp Heynckes won everything with Bayern he wasn't really advocating possession football or whatever the biggest trend was back then. He blasted past Barcelona with ease. 

In that thread this guy Alex says every coach knows every trick. Probably yes. But it doesn't mean Pochettino can't find winning form with what he does with us. I would love us to have a Coach that fits Chelsea rather than go with the flavour of the month. 

14 minutes ago, evissy said:

I read this and it makes a lot of sense. However I don't think we can quite yet judge Pochettino because he's never had the full squad and he doesn't really have a fighting chance with the young group anyway. It is all about whether him being the right man to lead this project or not. 

If we scored to our xG we'd probably be in CL spots. If we had Nkunku fit all season we could have scored a ton more goals. If we didn't have injuries. 

Funny thing is if you remember few years back when Jupp Heynckes won everything with Bayern he wasn't really advocating possession football or whatever the biggest trend was back then. He blasted past Barcelona with ease. 

In that thread this guy Alex says every coach knows every trick. Probably yes. But it doesn't mean Pochettino can't find winning form with what he does with us. I would love us to have a Coach that fits Chelsea rather than go with the flavour of the month. 

I always like your post you are always levelheaded with your responses.

I was of your mindset up until last night, the team last night fits a pattern all season.

They look clueless tactically which is why players like Enzo, Moises and our defence look like pub players.

All these players were playing good before joining us, so what’s the difference?

Injuries doesn’t make you look like a pub team, that’s on the manager. We could have played great and lose 1-0 that I can accept but we looked completely devoid of any plan other than run run run!!

 

2 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

I disagree. Before he joined us he was considered one of young elite talents, he literally could pick any club he wanted to join.

Under a better manager we should see much more from him.

I imagine similar was said about Renato Sanches after a few games at Benfica then a breakout with the National Team winning a tournament... 

The similarities in their careers to date are uncanny.

2 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Let's be honest. 

In defense of Poch, he's had a massive injury list. What's avaliable is dreadfully bad.

In terms of style of play. We have shown many times this season that we can play great football with good passing especially when we beat the press.

Problem is that we are so inconsistent.

The defenders we have available are terrible. 

Our striker is terrible.

My biggest problem is the midfield. We spent 200m on Enzo and Caicedo. They have really disappointed me at how poor they both are on both sides of the pitch. We should be set in midfield for the money they cost. They should be doing so much better whereby we can worry about building the team around them.

I'm completely lost at how to fix this.

If poch is so bad a better manager can fix this but I doubt that is the solution.

 

 

 

Someone who's not playing Enzo on the wing, Mudryk as a second fullback and having Disasi covering acres of space would be a start.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

 

Someone who's not playing Enzo on the wing, Mudryk as a second fullback and having Disasi covering acres of space would be a start.

nO oFfeNsE, bUt THe mOveMenT PaTTern anD tHE PaSsiNg PaTteR iS cLEaR tO sEe. 

Are you going all MySpace on us Sconnie!

2 hours ago, DannyVblue said:

Seems like this is going to be an unpopular opinion but I'm a lot happier with how this season has gone than last. We've been very unlucky in the cups and there's a big improvement in style of play, chance creation, goals scored. I'm actually very positive about the next few years now.

I think it's blindingly obvious the defence isn't good enough at the moment, but I don't fully blame Pochettino for that. Last night we were without our whole first choice backline - next season our first choice back 4 will consist of Chilwell, Fofana, Colwill and James (Gusto). Poch does have to take some blame with the way we defend set pieces, we look like we could concede every time the ball gets crossed into the box. Our goalkeeper situation also doesn't help.

Mark my words, a team with a core of Palmer, Fernandez, Nkunku, Caicedo, Gallagher, James, Colwill, Fofana and Jackson is going to have a lot of success over the next few years.

As a side note, I know Jackson gets a hell of a lot of stick (sometimes rightly so with some of his misses), but he's 22 and his build up play has been fantastic over the past few months. The talent is there, though he might end up as our left winger rather than the main striker.

 

That's a very positive post, coming at a time where not many of us having too much to be positive about!

Has been a very strange season. At times, I have felt positive and seen signs we are moving in the right direction, especially when you think about the players we will have coming back from injury. Others times, I'm wondering if we could be the next Leeds, Sunderland and slip right down.

Hopefully you are right. We do need those players to come back and STAY FIT and we do need a decent striker and a top keeper plus another good CB. One thing is for sure, we must never play Disasi and Badiashille as a CB pairing again. EVER!

 

Anyone else bang their head in when Poch said that without Palmer we have no one to link the lines, when at the same time we have f**king Carney Chukwuemeka on the bench? 

23 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Anyone else bang their head in when Poch said that without Palmer we have no one to link the lines, when at the same time we have f**king Carney Chukwuemeka on the bench? 

Could not believe Carney didn’t get a run, unless injured. One of my many complaints about Poch is his subs are too late and reactionary. I don’t see the lads in training and what would I know anyway, but I’d have started him in front of an unfit Enzo. 

2 hours ago, El regreso said:

I always like your post you are always levelheaded with your responses.

I was of your mindset up until last night, the team last night fits a pattern all season.

They look clueless tactically which is why players like Enzo, Moises and our defence look like pub players.

All these players were playing good before joining us, so what’s the difference?

Injuries doesn’t make you look like a pub team, that’s on the manager. We could have played great and lose 1-0 that I can accept but we looked completely devoid of any plan other than run run run!!

 

I also kind of think that he injuries is a bit overtsted.

From our defensive group we have missed James and Chilwell through regular and constant injury. But we have had this for a number of seasons now and  therefore, those playing in their places have had plenty of game time. Fofana, whilst possibly having great potential has never shown it here. Even when he was briefly fit he wasn't really setting the world alight. I think he could be good but will probably never reach that potential due to injury.

Similarly Lavia and Ugochukwu, whilst not being available and thereby reducing our numbers, have yet to even show, when fit, that they are capable of sustained progression at this level. Even fully fit with this manager i could see an Enzo - Caicedo - Galagher trio remaining the core.

Nkunku for me is the only long term injured player that already has a proven track record and that Poch clearly was looking to build his strategy around. Of course we are still yet to see even if Nkunku has got what is needed in the EPL, after all Werner looked mustard in Germany.

So i get that the reduction in numbers is an inhibiting factor but in fact there is no guarantee that we would be dramatically further on if all were available. We can hope, and perhaps with a better coach it would be possible, but it really isn't a given.

There is still a solid core of players out there last night that have played a significant amount of this season.

 

3 hours ago, DannyVblue said:

Seems like this is going to be an unpopular opinion but I'm a lot happier with how this season has gone than last. We've been very unlucky in the cups and there's a big improvement in style of play, chance creation, goals scored. I'm actually very positive about the next few years now.

I think it's blindingly obvious the defence isn't good enough at the moment, but I don't fully blame Pochettino for that. Last night we were without our whole first choice backline - next season our first choice back 4 will consist of Chilwell, Fofana, Colwill and James (Gusto). Poch does have to take some blame with the way we defend set pieces, we look like we could concede every time the ball gets crossed into the box. Our goalkeeper situation also doesn't help.

Mark my words, a team with a core of Palmer, Fernandez, Nkunku, Caicedo, Gallagher, James, Colwill, Fofana and Jackson is going to have a lot of success over the next few years.

As a side note, I know Jackson gets a hell of a lot of stick (sometimes rightly so with some of his misses), but he's 22 and his build up play has been fantastic over the past few months. The talent is there, though he might end up as our left winger rather than the main striker.

 

I think we have gaps everywhere and this is partly the injury situation and I just don't see this going away, too many ifs and whens.

I also worry that unless we sign a decent recognised player we will lose Palmer perhaps end of next season, my pick would be Solanke and guess at £85-90m, I think they would work well together.

We can't strengthen everywhere due to FFP and I struggle defensively, Silva going, James surgery a major if, Fofana too and Gusto cannot play all season.

Cucu for me has been better these last 3-4 matches though not perfect yet Chilwell also looks less able these days.

I would be tempted to keep Chalobah as back up to Disasi though with Silva leaving and Colwill still out with a toe problem not sure we can rely Badashile.

Petrovic's confidence might be a factor too.

 

3 hours ago, DannyVblue said:

We've been very unlucky in the cups

 

I really appreciate the positivity but have to disagree here. We were extremely lucky in both cups with the runs we've had. I don't rate Potter but he was very unlucky to draw City in the first round of each cup. He probably would have had a decent run as well if he had the same draws as Poch.

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