We have an element here that work hard to defend the club from the unwarranted criticism of moaners, people who weren’t there in 1978 and all other non believers.

I’m just wondering what the situation is today. I assume Mudryk and the rest of the super expensive kids are all on the verge of Cryuff like brilliance and that all other clubs are actually sh*t and we’ve got them exactly where we want them.

So, to the ministry of truth, why despite the looks of one win in four and sitting 11th and still not having the foggiest idea of how to score a goal after spending 1 billion quid in twelve months, are we in fact actually doing really well and got City and Real Madrid sh*tting themselves?

Edited September 2, 20232 yr by Snedger

It's really weird how many people online I see defend the ownership from what I can tell they're either all American or paid Indian tech support because I've never actually met a single person who thinks Boehly and Co aren't the worst football owners in the country and I talk about football with a lot of people all across the country as my work involves a lot of travel.

Both fellow blues, neutrals and Oppo fans and everyone unanimously agrees we've had three of the worst windows a premier league club has ever had back to back to back yet online there's people pretending we've bought well for the future it's just hilarious given how it clearly isn't true.

You simply can't justify spending a billion pounds and having a worse squad than you had previously.

Edited September 2, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

1 hour ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

It's really weird how many people online I see defend the ownership from what I can tell they're either all American or paid Indian tech support because I've never actually met a single person who thinks Boehly and Co aren't the worst football owners in the country and I talk about football with a lot of people all across the country as my work involves a lot of travel.

Both fellow blues, neutrals and Oppo fans and everyone unanimously agrees we've had three of the worst windows a premier league club has ever had back to back to back yet online there's people pretending we've bought well for the future it's just hilarious given how it clearly isn't true.

You simply can't justify spending a billion pounds and having a worse squad than you had previously.

This might take the award for worst post made to this site for a while so well done. 
 

not sure who all these people you speak to are but they must have an extremely narrow view of football to all think our owners are the worst in the country, especially when people like Ron Martin exist (I suspect Google might be your friend here).

We are run like a drunk 16 year old who's pumped in 2 billion on his FM save and started buying endless amounts of wonderkids.

Sadly we don't get the chance to reset and start over.

 

I sympathize with many of you, but I still believe we'll improve on things throughout the season. 

I say give it half a season first at least, and see how you feel by then. 

God works in mysterious ways

Chelsea fans are truly Gods children and are being tested every week like Job

On 02/09/2023 at 22:41, Blueboys said:

This might take the award for worst post made to this site for a while so well done. 
 

not sure who all these people you speak to are but they must have an extremely narrow view of football to all think our owners are the worst in the country, especially when people like Ron Martin exist (I suspect Google might be your friend here).

Well it's not much of a comfort that there are worse owners out there, they have taken the club backwards, but we're stuck with them and our players for a very long time.

Maybe it's a temporary blip

 

On 02/09/2023 at 23:00, azpi28 said:

God works in mysterious ways

Chelsea fans are truly Gods children and are being tested every week like Job

Going a bit Glen Hoddle  there !

2 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Going a bit Glen Hoddle  there !

More Gavin Peacock!

On 02/09/2023 at 22:44, Chelsbear said:

We are run like a drunk 16 year old who's pumped in 2 billion on his FM save and started buying endless amounts of wonderkids.

Sadly we don't get the chance to reset and start over.

 

 

On 02/09/2023 at 22:54, Victor90 said:

I sympathize with many of you, but I still believe we'll improve on things throughout the season. 

I say give it half a season first at least, and see how you feel by then. 

These two posts sum up exactly where I am currently. 

I still think we have appointed the right coach in Pochettino and I am excited about a lot of our squad so go with the @Victor90 optimism and think we could still have a decent season and improve so we are challenging in the next few seasons.

But then after the defeat to Forest and looking at the squad again, I start thinking perhaps the @Chelsbearview is possibly more accurate. 

I really don't know. On one hand I feel the squad is a lot more balanced and with the better coach we have now we MUST start seeing the improvement. But then we still don't have a striker who scores or strikes fear into the opposition nor a keeper who would get into any of our main rivals. And this selling off our own academy players and signing a load of youngsters on long-terms contracts just because it makes the balance sheet look good, really doesn't sit well with me.

I can see this season my view is going to change on a weekly basis depending on how good or bad the performances and results are but fingers crossed, Pochettino soon has a full squad to pick from and we kick on from there once the players start to gel. Hopefully..........................................

 

4 minutes ago, Nibs said:

 

These two posts sum up exactly where I am currently. 

I still think we have appointed the right coach in Pochettino and I am excited about a lot of our squad so go with the @Victor90 optimism and think we could still have a decent season and improve so we are challenging in the next few seasons.

But then after the defeat to Forest and looking at the squad again, I start thinking perhaps the @Chelsbearview is possibly more accurate. 

I really don't know. On one hand I feel the squad is a lot more balanced and with the better coach we have now we MUST start seeing the improvement. But then we still don't have a striker who scores or strikes fear into the opposition nor a keeper who would get into any of our main rivals. And this selling off our own academy players and signing a load of youngsters on long-terms contracts just because it makes the balance sheet look good, really doesn't sit well with me.

I can see this season my view is going to change on a weekly basis depending on how good or bad the performances and results are but fingers crossed, Pochettino soon has a full squad to pick from and we kick on from there once the players start to gel. Hopefully..........................................

 

Better coach yes,  still a poor goalkeeper and once more banking on Broja to turn in to a goal machine to save our season. 

When Nkunku comes back we have someone who knows where the net is, which Potter did not have.

Cetainly bleak days ahead, I cannot relate to Todd Boehly, Poch or indeed the majority of our recently signed players.

Its now hard to see where the  next goal or win may come from, a certain recipe for the slippery slope leading to failure.

 

 

4 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Going a bit Glen Hoddle  there !

Oh come on.....Eileen😅

5 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Oh come on.....Eileen😅

Maybe we should give her try , you never know , a bit of faith healing.

😂😂😂

 

5 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Well it's not much of a comfort that there are worse owners out there, they have taken the club backwards, but we're stuck with them and our players for a very long time.

Maybe it's a temporary blip

 

Backwards from where? Outside of a 6 month purple patch under Tuchel we’ve been no where near winning anything for years. That 6 months was very much the blip, just a good one. 

Also on the owners. The honest answer is if you’d ask the fans of 99% ish of clubs around the world they’d bite your hands off to have our owners after they’d made the now customary billion quid joke 

13 minutes ago, Blueboys said:

Backwards from where? Outside of a 6 month purple patch under Tuchel we’ve been no where near winning anything for years. That 6 months was very much the blip, just a good one. 

Also on the owners. The honest answer is if you’d ask the fans of 99% ish of clubs around the world they’d bite your hands off to have our owners after they’d made the now customary billion quid joke 

We were in 2 finals that went to penalties and finished in the top 4 in the season before the takeover. We regularly finished top 4 for decades let alone winning everything. 

As of this minute we have definitely gone backwards,  " from where " you ask ?

Really ?

Whether other fans would have wanted our owners is irrelevant,  they're at our club ,  that's all that matters.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 4, 20232 yr by The Rising Sun
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Unlike Roman who was in this as a hobby, the investment won't keep coming and debts will be paid in due time. On the football matter, after so much spending, this team is no better than the team last finished in the top 4 more than a season ago. When is the next time we will get back into the top 4?

What's most disheartening is that every season I lower my expectations and we end up even falling way below that. 

Edited September 4, 20232 yr by KonaKai Blue

My position and opinion has been consistent and has not changed.

The club were rotten to the core, and stagnating for seasons. The top 4 finish under frank, the UCL and the cup finals under TT all masked the fact, and were achieving those heights  in spite of the way we were operating (not because of it)

That short term thinking, constant managerial churn and demand for immediate and instant success saw the squad expensively assembled, but increasingly fragmented and disjointed - playing an utterly boring style of negative football. It had not been truly competitive in the league for a while - and as i sat, the cup runs masked the deficiencies.

Clearlake have come in and tried to do something different. They went one direction under potter, spent big, then sh*t their pants due to a) the mistakes that they made in the market, b) the slow progress (or lack of) that Potter was making and c) the fans toxic reaction.

They have now gone another extreme way, hoovering up youth for a long term project. As I said when we had potter, the transition will take time. Not 1 transfer window. Not 3 windows. maybe not another 2 or 3 years. It will be a rollercoaster of ups and downs, and still at the end may not work. The same remains true now, perhaps even more so - and after 3 clearlake windows, we are still left with a squad full of potential, and little else. It will still take a long time.

Whilst I have concerns at the method we are trying, and tend to side with Alan Hansen, it is a change from the previous MO. I do believe we needed to move away from that old model, and this IS a move away. So I am willing to give it the time I think is needed. 

It is early, the kids are learning, there is little to gain from turning on the them or the club, and if ever patience was needed - now is the time.

The self entitled comments and behaviour of some of our fans , including some on here, is a perfect snapshot of the instant "i want it now" culture of the world. It doesn't help.

I do think some people would benefit from taking a step back and looking at things through the prism of 5-10 year blocks of time to measure success. Not everything has to be instant gratification- despite what tiktok and instagram may tell you....

 

 

 

PS. I am not american or indian tech support.

Edited September 5, 20232 yr by nonotnowjim
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8 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

That short term thinking, constant managerial churn and demand for immediate and instant success saw the squad expensively assembled, but increasingly fragmented and disjointed - playing an utterly boring style of negative football. It had not been truly competitive in the league for a while - and as i sat, the cup runs masked the deficiencies.

Aren't all these points still a problem?

Sacked Tuchel after a couple of months.
Sacked Potter after 6-7 months.
1 Billion squad that's fragmented and disjointed.
Football is still boring.
We are far less competitive then we were.

If anything it seems to me that everything that was "rotten" previously have just got worse.

47 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Aren't all these points still a problem?

Sacked Tuchel after a couple of months.
Sacked Potter after 6-7 months.
1 Billion squad that's fragmented and disjointed.
Football is still boring.
We are far less competitive then we were.

If anything it seems to me that everything that was "rotten" previously have just got worse.

Sacked Tuchel - Was harsh at the time but his signings and talent ID were embarrassing and the football he was playing at the end was poor. Probably could have lasted another month.

Sacked Potter - Gave him too much time if anything. Under the previous ownership that everyone loved he'd have been sacked about 3 months earlier and praised for it. We wanted a long term manager, Potter wasn't the man for that in hindsight. Seem to have got it right with Poch though.

1 billion squad - Money is irrelevant. I don't think its disjointed at all, we have players that fit positions now. No more Havertz-esque players that don't fit a role anywhere on the pitch. We have a proper midfield, actual wingers (not like Ziyech), we just need a GK now. Who knows, maybe Petrovic is the man. 

Less competitive - We've not been competitive in the league since Conte. I'll take two or three years out of Europe to actually challenge for a title again, rather than be fighting for top 4 and praying we have a cup run every other year.

We laughed at Arsenal for the first 2 and a half years Arteta was there, i see us as in the same limbo right now. Good performances on the pitch with bad results. If we're honestly still 11th in March, then sure eyebrows will be raised. We're 4 games in to the season and are right up there with Arsenal and City in all important metrics (ball progression, expected goals against, expected goals) we just haven't finished the chances. People just don't have patience anymore and have been spoiled by Roman's first 15 years at the club. Christ, it took City a decade to solidify their dominance in the league and build a multi-club model that actually works. We've spent 12 months laying the foundations. 

1 hour ago, OriginalS said:

Aren't all these points still a problem?

Sacked Tuchel after a couple of months.
Sacked Potter after 6-7 months.
1 Billion squad that's fragmented and disjointed.
Football is still boring.
We are far less competitive then we were.

If anything it seems to me that everything that was "rotten" previously have just got worse.

My food is not tasty. I will throw away what I am doing and follow another recipe.

It is still not tasty. I will throw that away and follow yet another recipe.

We are 4 games in to the latest recipe - still in the preparation phase in reality. Too soon to say if this latest dish will taste any better.

 

23 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

My food is not tasty. I will throw away what I am doing and follow another recipe.

It is still not tasty. I will throw that away and follow yet another recipe.

We are 4 games in to the latest recipe - still in the preparation phase in reality. Too soon to say if this latest dish will taste any better.

 

Sounds like Roman to me.

34 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Sounds like Roman to me.

Time will tell. Personally it “feels” different to me, and it seems from my perspective that Clearlake want stability - and will not simply pull the trigger on a manager if they don’t deliver immediate success.
 

Roman sacked managers for being 2nd. Clearlake sacked Potter after the fans turned toxic. I hope that doesn’t happen again, and we see through the “process” (or the rebuild, project, reset or whatever else we want to call it)

And yes - that includes sticking with it, even if results get ugly, assuming that there are glimmers of progress elsewhere. 
 

What I demand to see from Poch:

1) More progressive football than we have consistently seen for the past x number of years.

2) Players playing in their actual position -  no more square pegs in round roles.

3) a growing understanding of the tactical gameplan, with tangible progress/comfort in the system 

4) cutting out the defensive lapses

5) young players getting experience and growth in the team.

If 1-5 also comes with positive results, then that is fantastic. But I can take a short term blip in results (and by short term I mean years rather than weeks) if it means that long term (5-10 years) prospects looks good.

Edited September 5, 20232 yr by nonotnowjim

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

My food is not tasty. I will throw away what I am doing and follow another recipe.

It is still not tasty. I will throw that away and follow yet another recipe.

 

Are you making sure to use high quality eggs?