50 minutes ago, evissy said:

They had a 4 window plan which is now done. The squad is almost entirely new. Reece James is probably the only survivor from the old regime. 

The squad is massively younger and more exciting in many ways. 

Will all this pay off? Who knows? Will we be a powerhouse in world football once more? Hopefully. For their investment that would be good. We can't fall into midtable obscurity. Although a warning example of a side that basically wins nothing major is MU who are still massive in terms of global recognition but is casually beaten by Liverpool at their home 0-3. 

I hope we don't fall into traps they have fallen into. 

My hope is they let this core of brilliant talent to age a bit and get better as a unit. Hopefully with a coach that is there more than one season.

Nothing is going to change until they stop changing a third of the squad every season, and allow them to develop some collective experience, preferably with some stable management as well !

 

Time to drop favs,Sancho needs to play on left, Neto or Mudeke on right, Nkunku up top with Palmer behind him, Lavia instead of Enzo alongside Caseido

9 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Nothing is going to change until they stop changing a third of the squad every season, and allow them to develop some collective experience, preferably with some stable management as well !

 

That’s it for me in a nutshell!

There simply just has to be stability.

26 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Nothing is going to change until they stop changing a third of the squad every season, and allow them to develop some collective experience, preferably with some stable management as well !

 

Well most of the core is now 2-3 seasons in: Caicedo, Enzo, Colwill, Jackson, Gusto...Lavia and Nkunku are getting the minutes. 

Coach is someone who I wish they had an inch of stability with. Enzo seems to handle things well enough at this point.

31 minutes ago, erskblue said:

That’s it for me in a nutshell!

There simply just has to be stability.

Agreed and that stability takes time. Its amazing how some ppl are already saying the players and coach aren't good enough after 3 games yet are tired of all the swapping and changing.

People mention arsenal and man city but don't remember how pep and arteta did the first few seasons in charge. It takes time and every time we change the coach or swap a "third" of the players we start again.

Owners need to keep the coach for more than one season and lose those fkn chequebooks for us to even start the clock on this squad and manager.

 

 

12 minutes ago, evissy said:

Well most of the core is now 2-3 seasons in: Caicedo, Enzo, Colwill, Jackson, Gusto...Lavia and Nkunku are getting the minutes. 

Coach is someone who I wish they had an inch of stability with. Enzo seems to handle things well enough at this point.

I agree mate, I really hope they keep the coach and start the bloody journey we're supposed to be on.

With a new coach the previous seasons can only really be counted as gaining experience imo. With a new coach it's not exactly back to square 1 but maresca and poch are so different from each other I believe they'll still need nearly as much time as if it was their first season.

Edited September 2, 20241 yr by Simplymo

That is it. Inconsistent seasons ahead no matter who the coach is. Talent is also there. So a basis for something good is there. Patience is another thing.

 

12 minutes ago, evissy said:

That is it. Inconsistent seasons ahead no matter who the coach is. Talent is also there. So a basis for something good is there. Patience is another thing.

 

The sad thing is that after 5 transfer windows and £1.3 billion (or whatever the telephone number is) spent on transfer fees that we still have no proper spine.

• Reliable Goalkeeper
• Commanding centre back
• Defensive Midfield destroyer
• Clinical Striker

6 minutes ago, evissy said:

That is it. Inconsistent seasons ahead no matter who the coach is. Talent is also there. So a basis for something good is there. Patience is another thing.

 

100%

Was it artetas second or 3rd season where he got a contract extension and most criticised arsenal saying that's brilliant news for the rest of us.

Pep took 2 or 3 seasons too iirc, and that was with the structure already in place as they were preparing everything for him before he arrived.

Just a bit of perspective is needed tbh. I honestly believe our owners tried to do too much and too quick. Getting things wrong too in the process. 

But if we can accept it will take us a couple of seasons once its all settled and be patient then we definitely have the talent needed to be up there.

No coach/manager can build something new and challenge in the first season. Not even pep! Especially with such young players. Youngest team in the Premier league!

I just think too many are falling for the insane media negativity and forgetting the rest too.

Come on its Chelsea. Even Lineker on MOTD a while back said something along the lines of "to say you like Chelsea is a bit too much but they did play some exciting football" Its still stuck in my head and he's a w**ker anyway. Lol

Journalists and pundits fall over each other to write something bad about Chelsea. That's unfortunately normal. 

 

35 minutes ago, Simplymo said:

Its amazing how some ppl are already saying the players and coach aren't good enough after 3 games yet are tired of all the swapping and changing.

So the two dreadful performances against Servette don't count then ?. We were in danger of becoming a bigger laughing stock then we already are if we had gone out on Thursday and why the Artetta analogies what's the point of comparing us to Arsenal or any other club for that matter. Most fans already know Maresca is out of his depth it's obvious and are waiting for the inevitable sacking come January.

38 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

So the two dreadful performances against Servette don't count then ?. We were in danger of becoming a bigger laughing stock then we already are if we had gone out on Thursday and why the Artetta analogies what's the point of comparing us to Arsenal or any other club for that matter. Most fans already know Maresca is out of his depth it's obvious and are waiting for the inevitable sacking come January.

Oh our b team that played serviette is definitely not good enough. Disaster brothers and kdh should remain on the bench at all times or better yet swap chucky with kdh. Unfortunately windows are still open to sell players.

And i just read dumb and dumber have invited the Greeks over for brunch on Sunday. Lol

Maresca may still lose squad members.

 

But that's what most fans also said about arteta and pep for 2 or 3 seasons. Pep was apparently only good in Spain with a squad picked for him and arteta was getting abuse for 2 seasons. 

But no we are CHELSEA, if a manager can't do it in one season with a whole new squad then he's rubbish! I blame the media. 😆 

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

The sad thing is that after 5 transfer windows and £1.3 billion (or whatever the telephone number is) spent on transfer fees that we still have no proper spine.

• Reliable Goalkeeper
• Commanding centre back
• Defensive Midfield destroyer
• Clinical Striker

We just need the last one for a nice buildup, a striker that will convert from a half-chance or from a real chance that usually is wasted every match.

Osimhen would have been perfect, wish we could get a new Jimmy Floyd...

Someone that is hard to guard and that will get you tons of goals from the get-go, I believe JFH had over 20 goals in his first season, they don't make them that way anymore...

30 minutes ago, Simplymo said:

Oh our b team that played serviette is definitely not good enough. Disaster brothers and kdh should remain on the bench at all times or better yet swap chucky with kdh. Unfortunately windows are still open to sell players.

And i just read dumb and dumber have invited the Greeks over for brunch on Sunday. Lol

Maresca may still lose squad members.

 

But that's what most fans also said about arteta and pep for 2 or 3 seasons. Pep was apparently only good in Spain with a squad picked for him and arteta was getting abuse for 2 seasons. 

But no we are CHELSEA, if a manager can't do it in one season with a whole new squad then he's rubbish! I blame the media. 😆 

Again mentioning Pep and Arteta they have nothing to do with Chelsea and there's no excuses for playing that badly twice against Servette doesn't matter who played.

11 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

Again mentioning Pep and Arteta they have nothing to do with Chelsea and there's no excuses for playing that badly twice against Servette doesn't matter who played.

I'm mentioning them for reference and for a bit of "grounding".

No manager can be winning trophies with a brand new squad in his first season and build something while at it. Not even the ones seen as the best in the Premier league.

What ppl are asking for is impossible. 

 

Don't the b team need minutes too, especially if stepping in due to injuries. I agree with you though, our b team is really left wanting. And now we have 3 in the nurses office...I hope whoever steps in gets time to gel with the rest but not many in that b team I think can.

2 hours ago, Simplymo said:

100%

Was it artetas second or 3rd season where he got a contract extension and most criticised arsenal saying that's brilliant news for the rest of us.

Pep took 2 or 3 seasons too iirc, and that was with the structure already in place as they were preparing everything for him before he arrived.

Just a bit of perspective is needed tbh. I honestly believe our owners tried to do too much and too quick. Getting things wrong too in the process. 

But if we can accept it will take us a couple of seasons once its all settled and be patient then we definitely have the talent needed to be up there.

No coach/manager can build something new and challenge in the first season. Not even pep! Especially with such young players. Youngest team in the Premier league!

I just think too many are falling for the insane media negativity and forgetting the rest too.

Come on its Chelsea. Even Lineker on MOTD a while back said something along the lines of "to say you like Chelsea is a bit too much but they did play some exciting football" Its still stuck in my head and he's a w**ker anyway. Lol

Journalists and pundits fall over each other to write something bad about Chelsea. That's unfortunately normal. 

 

Big difference here between us and them is we have completely overhauled the squad with either inexperienced or young players (or both) and we have changed the coach 15 times already. So the comparisons are partly right but mostly inaccurate. Regarding to Pep's City and Artetas Arsenal.

We are doing it differently. 

Back in the day we would just have kept the core and keep on buying already established players. Just like City, Arsenal and Liverpool are doing.

21 minutes ago, evissy said:

Big difference here between us and them is we have completely overhauled the squad with either inexperienced or young players (or both) and we have changed the coach 15 times already. So the comparisons are partly right but mostly inaccurate. Regarding to Pep's City and Artetas Arsenal.

We are doing it differently. 

Back in the day we would just have kept the core and keep on buying already established players. Just like City, Arsenal and Liverpool are doing.

Oh no, I agree with you. We have it even harder than the both of them. For pep it was literally laid out on a plate waiting for him to take charge. For arteta, they didn't change owners and all the staff from tea lady to the top execs. They also did it the proper way of replacing a few each seaaon. They both had it much easier and it still took them 3 ish seasons. I'm trying to say, forget the media bullsh*t and put things into perspective.

If clownlake were sensible then yes they definitely should have replaced 2 or 3 players every year till they have what they want but they didn't. They went too fast and too crazy. They somehow may have thought a blank page was a good place to start, I don't know, madness.

I really think we need to give maresca a season or 2 with a settled squad and ignore all the media bullsh*t.

3 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Nothing is going to change until they stop changing a third of the squad every season, and allow them to develop some collective experience, preferably with some stable management as well !

 

They can't help themselves I think and this is where we will continue to suffer.  

Stability is CRUCIAL  to progress but these idiots in charge will do the same thing in January or next summer again by changing half the squad.

They will freeze out players again and let the toxic environment continue.

13 hours ago, RMH said:

The problem is that I don’t see how they’re making money when they can’t shift most of the players they buy!

Oh come on, we made 10 quid profit on Washington, that's at least 5 quid after tax!

3rd seasons in a row with a new manager, with established players leaving or left out, and a host of new players in the team/squad.

Why should this season be any different to the last two?

Having said that, I actually see something that looks like it may well turn out better.

And, of course, 3rd time lucky!

 

2 hours ago, Simplymo said:

Oh no, I agree with you. We have it even harder than the both of them. For pep it was literally laid out on a plate waiting for him to take charge. For arteta, they didn't change owners and all the staff from tea lady to the top execs. They also did it the proper way of replacing a few each seaaon. They both had it much easier and it still took them 3 ish seasons. I'm trying to say, forget the media bullsh*t and put things into perspective.

If clownlake were sensible then yes they definitely should have replaced 2 or 3 players every year till they have what they want but they didn't. They went too fast and too crazy. They somehow may have thought a blank page was a good place to start, I don't know, madness.

I really think we need to give maresca a season or 2 with a settled squad and ignore all the media bullsh*t.

I think most of us long for some stability but that can only happen if we have the right coach and it is still very early days for Maresca.

I like to think he will be given time and have liked some of what I have seen so far, but if he has a bad run of results and performances, I expect he will go the same way as others before him.

 

2 hours ago, El regreso said:

They can't help themselves I think and this is where we will continue to suffer.  

Stability is CRUCIAL  to progress but these idiots in charge will do the same thing in January or next summer again by changing half the squad.

They will freeze out players again and let the toxic environment continue.

I think they have got to. Having put this amortization ball in motion, they have now snowballed it to a point where we have to keep actively trading players to offset the underlying cost of the process. All the time incomings are amortised and outgoings and booked in the year they will trade their way through on the basis that come the end of the process the overall asset value would have increased dramatically. Having no sporting acumen of course, means the they run the risk of screwing up the whole balance of the squad in the process.

5 hours ago, Simplymo said:

100%

Was it artetas second or 3rd season where he got a contract extension and most criticised arsenal saying that's brilliant news for the rest of us.

Pep took 2 or 3 seasons too iirc, and that was with the structure already in place as they were preparing everything for him before he arrived.

Just a bit of perspective is needed tbh. I honestly believe our owners tried to do too much and too quick. Getting things wrong too in the process. 

But if we can accept it will take us a couple of seasons once its all settled and be patient then we definitely have the talent needed to be up there.

No coach/manager can build something new and challenge in the first season. Not even pep! Especially with such young players. Youngest team in the Premier league!

I just think too many are falling for the insane media negativity and forgetting the rest too.

Come on its Chelsea. Even Lineker on MOTD a while back said something along the lines of "to say you like Chelsea is a bit too much but they did play some exciting football" Its still stuck in my head and he's a w**ker anyway. Lol

Journalists and pundits fall over each other to write something bad about Chelsea. That's unfortunately normal. 

 

Well said 

 

I don't think the media have really been negative towards us TBF.

There's much more negativity from Chelsea fans , some of it is well over the top, some of it on here

But, I think this season we are already seeing an exciting team starting to develop, it'll take time, and there will be inconsistencies along the way for sure.

Now is the time to get behind the players, the team, the manager.now that the season has begun,.. I'm not saying forget the mistakes of the owners, f**k them,  patience, and above all , support is important now

Come on you BLUES !

We need to see where we are 7-8 months time. I believe that is the right time to fully assess a manager and decide whether or not he has shown enough to really cut it at this football club. 

5 matches so far and only 1 good performance (admittedly that good performance could of turned chaotic real quick). 

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

 

I like to think he will be given time and have liked some of what I have seen so far, but if he has a bad run of results and performances, I expect he will go the same way as others before him.

 

Me too but unfortunately I agree with you and worry they will do the same thing without giving him the time he needs.

He's been here a minute and we have a system, not everyone likes, but at least we have one. He's improved some players and got on the case of others. Did he really know his actual squad members till the windows closed (some players may still go). And it's all during what the media call chaos.

I really hope the owners don't act in haste with him.

 

12 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Different managers, same statement. So who is given them the hymn sheet?

at least at the beginning Poch spoke about trophies only after he realised he cant get out more of them he started the "chelsea is different" BUT he never said those kind of results are "normal"!

5 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We need to see where we are 7-8 months time. I believe that is the right time to fully assess a manager and decide whether or not he has shown enough to really cut it at this football club. 

5 matches so far and only 1 good performance (admittedly that good performance could of turned chaotic real quick). 

Not sure I agree, I feel like we've been saying the "7-8 months assessment" for the past three seasons. IMO whether a manager will be good or not will be determined in the first three months regardless of results. Even if we are sh*t in the first three months, there should be signs that we are building something. I do like what we've seen from Maresca so far though, compared to our previous 3 managers he at least has a plan and identity on how he wants to play while our last few managers just threw players on the pitch to see what happened and we really didn't know what the identity was supposed to be. Let's see if he manages to implement this identity.