15 minutes ago, Ivanov87 said:

It's hilarious reading posts on redcafe who think he'll eventually come good and lead them to a title. The man is now officially past it. He's Wenger status now without the stability and calmness Wenger brings. 

To be fair, it's only a half season for him and compared to Chelsea, Manchester United is busier. I'll give him one full season. or two.

If you truly believe he's done, fair enough. I think most of those who say that only WANT to believe it at this point. I certainly hope he continues to fail but It's too early to say, especially since he's at a club that will be looking for every excuse to keep him and back him with an excessive amount of money

46 minutes ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

If you truly believe he's done, fair enough. I think most of those who say that only WANT to believe it at this point. I certainly hope he continues to fail but It's too early to say, especially since he's at a club that will be looking for every excuse to keep him and back him with an excessive amount of money

Their is a chance he could be successful next season but these two things will have to happen.

1. They spend big on two quality defenders, because as shown this season and last when Jose teams can't defend they are all at sea.

2. United board and fans forget about this romantic notion of Jose changing for them and playing the "United way" and just accept his style and try and get a title out of him.

What Jose has in his favour is a 100% title success rate in his second season, however at Porto, Chelsea both times and Inter he was by far the best manager in the league (Fergie was going through a somewhat transition phase as a manager back in 2005) and at Real he had Pep to beat. Next season he will have Pep, Conte, Klopp, Pochettino and maybe even god for bid Simeone at Arsenal to topple, all of which have inflicted some seriously embarrassing defeats on Jose in recent years which exposed his new found tactical inflexibility. Will he have a good enough record vs those managers plus a superior flat track record on them which will be required to win the title? Time will tell but id be amazed. Last season exposed Jose's long term ability as a manager is zero, if United don't win the league or CL next year then appointing Jose was pointless.

12 hours ago, Argo said:

Their is a chance he could be successful next season but these two things will have to happen.

1. They spend big on two quality defenders, because as shown this season and last when Jose teams can't defend they are all at sea.

2. United board and fans forget about this romantic notion of Jose changing for them and playing the "United way" and just accept his style and try and get a title out of him.

What Jose has in his favour is a 100% title success rate in his second season, however at Porto, Chelsea both times and Inter he was by far the best manager in the league (Fergie was going through a somewhat transition phase as a manager back in 2005) and at Real he had Pep to beat. Next season he will have Pep, Conte, Klopp, Pochettino and maybe even god for bid Simeone at Arsenal to topple, all of which have inflicted some seriously embarrassing defeats on Jose in recent years which exposed his new found tactical inflexibility. Will he have a good enough record vs those managers plus a superior flat track record on them which will be required to win the title? Time will tell but id be amazed. Last season exposed Jose's long term ability as a manager is zero, if United don't win the league or CL next year then appointing Jose was pointless.

If they win it in 2018~19 will it still be pointless? C'mon, he's not at Chelsea anymore. They are in what? 6th? The fans over on Redcafe are still behind him and see the football they are playing as an improvement over LVG.(baby steps) They are, for the most part, being patient. United's board/management have at least outwardly expressed support for him in every imaginable way. I'm sure, like us, United fans are buying into their own version of how they want things to go for them, just as some of us are buying into this idea that Jose is falling flat on his face and will be out of the job in 12 months because we would prefer to see that than him succeeding there. 

 

#1 and 2 are already happening. They've been linked with Lindehof, Van Djik, Rudiger and Sule just as we have. United don't have a limit to their transfer budget, I don't see any realistic scenario Jose doesn't spend at least 100m more over the next 2 windows. 

 

I want them and Jose to fail and fail again. If they get relegated, I'll throw a f*ckin party. But this is going to take a little while. Barring a very serious meltdown, Jose Mourinho will be the manager of Manchester United through next season and the foreseeable future. Whether or not he wins anything I have no idea but there is a very real possibility he wins a trophy this season. Would you then bet against him next season with 150m more in players and what we know about his usual 2nd seasons?

I'm sure I'm the minority here in that I'm not ready to crown Conte and I still consider Jose a top class manager. The old king is not dead, yet. 

^^ agree with everything but the last sentence. Conte may not win anything but he has showed he can overperform even with limited players. In that i now belive he can be special.

8 hours ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

If they win it in 2018~19 will it still be pointless? C'mon, he's not at Chelsea anymore. They are in what? 6th? The fans over on Redcafe are still behind him and see the football they are playing as an improvement over LVG.(baby steps) They are, for the most part, being patient. United's board/management have at least outwardly expressed support for him in every imaginable way. I'm sure, like us, United fans are buying into their own version of how they want things to go for them, just as some of us are buying into this idea that Jose is falling flat on his face and will be out of the job in 12 months because we would prefer to see that than him succeeding there. 

 

#1 and 2 are already happening. They've been linked with Lindehof, Van Djik, Rudiger and Sule just as we have. United don't have a limit to their transfer budget, I don't see any realistic scenario Jose doesn't spend at least 100m more over the next 2 windows. 

 

I want them and Jose to fail and fail again. If they get relegated, I'll throw a f*ckin party. But this is going to take a little while. Barring a very serious meltdown, Jose Mourinho will be the manager of Manchester United through next season and the foreseeable future. Whether or not he wins anything I have no idea but there is a very real possibility he wins a trophy this season. Would you then bet against him next season with 150m more in players and what we know about his usual 2nd seasons?

I'm sure I'm the minority here in that I'm not ready to crown Conte and I still consider Jose a top class manager. The old king is not dead, yet. 

He's dead inside, just bitter and miserable now. By season three the players will be knackered and hate him. He's not Chelsea anymore so f**k him and United.

On the football Thursday show, they showed Jose got 36/90 from his last 30 games, that's abysmal however we look at it, assume his 100 excuses are all valid. United won't overtake the 5 teams ahead of them to win the league.given the $ they have spent and will spend in January, that's a fail for Jose. If that don't get a win this weekend, they will be closer to mid table than top 4. I believe he knows it, that's why he's been picking strong teams for the cups. I reckon Jose will lead them to the EFL cup,  all will be forgotten that night and pride restored. He's only been there for like 4 months, how many players has he publicly criticised? He used to do that in the second or third season. He's still a quality manager that demands respect, but not the special one 10 years ago.

If Mourinho wins the Europa League (which I think is very likely) then it will have been a successful season. He would have delivered a trophy and gotten them back into the Champions League. If he does that aswell as winning a league cup then it will have been a terrific start to his United career even if there league position isn't top 4.

17 hours ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

If they win it in 2018~19 will it still be pointless? C'mon, he's not at Chelsea anymore. They are in what? 6th? The fans over on Redcafe are still behind him and see the football they are playing as an improvement over LVG.(baby steps) They are, for the most part, being patient. United's board/management have at least outwardly expressed support for him in every imaginable way. I'm sure, like us, United fans are buying into their own version of how they want things to go for them, just as some of us are buying into this idea that Jose is falling flat on his face and will be out of the job in 12 months because we would prefer to see that than him succeeding there. 

 

#1 and 2 are already happening. They've been linked with Lindehof, Van Djik, Rudiger and Sule just as we have. United don't have a limit to their transfer budget, I don't see any realistic scenario Jose doesn't spend at least 100m more over the next 2 windows. 

 

I want them and Jose to fail and fail again. If they get relegated, I'll throw a f*ckin party. But this is going to take a little while. Barring a very serious meltdown, Jose Mourinho will be the manager of Manchester United through next season and the foreseeable future. Whether or not he wins anything I have no idea but there is a very real possibility he wins a trophy this season. Would you then bet against him next season with 150m more in players and what we know about his usual 2nd seasons?

I'm sure I'm the minority here in that I'm not ready to crown Conte and I still consider Jose a top class manager. The old king is not dead, yet. 

United fans are stuck in this idea of managerial stability and giving them time, regardless of how good they are, there was absolutely no reason to be behind Moyes after a couple of months it was clear he was ruining them but a lot thought he would still succeed with time. Also the way they talk about the football reminds me of how Chelsea fans spoke about AVB displays, better than what was served up the previous season but could hardly be worse, technically progress but enough for the standards set at the respective clubs? Also Jose will get money but he also got money this summer, he got the best player of last season from 3 major leagues and the best young player from another and hasn't improved results, yes the style from the dull brand Louis served up, but that was bare minimum requirement. Im not totally ruling out him winning the league next season but no denying so far he's been tragic.

I also think his spell at United will go sour by the third season hence why i said it rests on what he achieves next year, he tried to come back here and build a dynasty and look what happened, he's an instant success man and argubaly the best in history at that but never going to be long term no matter how hard he wants it, his managerial strengths just don't suit it.

Edited December 9, 20169 yr by Argo

So there's a story that Jose sent the Chelsea players on a midnight bus journey at Midnight the night before the Spurs game. 

Strange story. 

9 minutes ago, JM7 said:

So there's a story that Jose sent the Chelsea players on a midnight bus journey at Midnight the night before the Spurs game. 

Strange story. 

Which Spurs game?  And what's the story?

The Spurs 2015 on New Years Day when we lost 5-3. 

Ah right - so was it some sort of new year's eve trip?!

Might not be true but if so it's abit strange.

I still don't think we were that bad in that Spurs game. We took the lead and we scored 3. Yeah we conceded 5 (which was shambolic) but on another day we'd have won that game. If we'd took our chances aswell we'd have been level at full time.

4 hours ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

Might not be true but if so it's abit strange.

I still don't think we were that bad in that Spurs game. We took the lead and we scored 3. Yeah we conceded 5 (which was shambolic) but on another day we'd have won that game. If we'd took our chances aswell we'd have been level at full time.

Bobby, your spin is admirable, but in truth it was a horrible match 

4 hours ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

Might not be true but if so it's abit strange.

I still don't think we were that bad in that Spurs game. We took the lead and we scored 3. Yeah we conceded 5 (which was shambolic) but on another day we'd have won that game. If we'd took our chances aswell we'd have been level at full time.

I still think that was one of Hazards best games for us. Him and Fabregas were brilliant at times. It's a shame the defence wasn't quite on the same level that day.

Jose Mourinho says it is "unfair" that Manchester United have collected fewer points in the Premier League and is adamant their rivals are not better than his side.

United are 13 points behind leaders Chelsea and nine adrift of Manchester City in fourth place after four draws in their last five games, but Mourinho says his side have deserved more with some outstanding defensive and goalkeeping displays denying them in recent weeks.
Tottenham are next to travel to Old Trafford as part of Super Sunday, live on Sky Sports 1 HD this weekend, but ahead of that Mourinho says there is no frustration on his part. He believes more wins will come and is happy with the "evolution" of his side so far this season.

"I find it unfair, I find that we should have much more points than we have because you look at the table and it looks like other teams are better than us which, in my opinion, is not true," he told Geoff Shreeves in an exclusive interview for Sky Sports News HQ.

"So many draws that we deserve victories. If you could transform these draws into victories we would be very close to the top of the league, in between the top three or top four so I find more unfair but there is only one way - keep working.

Man Utd have drawn four out of their last five in the Premier League
"I am very happy with the evolution of the team. I am very happy with the difference between the team I inherited and the team which is playing now and I keep saying the same: when you play very, very well you can expect good things to arrive so no frustration, just hope."

Mourinho said he is "totally convinced" that United will start converting draws into wins and believes that, in terms of style of football and how they set up, the team are ahead of schedule and are exceeding his initial expectations.

"In terms of the equality of our game and the organisation of our football I think we are above what I would expect," he said. "The evolution was really good.

"In terms of results I am used to different results. I am used to a different kind of profile as a team, the team that scores one goal and doesn't concede, the team that is very efficient and not in need of so much ball possession and control to have opportunities to score and score.

"I am just a bit disappointed with that because I see teams in the Premier League - they are not comparable to us in terms of the quality of their game and they have much more points than us."

Mourinho says he knows United supporters and owners are keen to see free-flowing and attacking football and the Portuguese is determined to provide that.

While United have been frustrated by teams on a number of occasions this season, he insists he is not worried because of how well the team have actually been playing.

Asked what aspects of his side's performances have pleased him most recently, he said: "The dominancy, the quality, the beauty of our football. The objective of our football. We are not a team that defends and waits for an opponent's mistake.

"I know [how] to build these teams, I did before. Being very pragmatic, that was not our choice. That is not something that Manchester United fans and owners want, that is not something I want for this project so we are going in a different direction and we are not going to change.

"I had teams with bad results and bad performances and it is much more difficult because you are not sure of what you want, you have doubts, you have lots of questions marks. You question yourself if it is the best way to follow and question yourself if there is change needed to try to play better because to play better brings you better results.

"In this case it is easier because there is no doubts. We play well, the organisation is good, the players are happy with the way we play, they believe in what we do so it is much easier and it is just a wait for a better moment and a better moment will come."

 

Poor old victim Jose. Maybe he's lining himself up for the Liverpool job. Sliding further down the managerial table into obscurity. 

Only Stoke and Burnley they played as well as Jose and the United fans are making out, and to counter their supposed bad luck in those games they were thrash vs Bournemouth and Swansea and were gifted 3 points in both, especially the Swansea game, half their players were basically playing for United that first half. Arsenal, WHU and Everton they were better on balance but that was more down to how crap those teams were on the day.

If this is true about a bus ride on NYE 2014, then I wonder what the logic was behind it.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/741492/Jose-Mourinho-Manchester-United-Chelsea-Tottenham-Premier-League-manager-defeat

4 minutes ago, Jezz said:

If this is true about a bus ride on NYE 2014, then I wonder what the logic was behind it.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/741492/Jose-Mourinho-Manchester-United-Chelsea-Tottenham-Premier-League-manager-defeat

I must be missing something, I don't get the story at all. Moudrinho let the players spend Christmas Eve with their families, and had everybody assemble at midnight to be put on a coach to the pre-match hotel. Is that it? That supposedly physically fit players missed out on a few hours of sleep? Not ideal preparation, admittedly, but to say it marked a turning point....As I said, I must be missing something.

Yes, it's a strange one. Unless a player involved reveals what really happened or it comes from Jose himself, this has to be taken with a grain of salt for the time being.

 

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Jose Mourinho is refusing to speak to Manchester United’s main in-house television reporter at MUTV.

I can reveal manager Mourinho has withdrawn co-operation for pre- and post-match interviews with presenter and commentator Stewart Gardner.

The Special One took exception to questions from Gardner following the 1-1 with West Ham at Old Trafford on November 27 – their fourth home draw in a sequence of disappointing Premier League results.

I understand Mourinho was unhappy with being quizzed on the club’s own TV channel about United’s stuttering league form and made his feelings known to Gardner and the club’s media team after the match.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/angry-jose-mourinho-stopped-talking-9431875

15 hours ago, Valerie said:

I must be missing something, I don't get the story at all. Moudrinho let the players spend Christmas Eve with their families, and had everybody assemble at midnight to be put on a coach to the pre-match hotel. Is that it? That supposedly physically fit players missed out on a few hours of sleep? Not ideal preparation, admittedly, but to say it marked a turning point....As I said, I must be missing something.

The article is a load of crap...conveniently forgets Jose beat Spurs just a few months later in Lge cup final and won title after leading for record amount of weeks in may that year too...while Spurs defeat did expose weaknesses in 4-2-3-1, to suggest it was the reason for Mourinho's decline is nonsense...clearly problems began at chelsea in summer transfer window of 2015 when he didn't get players he wanted and also saw Cech sold against his wishes to the Arse...throw in his bad decision to start pre-season late and players coming back with a questionable attitude - e.g. Costa - plus his stupid row with Eva, and you have more accurate reasons for his demise at chelsea...as for what's gone wrong for him at Utd, ridiculous to say that has anything to do with one game he lost as chelsea manager...

Edited December 11, 20169 yr by The Brit

Can definitely see Jose winning the EFL cup as they've only got to get past Hull. 

Then I reckon he'll go for the Europa league as they seem to be struggling in the league so far. 

United fans would be quite happy with that I think. 

Are there any decent teams in the Europa?