1 hour ago, 2211 said:

I need a goalkeeper to explain the thinking behind it to me as I just don’t understand it either.

Surely (in Kepa’s example) you’d get a stronger connection by going with his right hand?

I still prefer those keepers who move their feet first and then make shots look easy like the keepers you mentioned above.

I just wonder if all this Ballon D’or business makes keepers think they now have to make their highlight reels look more spectacular.

That’s one of the reasons I like Allison at Liverpool, he has no problem standing there catching the ball if that’s all it requires.

I can promise you no keeper thinks about this, certainly not Kepa lmao

He must had a chat with Lord Elrond. 

Long may his form continue, finally looking like the keeper we hoped for when he was brought in. 

Kepa redemption feels good. With the way Potter plays and what he demands from his GK, I think Mendy is truly finished at Chelsea. Rightly so.

On 24/10/2022 at 21:39, WhiteWall said:

I don't think this is correct actually. By going with the top arm, it extends the reach because of the shoulder extension. Also it is easier to push the ball  away from the goal if your body angle is above the ball  rather than coming from under the ball.

I don't think it is for theatrical effect, I think its the way they are all taught nowadays. 

If Kepa was guilty of anything, and it really is splitting hairs, he could have been quicker and moved his feet a little quicker to improve his starting position before pushing off into his dive.

Sorry, I'm scratching my head with that logic!!

When I left work today, I sat in my car and reached across to the passenger side and touched the window with my left finger tips. I tried doing a Kepa and went with my right hand and got just about past the gear stick - nowhere near the window! It baffles me why when a shot is going top bins, you would use the opposite hand to what is natural and has a better chance of getting to the ball and Kepa already has a disadvantage due to his lack of height for a keeper. For me it's akin to a defender showing a winger down the touchline and then trying to slide tackle him with the wrong leg. Madness..................!

 

 

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

Sorry, I'm scratching my head with that logic!!

When I left work today, I sat in my car and reached across to the passenger side and touched the window with my left finger tips. I tried doing a Kepa and went with my right hand and got just about past the gear stick - nowhere near the window! It baffles me why when a shot is going top bins, you would use the opposite hand to what is natural and has a better chance of getting to the ball and Kepa already has a disadvantage due to his lack of height for a keeper. For me it's akin to a defender showing a winger down the touchline and then trying to slide tackle him with the wrong leg. Madness..................!

 

 

Now imagine instead of touching your left window, your car roof was raised. With your body in the exact same position as before, which hand reaches the roof easier? Not every shot to left will be horizontal and not every keeper has a great leap on them to compensate. Add to this that a shorter keeper like Kepa is likely to have a relatively more horizontal body position when diving compared to Mendy (on a stretch). So for shots somewhere near the crossbar it's sensible to go with opposite hand on occasion. 

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

Sorry, I'm scratching my head with that logic!!

When I left work today, I sat in my car and reached across to the passenger side and touched the window with my left finger tips. I tried doing a Kepa and went with my right hand and got just about past the gear stick - nowhere near the window! It baffles me why when a shot is going top bins, you would use the opposite hand to what is natural and has a better chance of getting to the ball and Kepa already has a disadvantage due to his lack of height for a keeper. For me it's akin to a defender showing a winger down the touchline and then trying to slide tackle him with the wrong leg. Madness..................!

 

 

Because you roll your shoulders during the dive which you can do to extend that "wrong arm". Going with the traditional arm in some instances it wont be possible to extend further because of lateral forces. I don't know why myself, but I do know all the keepers are trained that way from academy level onwards. Of course there are other contributing factors such as where the ball is heading towards, the power of the strike and the trajectory of the flight, but there are a lot of articles about it such as the biomechanics of goalkeeping dives

Edited October 26, 20223 yr by WhiteWall

15 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Because you roll your shoulders during the dive which you can do to extend that "wrong arm". Going with the traditional arm in some instances it wont be possible to extend further because of lateral forces. I don't know why myself, but I do know all the keepers are trained that way from academy level onwards. Of course there are other contributing factors such as where the ball is heading towards, the power of the strike and the trajectory of the flight, but there are a lot of articles about it such as the biomechanics of goalkeeping dives

I also think it has to be the way he has been training his whole life but the whole physics of what makes him have a higher reach should also go all the way down to his feet, I look at the goal again and I can't help to feel that he didn't jump much at all.

The talk of trying to use different hand to make a save look spectacular, that reminds me of one time I was driving and remembered that some racing drivers would use their right foot to brake and accelerate.

The road is completely dead, I was the only one there, I thought f*ck it, give it a go. I put my right foot on brake and my brain couldn’t quite work it out and I ended up doing an emergency stop! I felt like a right clown!

edit: Actually it was left foot on brake, as we’d normally use right foot!

Edited October 27, 20223 yr by dansubrosa

23 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

The talk of trying to use different hand to make a save look spectacular, that reminds me of one time I was driving and remembered that some racing drivers would use their right foot to brake and accelerate.

The road is completely dead, I was the only one there, I thought f*ck it, give it a go. I put my right foot on brake and my brain couldn’t quite work it out and I ended up doing an emergency stop! I felt like a right clown!

edit: Actually it was left foot on brake, as we’d normally use right foot!

At least you managed to do an emergency stop. Mendy caused some accidents in matches since AFCON.

2 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

The talk of trying to use different hand to make a save look spectacular, that reminds me of one time I was driving and remembered that some racing drivers would use their right foot to brake and accelerate.

The road is completely dead, I was the only one there, I thought f*ck it, give it a go. I put my right foot on brake and my brain couldn’t quite work it out and I ended up doing an emergency stop! I felt like a right clown!

edit: Actually it was left foot on brake, as we’d normally use right foot!

This was very confusing up until the edit. 

21 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Because you roll your shoulders during the dive which you can do to extend that "wrong arm". Going with the traditional arm in some instances it wont be possible to extend further because of lateral forces. I don't know why myself, but I do know all the keepers are trained that way from academy level onwards. Of course there are other contributing factors such as where the ball is heading towards, the power of the strike and the trajectory of the flight, but there are a lot of articles about it such as the biomechanics of goalkeeping dives

 

I never was any good at physics at school!!

Would still rather my keeper be proper "old school" and use the correct hand. I think if a shot is central or only a bit to the right or left, I can see the logic for using the other arm and hand, as the momentum will also help get more on a clearance. And I think keepers get so used to doing this, so even when a ball is heading for the top corner, they still try it - wrongly IMO!

 

 

28 minutes ago, Nibs said:

 

I never was any good at physics at school!!

Would still rather my keeper be proper "old school" and use the correct hand. I think if a shot is central or only a bit to the right or left, I can see the logic for using the other arm and hand, as the momentum will also help get more on a clearance. And I think keepers get so used to doing this, so even when a ball is heading for the top corner, they still try it - wrongly IMO!

 

 

The thing is as well, they are all trained in this way and have been for a number of years. My lad is 30 now and although he got close never made it as a pro. So he was in the academy system from 20 years back and they were all coached this way then.  Similarly with the punching rather than catching. We all used to think punching was a continental thing and was a sign of dodgy goalkeeping. They are coached this way as there is less chance of making an error. If a catch is made and it is dropped there is more chance of scoring rather than a mistimed or badly aimed punch.

 

He's just a feet short than ideal, unless he's got a good jump, he's always going to struggle with those shots going to the top part of the goal.

1 hour ago, icecoolguy22 said:

He's just a feet short than ideal, unless he's got a good jump, he's always going to struggle with those shots going to the top part of the goal.

@Valeriewill back me up on this.

We have seen two amazing keepers at the club since Roman's takeover. Cech and Tibo were/are undoubtedly world class.

Lot of talk about Kepas height. Now before Roman bought the club our number 1 was a certain Carlo Cudicini, who happens to be the exact same height as Kepa, 6 foot 1 inch. His height did not stop him being a top, top keeper for us. 

If Kepa really focuses, works hard and dedicates himself to perfecting his craft the way Thiago Silva does, then his height will stop being an issue for him.

It's interesting that the club web site now lists Kepa's height as 189cm (6'2") which seems on the generous side to me, unless part of his training at Cobham now involves a rack LOL.

Historically he's only been 186cm. Not short, but short for a modern goalkeeper (going back in time, Banks and Shilton were both shorter than that at 185/183).

189cm would mean he is taller than Jan Oblak. England keeper Pickford, who also does well in save % stats, is only 185cm ...

For me, rather than his height, his problem is that he doesn’t jump very well. It could be his technique or that he’s not got strong enough legs to gain jumping momentum. Ronaldo is a freak of nature but look at how high he can jump. He trained it with weights on his ankles (as far as I remember). Can Kepa improve his jump? If he did, he’d improve massively in set pieces.

4 minutes ago, RMH said:

For me, rather than his height, his problem is that he doesn’t jump very well. It could be his technique or that he’s not got strong enough legs to gain jumping momentum. Ronaldo is a freak of nature but look at how high he can jump. He trained it with weights on his ankles (as far as I remember). Can Kepa improve his jump? If he did, he’d improve massively in set pieces.

I think you're right.

Does he also perhaps have relatively short arms for his height ?  

3 hours ago, RMH said:

For me, rather than his height, his problem is that he doesn’t jump very well. It could be his technique or that he’s not got strong enough legs to gain jumping momentum. Ronaldo is a freak of nature but look at how high he can jump. He trained it with weights on his ankles (as far as I remember). Can Kepa improve his jump? If he did, he’d improve massively in set pieces.

Very True. The comparison to Carlo is a good one because what Carlo lacked in height he made up for with spring. I remember Kasey Keller years back, wasn't brilliant by any stretch of the imagination but got away with a lot because when he dived it was like he was on a trampoline, he could get his knees up by his chest.

If Kepa lacks height and natural spring he can still make up for it with speed of foot movement. As i used to banter my lad whenever he talked about great diving saves he'd made, if your feet were quicker you could have caught it rather than dive !  

If he is on teh front foot and dynamic across his line is lack of height shouldn't be an issue and his technique will do the rest.

What he does seem to have eliminated from his game is the spillages and holes in the chest when shots were sent straight down his throat.

 

Our most important player for a while now. Glad to see him thriving.

Kepa got picked for the WC ahead of De Gea after playing like 2 matches haha

5 hours ago, RMH said:

For me, rather than his height, his problem is that he doesn’t jump very well. It could be his technique or that he’s not got strong enough legs to gain jumping momentum. Ronaldo is a freak of nature but look at how high he can jump. He trained it with weights on his ankles (as far as I remember). Can Kepa improve his jump? If he did, he’d improve massively in set pieces.

David Speedie knew how to jump and he was about 4ft

1 hour ago, sonic90 said:

Kepa got picked for the WC ahead of De Gea after playing like 2 matches haha

He has been left out for the same reason Porter has persisted with Kepa as his goalie, his poor distribution. Enrique wants his goalies to start the play.

Personally would look to move on Mendy in the summer if there are any takers, at 30 probably the last chance to do so. Diogo Costa, 23 at Porto with brilliant distribution, and a ridiculous pen stop with a €51m release clause is who I will be targeting.

52 minutes ago, ducavis said:

He has been left out for the same reason Porter has persisted with Kepa as his goalie, his poor distribution. Enrique wants his goalies to start the play.

Personally would look to move on Mendy in the summer if there are any takers, at 30 probably the last chance to do so. Diogo Costa, 23 at Porto with brilliant distribution, and a ridiculous pen stop with a €51m release clause is who I will be targeting.

According to wikipedia Diogo Costa is the same height as Kepa.

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

According to wikipedia Diogo Costa is the same height as Kepa.

Think Kepa just has short arms, no? Ala Pickford. 

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Think Kepa just has short arms, no? Ala Pickford. 

Yeah.. 

 

7 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

According to wikipedia Diogo Costa is the same height as Kepa.

makes up for it with good shot stopping, long ball passing and penalties saves. Saved 5 pens already this CL campaign, & has an assist to boot. Spurs & Utd are interested also.