When you have five players at the same position, things like this give the coach an easy out. But pathetic offensive displays can be the result. Just sayin'.

Quite right, it's like last season when Tuchel spent six months pretending that Abraham was injured.

The sooner we have a full squad the better. Really miss watching Christian play after scoring in the first prem game I thought he might kick on but, as per usual he got injured. 

I keep saying him and Romelu would make a devastating combo, we've seen Puli put in sime good balls for target men like Giroud and play well with other inside forwards I think his dynamism is missing right now from the team. He's got everything we need when he's on song, dribbling, the ability to finish and also chance creation which is sorely lacking right now.

3 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

The sooner we have a full squad the better. Really miss watching Christian play after scoring in the first prem game I thought he might kick on but, as per usual he got injured. 

I keep saying him and Romelu would make a devastating combo, we've seen Puli put in sime good balls for target men like Giroud and play well with other inside forwards I think his dynamism is missing right now from the team. He's got everything we need when he's on song, dribbling, the ability to finish and also chance creation which is sorely lacking right now.

He even made Batman look good 👍

20 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

The sooner we have a full squad the better. Really miss watching Christian play after scoring in the first prem game I thought he might kick on but, as per usual he got injured. 

I keep saying him and Romelu would make a devastating combo, we've seen Puli put in sime good balls for target men like Giroud and play well with other inside forwards I think his dynamism is missing right now from the team. He's got everything we need when he's on song, dribbling, the ability to finish and also chance creation which is sorely lacking right now.

I totally agree that this should be a good thing for both CP and RL.  What position do you think CP should be playing with the back 3?  I can't really decide what I think would be best.  He seems to me and most of us on here to be a LW, but LWB, I'm not sure, with his propensity to get knocked off the ball. 

6 hours ago, DumbYank said:

I totally agree that this should be a good thing for both CP and RL.  What position do you think CP should be playing with the back 3?  I can't really decide what I think would be best.  He seems to me and most of us on here to be a LW, but LWB, I'm not sure, with his propensity to get knocked off the ball. 

LW is by far his best spot. 

On 26/09/2021 at 16:13, axman2526 said:

He even made Batman look good 👍

 

They were pretty decent together at Dortmund.

On 26/09/2021 at 12:29, LongtimerLurker said:

The sooner we have a full squad the better. Really miss watching Christian play after scoring in the first prem game I thought he might kick on but, as per usual he got injured. 

I keep saying him and Romelu would make a devastating combo, we've seen Puli put in sime good balls for target men like Giroud and play well with other inside forwards I think his dynamism is missing right now from the team. He's got everything we need when he's on song, dribbling, the ability to finish and also chance creation which is sorely lacking right now.

 

It would definitely be interesting to see Christian and Rom get a few games together. 

With Rom occupying the center and drawing in the CBs, it gives players like Christian a bit more room to work on the outside. 

 

On 25/09/2021 at 10:14, USATim said:

Being told one is injured and one actually being injured are two different things. 

 

I am also a USA and Pulisic supporter, but I have to disagree here.

If Christian was fit and ready, I am sure TT would be delighted to have him as an option off the bench. Especially against City a few days ago when you're chasing the game.

 

4 minutes ago, haviet1 said:

 

I am also a USA and Pulisic supporter, but I have to disagree here.

If Christian was fit and ready, I am sure TT would be delighted to have him as an option off the bench. Especially against City a few days ago when you're chasing the game.

 

We will see. I think Tuchel has a huge issue with trying to keep five players happy who play the same position. A lot easier to choose players when one can be kept out of the equation because of the excuse of lack of match fitness or not ready yet. Again, a ten day injury forecast is now moving toward day 21. Will be anxious to see if Berhalter has Pulisic included in his roster for the USMNT Wednesday. Me thinks he will;)

Maybe we need to stop sending Pulisic to the USA to avoid him getting injured in meaningless games

If he's not fit  to get into the team this week, shouldn't get going anywhere during the International break.

57 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

If he's not fit  to get into the team this week, shouldn't get going anywhere during the International break.

Agreed. And if he is fit enough to travel and play for the US, he should be active for Chelsea. It will be working both ways. 

2 hours ago, USATim said:

Agreed. And if he is fit enough to travel and play for the US, he should be active for Chelsea. It will be working both ways. 

Fit enough to travel and play is still a very different scenario to 100% fit, just because he is the USA's best player doesnt mean he is at full tilt with match fitness, so lets assume, as he is training, he is able to play but at 70-80% fitness, he then comes back at 40% fitness puts his full recovery back by another 2 months would you still say he is being punished by TT? Look at the situation that Torres had back at Liverpool constantly played by RB as he was their best and only striker, never had the chance to get back to 100% fitness and was basically crocked for the rest of his career at 27.

37 minutes ago, Bonzodog29 said:

Fit enough to travel and play is still a very different scenario to 100% fit, just because he is the USA's best player doesnt mean he is at full tilt with match fitness, so lets assume, as he is training, he is able to play but at 70-80% fitness, he then comes back at 40% fitness puts his full recovery back by another 2 months would you still say he is being punished by TT? Look at the situation that Torres had back at Liverpool constantly played by RB as he was their best and only striker, never had the chance to get back to 100% fitness and was basically crocked for the rest of his career at 27.

Again, we will see. If the player is training at full speed, then it is all about conditioning for fitness. If he is running full speed, cutting, stopping and starting, it no longer is an ankle issue. I find it incredible that a Chelsea-reported 10 day injury window has taken 21 days and the lad still might not be ready to go Wednesday. Weird situation.

20 hours ago, USATim said:

LW is by far his best spot. 

But when you have a back 3 there is not a LW.

8 hours ago, USATim said:

Again, we will see. If the player is training at full speed, then it is all about conditioning for fitness. If he is running full speed, cutting, stopping and starting, it no longer is an ankle issue. I find it incredible that a Chelsea-reported 10 day injury window has taken 21 days and the lad still might not be ready to go Wednesday. Weird situation.

The 10 days were probably forecast as normal return date and they forgot to factor in that it was Pulisic.

Pulli-SICK : a player who shows glimpses of true attacking talent but when the going gets tough he always unfortunately gets injured. 

A big fan of the in form player but lbh it's his 3rd full season with us now and it's very apparent he's gonna be on the treatment table more than the pitch............stick or twist?  

8 hours ago, General said:

Pulli-SICK : a player who shows glimpses of true attacking talent but when the going gets tough he always unfortunately gets injured. 

A big fan of the in form player but lbh it's his 3rd full season with us now and it's very apparent he's gonna be on the treatment table more than the pitch............stick or twist?  

This one is a tough one.  If we twist I fear another Salah/De Bruyne situation.  Knowing our luck, he stays fit and returns to post lockdown form in Lamps first season with someone else.  Robben was made of glass until he went to Bayern.  Used to frustrate me seeing him play so well when he could have been still with us.  To my mind my favourite players to watch are wingers on song but TT system not really set up for a winger.  So to answer the question, a reluctant twist next season if no improvement in fitness or a proper fit in the team.....

16 hours ago, DumbYank said:

But when you have a back 3 there is not a LW.

And there in lies the problem. 

We're stacked with attacking options but a lot of them are struggling to adapt their game to suit it. 

CHO, Pulisic and Ziyech have prodominently played in systems where they play wider and generally cut inside onto their stronger foot. 

The way we're setting up at the moment they have to play a lot more central and none of them have looked particularly good under Tuchel. 

So it is that they need to adapt or raise their game? Or does Tuchel need to consider making changes to get more out of his attacking players? 

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

And there in lies the problem. 

We're stacked with attacking options but a lot of them are struggling to adapt their game to suit it. 

CHO, Pulisic and Ziyech have prodominently played in systems where they play wider and generally cut inside onto their stronger foot. 

The way we're setting up at the moment they have to play a lot more central and none of them have looked particularly good under Tuchel. 

So it is that they need to adapt or raise their game? Or does Tuchel need to consider making changes to get more out of his attacking players? 

I suggested in the Tuchel topic that maybe he should try to play 433 from time to time to accommodate these players and play to their strengths, as we have no real wingbacks other than Alonso and Ziyech and CHO are not used to play more centrally. But not many were happy with the suggestion, and you did not think that 343 was at fault as it is a very flexible 343. What kind of changes do you think that Tuchel could make to get out of them their best performance?

26 minutes ago, RMH said:

I suggested in the Tuchel topic that maybe he should try to play 433 from time to time to accommodate these players and play to their strengths, as we have no real wingbacks other than Alonso and Ziyech and CHO are not used to play more centrally. But not many were happy with the suggestion, and you did not think that 343 was at fault as it is a very flexible 343. What kind of changes do you think that Tuchel could make to get out of them their best performance?

I don't know what the answer is but the evidence is mounting that our attacking players are struggling to be effective in Tuchel's system. Very rarely we score 2 or more goals in a game. 

In the 30 games Tuchel oversaw last season we scored 37 goals (including a 4-1 win against Palace) failing to score in 7 of those games. 

So coming into this season Tuchel would have known that socring goals was the biggest problem he needed to address, which is why we've signed Lukaku. 

But despite Lukaku's decent goal scoring start to the season those players around him still look well off the pace. 

I just don't know if the players are the problem or the system. Minus the Manchester City game results have been good this season but the quality of football for the most part hasn't been great with our defenders looking our best players to date. 

I just wonder if Tuchel needs to try changing things up a bit in how the attackers are asked to approach our games to try and get more out of them. 

3 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

I don't know what the answer is but the evidence is mounting that our attacking players are struggling to be effective in Tuchel's system. Very rarely we score 2 or more goals in a game. 

In the 30 games Tuchel oversaw last season we scored 37 goals (including a 4-1 win against Palace) failing to score in 7 of those games. 

So coming into this season Tuchel would have known that socring goals was the biggest problem he needed to address, which is why we've signed Lukaku. 

But despite Lukaku's decent goal scoring start to the season those players around him still look well off the pace. 

I just don't know if the players are the problem or the system. Minus the Manchester City game results have been good this season but the quality of football for the most part hasn't been great with our defenders looking our best players to date. 

I just wonder if Tuchel needs to try changing things up a bit in how the attackers are asked to approach our games to try and get more out of them. 

To me, it is no coincidence the same group of defenders under Lampard now look so good in a more defensively sound system.  Don't get me wrong, Tuchel has got more out of these players, but the system also contributes.  The offset is attacking players are struggling (and were under Lampard).  It just is exacerbated now when we constantly field 8 or 9 defensively minded players that all prefer to play their football in our half.  We are asking too much of 2 or 3 attacking players. 

9 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

And there in lies the problem. 

We're stacked with attacking options but a lot of them are struggling to adapt their game to suit it. 

CHO, Pulisic and Ziyech have prodominently played in systems where they play wider and generally cut inside onto their stronger foot. 

The way we're setting up at the moment they have to play a lot more central and none of them have looked particularly good under Tuchel. 

So it is that they need to adapt or raise their game? Or does Tuchel need to consider making changes to get more out of his attacking players? 

man it is hard to argue against what TT has done so far.  Champs.  One loss on nil to MC without Mount.  

 

But yeah, I'm a DUMB YANK and want to see our little Puli in there so I can take a can of Busch Light out of my fanny pack and celebrate American exceptionalism.  

7 hours ago, RMH said:

I suggested in the Tuchel topic that maybe he should try to play 433 from time to time to accommodate these players and play to their strengths, as we have no real wingbacks other than Alonso and Ziyech and CHO are not used to play more centrally. But not many were happy with the suggestion, and you did not think that 343 was at fault as it is a very flexible 343. What kind of changes do you think that Tuchel could make to get out of them their best performance?

James should be pretty suited to wingback shouldn't he?