I think for most, their negativity is founded on objectivity.

@Zetapresented a stat (not sure what thread) that shows we are on course for relegation if the form we've had for near a year persists.

It's not about drama, facts don't care about your feelings.

People are getting disenchanted and it's no wonder. I'm very rational and positive but looked at the fixture list this afternoon to see who we are playing in cup (shows my level of interest these days) and first thought that came to my mind was, that's our cup run over before it even starts then.

And that's us paired against Brighton. Yes they are playing very well but f**k me, they are still Brighton and Chelsea of just 2 years ago should never be in a position where any of its fans looks at that match up and isn't confident of getting a win barring any surprises which football can throw your way every now and then.

4 hours ago, abister1 said:

I think for most, their negativity is founded on objectivity.

@Zetapresented a stat (not sure what thread) that shows we are on course for relegation if the form we've had for near a year persists.

It's not about drama, facts don't care about your feelings.

People are getting disenchanted and it's no wonder. I'm very rational and positive but looked at the fixture list this afternoon to see who we are playing in cup (shows my level of interest these days) and first thought that came to my mind was, that's our cup run over before it even starts then.

And that's us paired against Brighton. Yes they are playing very well but f**k me, they are still Brighton and Chelsea of just 2 years ago should never be in a position where any of its fans looks at that match up and isn't confident of getting a win barring any surprises which football can throw your way every now and then.

I honestly don't know what some fans are expecting. They are living in a fantasy world if they think anybody is going to be positive about the way things have gone since last year.

Club was in limbo, didn't even know if it would exist for much longer.

New owners come in and rip apart everything we had been building over the past 25 years.

We have an potential points deduction hanging over our heads.

On the pitch, it's been a years worth of horrible performances and results that will almost certainly put us in a relegation fight if it continues.

I'm not going to fake positivity.

The Elon Musk(s) of football.

The usual when it comes to rich people - assuming they are competent and have power over their fellow man as opposed to the random chance and zero graft which led to them being rich.

@moi A willy-shrinker if you will!

Get Jackson in touch with that floppy-haired c**t Boehly - I can only assume that he has suffered many a wrist injury.

Of course we wouldn't know that because he is sub-human and opposes universal healthcare.

 

A hundred and fifteen million more
Perhaps you wouldn't stay on the floor
Another hundred to make you care?
Fifty in insurance to make you dare
Oh wait - we gave away the store

I try to summarize what I think the club needs: it needs to anger and frustrate us fans. If they succumb to the vocal side of us they are not doing the due diligence nor keeping hold of the plan that looks to be in place.

For the club it would be easier to just find quick fixes. I don't think we need easy. We need a long term plan and fierce will to hold onto it. Pochettino is key part of this plan and looks to be the right person for it.

I feel the apparent plan is sound and we should just implement it no matter how loud the noises from us or media is. We can't be that stupid that if Gary Neville says something about us we actually listen to him. He is an outsider. He knows nothing about us. 

If we lose and us fans boo. Take it in and hold onto the plan. 

Boehly sacked our groundsman and his son.

Has anyone noticed the state of our pitch lately ?

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

Boehly sacked our groundsman and his son.

Has anyone noticed the state of our pitch lately ?

Pitch has been terrible for a few seasons, I know it's in to blame everything on Boehly but this is a stretch.

On 27/09/2023 at 15:35, dkw said:

This forum is now basically getting an influx of the same f**kwits you see on social media who are desperate to prove how amazing a fan they are by hating everything about he club to a ridiculous extreme. Its impossible to discuss actual football or anything to do with the club sensibly as it just falls into the same routine of hatred and negativity, anyone daring to not falling this miserable rhetoric is immediately pounced on by the miseries....

Yep - it is a sorry state of affairs. People who allegedly support a club - without liking anything about it, or getting behind it.

Said it before, but will say it again. The tiktok brigade, with their need for insta gratification to blame for the toxic nature that regularly follows us. 

Nobody has any patience anymore. They see long term planning as 3 or 4 months. It is madness and it has to stop.

We have been one of the best clubs over the last 20 years - and because of the current, and (in the grand scheme) still shorterm slump - many are throwing their toys out of the pram. 

If this malaise goes on for another 2-3 years, then we can conclude that the project is not fit for purpose and is a failure. Until then, I wish the short term charlies on here would stfu and start actually supporting the club.

 

26 minutes ago, dkw said:

Pitch has been terrible for a few seasons, I know it's in to blame everything on Boehly but this is a stretch.

I'm blaming Boehly for your reply.

😂

On 27/09/2023 at 12:35, dkw said:

This forum is now basically getting an influx of the same f**kwits you see on social media who are desperate to prove how amazing a fan they are by hating everything about he club to a ridiculous extreme. Its impossible to discuss actual football or anything to do with the club sensibly as it just falls into the same routine of hatred and negativity, anyone daring to not falling this miserable rhetoric is immediately pounced on by the miseries....

I experienced the sh*t times- 75- 84. No one likes seeing their team loose, and attendances dropped, but what got us through was fan power. We were so crap we used to laugh at ourselves. The Shed was still rocking- used to listen to the FA Cup Draw on the radio, thinking you never know, rub of the green and we’ll end up at Wembley- even though we were at the wrong end of Division 2. We were a sh*t team with the best fans. Nowadays fans are coming out with “ No chance of winning the Premiership. Suppose we’ll have to be grateful with the odd cup win”

The atmosphere at The Bridge has been going downhill for a very long while. I go on a when it suits me basis-mates with season tickets who’ve been going for decades..someone drops out, or they don’t want to go to all the games etc and I’m in.

We have a beer before and after the game, but during the 90 minutes they’re no craic-sh*t atmosphere-? no banter- no ironic songs- the only thing to focus on is the game. 

So the only selling product is the football itself.? Unlike Leeds, Forest, Palace etc who have fan culture going for them. 

When results go wrong, as of now,, they’re no black humour/ fan culture to fall back on. Without the success our fan base has become accustomed, The here and now is pure misery.

 

 

Prolonged Success has made The Bridge Soulness

Bundles of chimney pots, South London, West London, Home Counties. Full of young CFC fans. Willing to step in when the glory hunters depart. The way forward is relegation 

22 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

wish the short term charlies on here would stfu and start actually supporting the club.

My man, a year ago roles were reversed and you wanted a successfull manager to be sacked on the back of a "shortterm slump" as you called it.

Which is fair enough but its a bit laughable for you guys to be raging against the negativity when you lads were literally the negative nellies just a year ago. And back then when you had no ends of complaints we were MUCH better than we've been the last 12 months.

Take a moral standpoint all you want but you aren't any better than the rest of us.

Edited October 1, 20232 yr by OriginalS

6 hours ago, OriginalS said:

My man, a year ago roles were reversed and you wanted a successfull manager to be sacked on the back of a "shortterm slump" as you called it.

Which is fair enough but its a bit laughable for you guys to be raging against the negativity when you lads were literally the negative nellies just a year ago. And back then when you had no ends of complaints we were MUCH better than we've been the last 12 months.

Take a moral standpoint all you want but you aren't any better than the rest of us.

No - I wanted Tuchel gone because:

a) he had not shown any inclination to move away from the slow and stagnant, sideways football that we had been playing for ages.

b) under his watch, and with his sign-off, we failed to build on the Champions League win, and went backward - putting in over the hill has beens, the likes of Lukaku and Auba, and persisting with the the likes of Jorginho and Azpi.

c) he (TT himself) hit the self destruct button. According to many in the knows he was reluctant on the project (shift to youth), he didnt want to be part of transfer talks or regular check in's/discussions with the owners, and was increasingly combustible. The furore over his personal life - which has even gone to court and been subject to an injuction to stop the details getting out would support his (lack of) state of mind at the time.

 

Those are the reasons I thought it was time for TT to go.  I stand by that and have been consistent for years, long before tuchel arrived, on our need for a hard reset. I am glad we are getting that now - it was long overdue.

27 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

No - I wanted Tuchel gone because:

a) he had not shown any inclination to move away from the slow and stagnant, sideways football that we had been playing for ages.

b) under his watch, and with his sign-off, we failed to build on the Champions League win, and went backward - putting in over the hill has beens, the likes of Lukaku and Auba, and persisting with the the likes of Jorginho and Azpi.

c) he (TT himself) hit the self destruct button. According to many in the knows he was reluctant on the project (shift to youth), he didnt want to be part of transfer talks or regular check in's/discussions with the owners, and was increasingly combustible. The furore over his personal life - which has even gone to court and been subject to an injuction to stop the details getting out would support his (lack of) state of mind at the time.

 

Those are the reasons I thought it was time for TT to go.  I stand by that and have been consistent for years, long before tuchel arrived, on our need for a hard reset. I am glad we are getting that now - it was long overdue.

That's fine. I respect your view and your subjective opinion on that.

But like you had some strong opinions on Tuchel, others have such strong opinions on the ownership/directors/Potter and the direction they feel they are taking the club in. And when you decided you had enough of Tuchel you didn't exactly "stfu" as you clearly expect others to do. You don't think I or others could come up with a 3 point list of why they have been absolute disasters? Bloody 30 point list wouldn't be a problem. It's hypocritical and that was my point.

I even partially agree with some of your points. It's when you and a few others take a holier-than-thou approach it becomes stupid.

Edited October 1, 20232 yr by OriginalS

4 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

That's fine. I respect your view and your subjective opinion on that.

But like you had some strong opinions on Tuchel, others have such strong opinions on the ownership/directors/Potter and the direction they feel they are taking the club in. And when you decided you had enough of Tuchel you didn't exactly "stfu" as you clearly expect others to do. You don't think I or others could come up with a 3 point list of why they have been absolute disasters? Bloody 30 point list wouldn't be a problem. It's hypocritical and that was my point.

I even partially agree with some of your points. It's when you and a few others take a holier-than-thou approach it becomes stupid.

It would be hypercritical if poch had been playing around with this project for 2 years ...but he hasnt.  It would be hypercritical if Tuchel had been given a very inexperienced squad and I got on his back after 3 months ... but he wasnt. The situations are different.

We can all make a list of what is wrong with the team at the moment - but the point is that it is too early to make such a list. It needs time.

If in 2 years, we dont look any closer to a team, then THAT will be the time to start voicing concerns. For now -we need to unite, and get behind the team, let the young squad have space to grow, make mistakes and learn. It is what it is.

8 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

It would be hypercritical if poch had been playing around with this project for 2 years ...but he hasnt.  It would be hypercritical if Tuchel had been given a very inexperienced squad and I got on his back after 3 months ... but he wasnt. The situations are different.

We can all make a list of what is wrong with the team at the moment - but the point is that it is too early to make such a list. It needs time.

If in 2 years, we dont look any closer to a team, then THAT will be the time to start voicing concerns. For now -we need to unite, and get behind the team, let the young squad have space to grow, make mistakes and learn. It is what it is.

We'll agree to disagree here. You are a poster one can actually debate with so i'll give you that but I can't agree with it.

Generally I don't think anyone would have had many issues with a long-term approach of there was anything to suggest it may work. Perhaps (hopefully) something happens soon that turn it around but it baffles me that there is little understanding of frustrations boiling over when we have literally been the worst 1-2 teams in the league for 12 months. Unless a human-nature change in supporters were part of the long term plan here no one can be surprised there's been a lot of reactions.

Now lets beat Fulham tomorrow and kickstart this thing.

Edited October 1, 20232 yr by OriginalS

On 30/09/2023 at 18:42, Fruit Bat said:

I experienced the sh*t times- 75- 84. No one likes seeing their team loose, and attendances dropped, but what got us through was fan power. We were so crap we used to laugh at ourselves. The Shed was still rocking- used to listen to the FA Cup Draw on the radio, thinking you never know, rub of the green and we’ll end up at Wembley- even though we were at the wrong end of Division 2. We were a sh*t team with the best fans. Nowadays fans are coming out with “ No chance of winning the Premiership. Suppose we’ll have to be grateful with the odd cup win”

The atmosphere at The Bridge has been going downhill for a very long while. I go on a when it suits me basis-mates with season tickets who’ve been going for decades..someone drops out, or they don’t want to go to all the games etc and I’m in.

We have a beer before and after the game, but during the 90 minutes they’re no craic-sh*t atmosphere-? no banter- no ironic songs- the only thing to focus on is the game. 

So the only selling product is the football itself.? Unlike Leeds, Forest, Palace etc who have fan culture going for them. 

When results go wrong, as of now,, they’re no black humour/ fan culture to fall back on. Without the success our fan base has become accustomed, The here and now is pure misery.

 

 

My first full season 78/79 didn’t hear any calls for managers out and we had two that season with relegation.
 

We’ll support you evermore!! Was always heard. The big difference now is there is a big disconnect between supporters and players not only with relationships but the vast amount of money being earned. It’s ok when things are going well but it’s an issue when on a run of bad results or a player who isn’t performing. I think this issue wasn’t around years ago.

 

11 minutes ago, Richard P said:

My first full season 78/79 didn’t hear any calls for managers out and we had two that season with relegation.
 

 

 

Glory hunter😂

if this is true then our transfer strategy is beyond awful. 

 

2 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

if this is true then our transfer strategy is beyond awful. 

 

As is the insane injury toll. Perspective.

19 minutes ago, dermott said:

As is the insane injury toll. Perspective.

So you believe we are a real top 4 contender without injury? 

Just now, Bob stark said:

So you believe we are a real top 4 contender without injury? 

Yes.

23 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

So you believe we are a real top 4 contender without injury? 

To ever think we were a top 4 contender with the revolution that has taken place is naive. Effectively a new squad, new manager. Top half is more realistic. Without injury we would likely be there. FFS, if we had taken the goal chances we've had - Jackson alone has missed a minimum of 4 - we would be there even with injuries.