3 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

That argument about how many times someone watched a player is so weak it hurts to read it so many times, stop repeating what you saw others wrote please it doesn't make it any less of a bad argument...

Yeah I only watched Morata once, it was vs Stoke, wonderful player scored a hat trick.  Can't believe we got rid of him. 

11 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

Yeah I only watched Morata once, it was vs Stoke, wonderful player scored a hat trick.  Can't believe we got rid of him. 

I'm kind of serious here, even if I didn't regularly pay much attention to Chilwell and Reguilon it doesn't take more than an hour of my time to shape a real opinion of them just by googling around...It's irrelevant what I didn't know a month ago if I know a lot today.

I actually knew that Morata spent much of his career coming from the bench and at the time I supported Conte because he knew Morata and if he thought that Morata had what it takes to become the first choice striker and to lead the attack then so be it.

It just wasn't meant to be but at the time we needed a new striker, it's not the same comparison but there is no doubt that Chilwell and Reguilon are simply far better than what we have right now, I'm convinced that either of them (and as a result both of them in a package as well) are an improvement for us and make our team better.

If there is someone that still thinks that Alonso and Emerson are just as good as Chilwell and Reguilon that's another issue and a whole different kind of a problematic stance to take.

PS. Would I be happy if we signed Reguilon with a buy-back price of lets say 50m? No. I prefer a longer term solution because Marcelo maybe has only 1 more season left in him at the biggest stage in Real Madrid.

Edited August 24, 20205 yr by Gol15

6 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I'm kind of serious here, even if I didn't regularly pay much attention to Chilwell and Reguilon it doesn't take more than an hour of my time to shape a real opinion of them just by googling around...It's irrelevant what I didn't know a month ago if I know a lot today.

I actually knew that Morata spent much of his career coming from the bench and at the time I supported Conte because he knew Morata and if he thought that Morata had what it takes to become the first choice striker and to lead the attack then so be it.

It just wasn't meant to be but at the time we needed a new striker, it's not the same comparison but there is no doubt that Chilwell and Reguilon are simply far better than what we have right now, I'm convinced that either of them (and as a result both of them in a package as well) are an improvement for us and make our team better.

If there is someone that still thinks that Alonso and Emerson are just as good as Chilwell and Reguilon that's another issue and a whole different kind of a problematic stance to take.

PS. Would I be happy if we signed Reguilon with a buy-back price of lets say 50m? No. I prefer a longer term solution because Marcelo maybe has only 1 more season left in him at the biggest stage in Real Madrid.

But let's not forget, the buy-back option is only activated if we want to sell him or his contract runs out...can't see the argument here...

Edited August 24, 20205 yr by doctorblue

3 minutes ago, doctorblue said:

But let's not forget, the buy-back option is only activated if we want to sell him or his contract runs out...can't see the argument here...

I have to admit that I didn't see it that way, my mind automatically went for the scenario where Real Madrid just decides to make a phone call and he runs back to them... 

43 minutes ago, doctorblue said:

But let's not forget, the buy-back option is only activated if we want to sell him or his contract runs out...can't see the argument here...

If theres a buy back clause, its out of our hands. If he wanted to go, madrid would just pay the fee in the contract.

13 minutes ago, big blue said:

If theres a buy back clause, its out of our hands. If he wanted to go, madrid would just pay the fee in the contract.

I must admit I didn't think it worked like that. I thought a bit like Ake, if we got into a situation where it worked to sell, they would have first option at the buy back price regardless of what he might be worth then.

8 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I must admit I didn't think it worked like that. I thought a bit like Ake, if we got into a situation where it worked to sell, they would have first option at the buy back price regardless of what he might be worth then.

We couldve signed ake back at any point. We just didnt rate him. 

I dont think those sort of deals work with a club of our size, if reguilon reached the levels we hoped when we signed him, he could just head back to Madrid for under market value, and leave us needing a new left back again.

Madrid also activate these clauses fairly regularly, sometimes just to make a profit. 

3 hours ago, DarkMata said:

Yeah I only watched Morata once, it was vs Stoke, wonderful player scored a hat trick.  Can't believe we got rid of him. 

Remember coming back from Stoke that evening thinking Drogba, Costa, now we had Morata!! 

4 hours ago, Gol15 said:

That argument about how many times someone watched a player is so weak it hurts to read it so many times, stop repeating what you saw others wrote please it doesn't make it any less of a bad argument...

trust me pal, people are a lot more fed up of reading your posts on this forum. Looking at the likes plenty agree with me.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

trust me pal, people are a lot more fed up of reading your posts on this forum. Looking at the likes plenty agree with me.

I already solved your whole argument regardless, pal 

Please can we get Reguilon over Chilwell. I'm all for a real English player to join CFC, but don't think he is as good as Reguilon or Tagliafico. Far better and cheaper options out there.

8 minutes ago, KaiHakimTimo said:

Please can we get Reguilon over Chilwell. I'm all for a real English player to join CFC, but don't think he is as good as Reguilon or Tagliafico. Far better and cheaper options out there.

A real English player? as opposed to a fake one?

4 minutes ago, kennypaul said:

A real English player? as opposed to a fake one?

Yeah like Owen Hargreaves

15 hours ago, DarkMata said:

£50 million is most likely.  I’m guessing the £80 million is there to make it look like a worse deal than it is and add a more negative slant?  

 

It's not negative slant, you as i dont know how much he will cost. For a long time the sum was up to 80mill now recently around 50mill but maybe there will be addons too. Idk. 

But fair enough with your reply if we get him i of course want him to be good i never said he is sh*t (i know you didn't accuse me of that) only as i stated before the price tag warrants a certain expectation from me. 

 

Edited August 25, 20205 yr by Nevamind

Update on Ben Chilwell and Chelsea. £50m deal agreed with #lcfc and Chelsea have no long-term concerns with the heel injury, so the move should be completed in the next 3 days. Chilwell will sign a five-year contract

 

Percy @ Telegraph

Edited August 25, 20205 yr by doctorblue

1 hour ago, doctorblue said:

Update on Ben Chilwell and Chelsea. £50m deal agreed with #lcfc and Chelsea have no long-term concerns with the heel injury, so the move should be completed in the next 3 days. Chilwell will sign a five-year contract

 

Percy @ Telegraph

what was looking to be one of our best transfer windows in 15 years has now been soiled a bit by this stinker

16 minutes ago, driller97 said:

what was looking to be one of our best transfer windows in 15 years has now been soiled a bit by this stinker

Bloody hell he's not that bad, he's not even bad. 

He was a part of a team with the 5th best defence in the league and a team that finished 5th (would have been better but for injuries and Rodgers negativity), he was an important part of it also and we missed him when he was out. He's got a lot of positives about his game, my one major issues being a poor decision or a poor cross when in a great position, but honestly that's something that can be worked on and with a better set of players around him, he'll have far more options, and the pressure won't be on to find a perfect ball to one person in the box. 

I think I saw a few people saying he's not quick enough, I don't know what planet they are on. He's one of our quicker players and pace has never, ever been an issue for anyone here. He's able to get past players with ease and can run all day. 

When he first broke into the team he made some silly errors and would play dangerous balls across the box and stuff like that. But he's cut that out and seems to learn from his mistakes. 

He's a good player that I think we'll miss as an individual. But the money can probably be used to strengthen several areas and improve the team, just like the Maguire and Mahrez money did. 

Put it this way... is he better than the left backs at Arsenal, Man U, Man City, Spurs. Yes he is. 

2 minutes ago, foxedup said:

Bloody hell he's not that bad, he's not even bad. 

He was a part of a team with the 5th best defence in the league and a team that finished 5th (would have been better but for injuries and Rodgers negativity), he was an important part of it also and we missed him when he was out. He's got a lot of positives about his game, my one major issues being a poor decision or a poor cross when in a great position, but honestly that's something that can be worked on and with a better set of players around him, he'll have far more options, and the pressure won't be on to find a perfect ball to one person in the box. 

I think I saw a few people saying he's not quick enough, I don't know what planet they are on. He's one of our quicker players and pace has never, ever been an issue for anyone here. He's able to get past players with ease and can run all day. 

When he first broke into the team he made some silly errors and would play dangerous balls across the box and stuff like that. But he's cut that out and seems to learn from his mistakes. 

He's a good player that I think we'll miss as an individual. But the money can probably be used to strengthen several areas and improve the team, just like the Maguire and Mahrez money did. 

Put it this way... is he better than the left backs at Arsenal, Man U, Man City, Spurs. Yes he is. 

My main gripe with this is the price. He's definitely got pace and he's pretty good going forward but he's not great defensively either. We already have Alonso who is one of the best in the world at LB when going forward, but he can't defend!

I wanted a LB that was better on the defensive side and Chilwell simply isn't that. But if we are making other signings in the backline like Silva coming in, then this deal won't be as bad as we are still improving.

Jury's still out though, i'm not going to write it off before he's even played for us, but if he doesn't improve from what we've seen of him in the 2nd half of the season, then it'll be a disappointment.

4 minutes ago, driller97 said:

My main gripe with this is the price. He's definitely got pace and he's pretty good going forward but he's not great defensively either. We already have Alonso who is one of the best in the world at LB when going forward, but he can't defend!

I wanted a LB that was better on the defensive side and Chilwell simply isn't that. But if we are making other signings in the backline like Silva coming in, then this deal won't be as bad as we are still improving.

Jury's still out though, i'm not going to write it off before he's even played for us, but if he doesn't improve from what we've seen of him in the 2nd half of the season, then it'll be a disappointment.

Second half of the season he was awful.... but.... our entire team was utter dog muck the second half of the season. Now, they aren't all bad players, we just couldn't get out of a slump.

He's prone to the odd lapse, but I really don't think there is that much of an issue defensively. In terms of issues we had in our team, Chilwell's defensive issues would barely register on my list.

He's had to deal with working next to Maguire and Soyuncu, who quite honestly probably make more errors than Chilwell ever does and are prone to going walkabout. He also played with Barnes in front of him all season, who is a lad playing his first full season in the top leagues and would leave him exposed... they also never really gelled. 

As for the price... he's English, you can put £20m on a young English players price for that fact alone. For a young English left back with a huge amount of promise and room to grow, it's probably standard when buying from the premier league. 

Price is the least of my concerns. We already messed up big time with Kepa, Morata, Drinkwater and Bakayoko the last 2-3 years. So another flop won't hurt us financially. Obviously we can take big blows. 

What I'm worried about is his quality. This guy has 12 months of good, not extraordinary, good performance for a club that overachieved. Also the risks with English players is the attention they bring on the team. If they fail they will be crucified, CFC as well. See how nobody cares about the Morata, Kepa, Baka flops. If Ben fails it will be 10+ times worse. 

I can already smell the questions like "Why is CHO not playing", "Doesn't Tammy deserve more chances after the good debut season", "Is RLC interesting in leaving Chelsea" etc.. add Chilwell in the equation and I would not want to be in Frank's chair for the upcoming press conferences. This is type of question he'll have to answer even if we make winning streaks. 

Edited August 25, 20205 yr by Droopy

We basically have to trust the club with him. The price and the displays he gave after the break were far off being aligned. I have to admit I haven't seen enough of him. My fear is we sign a defender who can't defend. Going forward he looks good, he has the legs anyway to bomb up and down the flank.

Maybe Thiago Silva is the key here. If he can organize the defence and the new keeper catches some crosses we might be good in that department.

8 minutes ago, Droopy said:

Price is the least of my concerns. We already messed up big time with Kepa, Morata, Drinkwater and Bakayoko the last 2-3 years. So another flop won't hurt us financially. Obviously we can take big blows. 

What I'm worried about is his quality. This guy has 12 months of good, not extraordinary, good performance for a club that overachieved. Also the risks with English players is the attention they bring on the team. If they fail they will be crucified, CFC as well. See how nobody cares about the Morata, Kepa, Baka flops. If Ben fails it will be 10+ times worse. 

I can already smell the questions like "Why is CHO not playing", "Doesn't Tammy deserve more chances after the good debut season", "Is RLC interesting in leaving Chelsea" etc.. add Chilwell in the equation and I would not want to be in Frank's chair for the upcoming press conferences. This is type of question he'll have to answer even if we make winning streaks. 

Well that's utter nonsense. 

15 minutes ago, evissy said:

We basically have to trust the club with him. The price and the displays he gave after the break were far off being aligned. I have to admit I haven't seen enough of him. My fear is we sign a defender who can't defend. Going forward he looks good, he has the legs anyway to bomb up and down the flank.

Maybe Thiago Silva is the key here. If he can organize the defence and the new keeper catches some crosses we might be good in that department.

Sadly I think we will need to wait for the next window to truly fix all our defensive issues as we can't just buy an entire backline in one go.

Not sure whats happening with the keeper situation, but maybe Kepa would actually have some confidence when he has Silva in front of him instead of Rudiger so we might be able to stretch another year and then go all out for Oblak and Gimenez when we have more funds available to us. Lets be honest, after this window, we won't need to strengthen the attack/midfield much at all so we can focus 100% on the defence/GK

Edited August 25, 20205 yr by driller97

Anyone thinking he's being signed off the back of a single season, that says more about your ability to see players outside of the usual elite clubs than it does Chilwell. 

Liverpool wanted to spend £10m on him before he'd even kicked a football for our first team Arsenal also had bids turned down. He was head and shoulders above other players in the youth ranks and has been tracked for years by clubs. His loan at Huddersfield saw their fans and pundits rave about him in the championship, and he then made the step up for us to become a first team regular for three seasons. Clearly being one of our most talented young prospects, and one of our better players even at a young age. He cemented himself as first choice left back for England on the back of his performances and before struggling to get over an injury and in a team where everyone was suffering from a crisis of confidence, he'd started the season once again as one of our better players. 

It's a move that's been five years in the making and he's been building up to. If you think people haven't been tracking him and seeing his progression for a long time, then you are wrong. If you didn't sign him, he'd probably be moving to Man city or Man United within the next 12 months. 

Yeah he's not the finished article, but this isn't a rush transfer off the back of a short period of good play. 

Edited August 25, 20205 yr by foxedup

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