2 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

The performances haven't.

I firmly believe that it will take a long time and lots of ups and downs along the way if we are to move forward and get away from the short term thinking that has seen the squad get so rotten over the last few years. 

Our performances in the end ended TT were awful. They are not currently worse than that. 

You said results or performance.

And you're taking this from a sample size of about 7 games under Tuchel? Potter has had about 26 games in charge and we've looked worse in most of them games. We can barely even score a goal, what is it now 4 goals in 15 games or something ridiculous like that? And the Tottenham game was probably our best performance this season. 

1 minute ago, nonotnowjim said:

Our performances in the end ended TT were awful. They are not currently worse than that. 

While this is in the eye of the beholder, I would say that under tuchel in general we created more and defended better. 

We definitely struggled after the sanctions were imposed but I don't think their impact should be underestimated. And while we started the season in indifferent form, he was trying to integrate the new players into the side and IMO there was no real need to panic. 

Since his sacking I don't think we've come close to playing as well as we did in the cup final or even vs spurs at home this season (even though both of those were draws). There I felt we were still looking at one of the best five or six sides in Europe. I'd have loved to have seen him get the patience Potter has. But it's done now. 

10 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Was Arteta this bad at Arsenal in the early days?

Given the cup you'd have to say no overall but in the league he absolutely was, probably worse. 

11 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Was Arteta this bad at Arsenal in the early days?

Totally irrelevant. 

Absolutely dreadful.

Horrendous appointment.

Anyone else noticed that everyone, including new signings are getting progressively worse? Mudryk was fantastic on his debut when he could just play on instict. Absolute dogsh*t since Potter have had a chance to "coach" him. Enzo too, great start but getting worse every game and today even Badiashile was a mess.

Not to mention Mount, Sterling, Gallagher and the others he got to a long, long time ago.

Hopefully that is what does him in, in the end. Especially with the new signings, the owners can't like that.

What an absolute fraud. £12 million a year for this crap, never seen anything like it.

Edited February 18, 20233 yr by OriginalS

Regardless of the consensus on here it looks like the owners will at least give Potter this season. I am sure the atmosphere will get more toxic if results don't improve, but so far the board seem to be determined to stand behind their decision.

18 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Was Arteta this bad at Arsenal in the early days?

He was to begin with. He had 1 win in 8 league games to begin with, but he won 8 of the remaining 13 league games and 6 in the FA cup which he won. I see no chance of that happening under Potter. I genuinely can't see where we get our next win from. See, if Potter at least managed to show that kind of progress, I would give him a chance, but he can't even get us scoring a goal. It's getting to the point where we need the game to be 0-0 to take anything from the game. As bad as Arteta was at times in his first season and a half with Arsenal, at least they could still grab some wins, score goals and show there was something there to build on. I see none of that with Potter, he's only making us worse. We just keep sinking lower and lower.

Edited February 18, 20233 yr by Scott Harris

This is a massive test of the owners belief in Potter and their strategy. Do they have the courage to stick with him and see it out? 
 

Personally I think they will. I don’t believe they will remove Potter before the summer. All they’ve talked about is long term. 
 

Either way, today was a turning point for the fans in the stadium. Atmosphere was apparently toxic, lots of anti Potter chants. The players clearly aren’t inspired or motivated by him. I won’t say hes lost the dressing room but we can all see when a team isn’t playing for a manager, it’s so obvious. Today was obvious. 

Just now, OriginalS said:

Anyone else noticed that everyone, including new signings are getting progressively worse? Mudryk was fantastic on his debut when he could just play on instict. Absolute dogsh*t since Potter have had a chance to "coach" him. Enzo too, great start but getting worse every game and today even Badiashile was a mess.

Not to mention Mount, Sterling, Gallagher and the others he got to a long, long time ago.

Hopefully that is what does him in, in the end. Especially with the new signings, the owners can't like that.

What an absolute fraud.

It's why I would like a new manager in asap who's got a clue about what he's doing, to instill some confidence and get something going for next season.

I don't get this "we've got nothing to lose so let him see the season out" bollocks. We could've done that with Frank two seasons ago and we would never have won the trophies we've won now. 

Not saying we're going to win a Champions League again, but it's important to get these players on some track and not let the season go to utter waste and into a possible relegation battle, there's still something to salvage. It's horrific seeing the likes of Mudryk without a goal or assist, or Enzo getting left in no mans land, what is this going to do for their confidence? 

1 minute ago, Victor90 said:

It's why I would like a new manager in asap who's got a clue about what he's doing, to instill some confidence and get something going for next season.

I don't get this "we've got nothing to lose so let him see the season out" bollocks. We could've done that with Frank two seasons ago and we would never have won the trophies we've won now. 

Not saying we're going to win a Champions League again, but it's important to get these players on some track and not let the season go to utter waste and into a possible relegation battle, there's still something to salvage. It's horrific seeing the likes of Mudryk without a goal or assist, or Enzo getting left in no mans land, what is this going to do for their confidence? 

In no way are Boehly/Egbahli/Vivell not working on a contingency plan. But as far as manager availability goes, there is no one we can bring in right now so it'll have to be interim. 

Flick could be a candidate over the summer but he will likely want to do the Euros. Not to mention his history with falling out with the Sporting Director. 

Poch is a bottler that I hope we stay well away from. 

There's that manager from Frankfurt who is just another Potter. 

Then, there's that bloke from River Plate. Promising but a huge gamble. 

I'm really struggling to remember a performance this bad maybe 30 years ago under Porterfield. I maybe be wrong but I get the impression that Boehly thought because Potter was talked about taking over from Southgate that this was some kind of huge recommendation and his lack of football knowledge meant he appointed Potter on a huge contract. 

I've been saying for weeks that soon as the crowd turn on him en masse then his days are numbered lose heavily to Spurs next week and that's or should be the final straw. 

5 minutes ago, g3.7 said:

While this is in the eye of the beholder, I would say that under tuchel in general we created more and defended better. 

We definitely struggled after the sanctions were imposed but I don't think their impact should be underestimated. And while we started the season in indifferent form, he was trying to integrate the new players into the side and IMO there was no real need to panic. 

Since his sacking I don't think we've come close to playing as well as we did in the cup final or even vs spurs at home this season (even though both of those were draws). There I felt we were still looking at one of the best five or six sides in Europe. I'd have loved to have seen him get the patience Potter has. But it's done now. 

It can’t be underestimated just how much change the club has endured in the past 12 months. The sheer number of new players coming in totally upsets the dressing room dynamics. Add to this the number of changes at Cobham plus the team management, it’s like a new club. Potter himself looks to be trying to please all with the constant changes of lineup, if he is to keep his job I hope he decides on a settled eleven with only the bare amount of rotation and see if we improve. I do think think though this result should be a defeat too far.

7 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Regardless of the consensus on here it looks like the owners will at least give Potter this season. I am sure the atmosphere will get more toxic if results don't improve, but so far the board seem to be determined to stand behind their decision.

If Potter is still here by Monday I'll just assume he has Todd Boehly's nudes at that point (which is probably how he got the job in the first place)

1 minute ago, bluehaze said:

I've been saying for weeks that soon as the crowd turn on him en masse then his days are numbered lose heavily to Spurs next week and that's or should be the final straw. 

I'd bring out the banner that was made for Tuchel back in April for Leeds even if we somehow fluked a win v Tottenham.

That should get the point across to the owners...

21 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

A third of our points this season have come under Tuchel

The Potterista will use the same argument like the Pochettitties at PSG. Tuchel dug him such a big hole it was just too much to overcome. Five points behind first, three points behind the CL places already AND only six points from relegation. At the end of the year Potter had the team seven points clear of relegation, so he improved on Tuchel´s performance. 

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

In no way are Boehly/Egbahli/Vivell not working on a contingency plan. But as far as manager availability goes, there is no one we can bring in right now so it'll have to be interim. 

Flick could be a candidate over the summer but he will likely want to do the Euros. Not to mention his history with falling out with the Sporting Director. 

Poch is a bottler that I hope we stay well away from. 

There's that manager from Frankfurt who is just another Potter. 

Then, there's that bloke from River Plate. Promising but a huge gamble. 

Even guys like Poch, who I usually wouldn't be in favour of, are far better options than Graham Potter

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

In no way are Boehly/Egbahli/Vivell not working on a contingency plan. But as far as manager availability goes, there is no one we can bring in right now so it'll have to be interim. 

Flick could be a candidate over the summer but he will likely want to do the Euros. Not to mention his history with falling out with the Sporting Director. 

Poch is a bottler that I hope we stay well away from. 

There's that manager from Frankfurt who is just another Potter. 

Then, there's that bloke from River Plate. Promising but a huge gamble. 

Could we not get Flick as even an interim? Or Enrique? I was half hoping Carlo would get the sack or something so we can poach him for a bit but that's wishful thinking.

Zidane might be interested if we give him a similar contract that we gave Tuchel when we first appointed him. And I'm no big fan of Poch either but I would definitely swap him for Potter right now if I could and we very likely could. 

Whatever decision they end up making, I don't envy them. If they stick with Potter and results don't improve, fans will continue turning on the team and the atmosphere is going to get toxic during our games. They fire Potter and they are going to get ridiculed by the media for not following along with their "project" and people like Nevile are going to go on about American owners not knowing anything about football etc. They are really going to have to come up with some really good PR regardless of what decision they make. Wouldn't be surprised if Potter gets thrown under the bus should they sack him.

7 minutes ago, Argo said:

Given the cup you'd have to say no overall but in the league he absolutely was, probably worse. 

There is no way he was worse. Results back that up. 

Potter's first 17 league games in charge = 5 wins, 6 draws and 6 defeats. 16 goals scored and 14 conceded.

Arteta's first 17 league games in charge = 7 wins, 7 draws, and 3 defeats. 24 goals scored and 15 goals conceded.

As bad as Arteta was to begin with, Potter has proven himself to be even worse. Everything backs that up to this point.

He has to go and the owners should be in contact as we speak with potential replacements. Don’t give out silly long term contracts for a coach. It’s not how football works anymore. You reward them if they have success with further extensions. 

I doubt we can go buying out managers from clubs with FFP. So we have to go for someone who’s out of a job.

 

6 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

In no way are Boehly/Egbahli/Vivell not working on a contingency plan. But as far as manager availability goes, there is no one we can bring in right now so it'll have to be interim. 

Flick could be a candidate over the summer but he will likely want to do the Euros. Not to mention his history with falling out with the Sporting Director. 

Poch is a bottler that I hope we stay well away from. 

There's that manager from Frankfurt who is just another Potter. 

Then, there's that bloke from River Plate. Promising but a huge gamble. 

I don't want Pochettino but I'd blame the culture at Tottenham more than him.

The fact they're Jose's only trophyless job and likely to be the one big job Conte wins nothing at says it all.

Apparently Potter said in his Presser, "i'm not the problem", not really sure what that implies,?, so it must be the players fault.........Thats Sacking talk 

Edited February 18, 20233 yr by Ballack & Blu

Just now, Victor90 said:

Could we not get Flick as even an interim? Or Enrique? I was half hoping Carlo would get the sack or something so we can poach him for a bit but that's wishful thinking.

Zidane might be interested if we give him a similar contract that we gave Tuchel when we first appointed him. And I'm no big fan of Poch either but I would definitely swap him for Potter right now if I could and we very likely could. 

Enrique is a possibility as interim. 

 

Whoever gave Potter his coaching license needs to be arrested for fraud as well